Anybody can learn technique, and learn how to throw a punch, not so much talking about them, but the heavy handed people, the one hitter quitter knockout artists.
Imo, punchers are born. Of course they learned proper technique(for the most part) and that helps, but i think they were born with the ability and were naturally drawn to punching. Disagree?
Personally, i feel like i was born a puncher. Ive always punched hard, power way above my weight, with both fists. With that said, ive been training/hitting a heavy bag since i was a young lad. I learned how to sit down on my punches and punch through a target, but still, i consider myself a natural born puncher.
Thoughts?
Born. But I also believe heavy hitting can be farmed. The tendency for those who choose to "load up" on their punches can create a bottom layer to their fundamental striking technique. I believe hand speed can be farmed as well based on the same principle. How the muscles and tendons are tutored plays a major role in how they function.
Additionally, not all punchers have lethal force in all their shots, but they do have the ability to (again) "load up" on certain stuff. Power punching or being a puncher generally represents the application of one single concentrated blow delivered with all available energy, critical timing, and appropriate mechanics.
I think it has a lot to do with how a kid chooses to step to the heavy bag when he's first getting started. Most trainers will try and steer them away from loading up on their shots. The rest is foreordained.
Muscles dont have to show to create this power. You have minor muscles and you have reflexes and technique.
Your body type also defined by your environment from diet and training from a young age. The puncher is created in the gym.
There is no way Foreman would be a puncher without a boxing gym.
Bradley could be made into a puncher if he chose too, but thats not his "style".
Saying punchers are "born" is just boxing fable stories to tell non-boxing fans in the pub or bar. It makes you sound clever, reality is the science proves you wrong.
NOOO God did not create you MORE powerful than any other man/woman!
this whole post is wrong, man. very wrong. i'd be shocked if you've ever even been to a boxing match or gym.
Muscles dont have to show to create this power. You have minor muscles and you have reflexes and technique.
Your body type also defined by your environment from diet and training from a young age. The puncher is created in the gym.
There is no way Foreman would be a puncher without a boxing gym.
Bradley could be made into a puncher if he chose too, but thats not his "style".
Saying punchers are "born" is just boxing fable stories to tell non-boxing fans in the pub or bar. It makes you sound clever, reality is the science proves you wrong.
NOOO God did not create you MORE powerful than any other man/woman!QUOTE]
bullshiat...
bro don't be so hard headed....
how often did mike tyson fight someone his size? most of the people he fought looked like giants compared to him, taller, more mass, just plain old bigger guys, he used to get punched and not be fazed, but how was it that he was able to knock people out with one punch?
It has to be genetics. Just like anyone can pitch, but not anyone can throw a 100mph fastball. There's guys who have decent power and through training/experience become much stronger punchers (Martinez comes to mind as a recent example). Everynow and then though you'll see a seemingly light puncher harness it for a night and knock the f uck out of someone so it could be mindset related as well..especially considering some hard punchers seemingly pull their punches in exchange for speed/not setting their feet. I think there's a lot of variables in physiology too... It's no secret Pac's power comes from his mutant legs, Bundrage is brute strength, Nonito, Bute and Martinez get a lot of leverage (almost like a coil, you can see it from their entire body that the punch is potent) so I think its a combination of things when I think of it that way. Bailey seems to be a case of genetics though... I mean he just throws a punch and it looks as if his hand must weigh a ton with the reaction the opponent has. Like his hand is made of steel or somethin lol
Similar to Lucas M. His punches look pretty dam average when it comes to speed, snap etc but when he does catch people you only have to look at their faces to see how much it hurts. I think you are born to hit hard but you can increase what you have with good training and teaching.
How can you be "born" a puncher? when all children are more of less born the same. Its the predisposition of ones environment that will change there body and mindset. This could affect diet and therefore muscle growth. This is an adaptive change therefore you are NOT born with this trait.
Bull****.
It's gentics man some kids are smarter then other some are faster then others some are strong so on and do fourth. That's like saying if joe frazier and and Roy jones did the exact same things in life and ate exactly the same Frazier would be as physically gifted as jones...or vice versa
Punchers are born, but of course you still have to train to reach your potential.
It dont matter how hard some train, you just arent going to be able to punch like Bruce lee, or Mike Tyson.
Both. Punchers are genetically gifted with a certain ratio of slow/fast twitch muscle fibers. It also works the same way for guys who are fast or with some others who have great endurance, it depends a lot on genetics.
However genetics are just a "potential" that can be developed, so for example if a guy who's genetically a puncher decides to become a runner, he won't develop his power the same way as a guy who starts training boxing since he's a little kid.
punchers are born with the talent, but they develop it and are conditioned under a trainer for years
you'll never turn paulie maglinaggi into a hard puncher
julian jackson hit hard when he walked into the gym
it's just how it is.
This........
I have a mixed opinion on this. First, the only thing genetics will give you is either a heavier hand than someone else, or fast twitch muscles. I have never really been a hard puncher to be honest and I have smaller ***** hands basically kind of too haha. However, I have fast reflexes and I am very fast for my size, I am 6'3" 215 pounds and can throw pretty fast combos. By learning technique and turning my punches over, I have been able to clip people and drop them. It is sometimes about placement too....temple, sweet spot on the chin, etc. I would agree though it is a lot to do with genetics. I think us guys with smaller hands have to make up for it with speed to generate any kind of power. I know guys though that have big ass hands/knuckles that can just pop you easily and drop you or hurt you. Obviously it also depends on who is taking the shot too you know? It is interesting though because you sometimes see skinny guys who are not heavy handed who just drop and KO people. I guess the mystery continues....
I think fighters are born with whatever they excel at in terms of boxing. Usually you'll go into a gym, go through some drills, the trainer will see the way you move, your body type, how hard you hit, how fast you are, etc. and tailor your style around that. It's not like you can just turn David Tua into a slick fighter. So yes, I'd definitely say your born with certain gifts.
Complete styles is different then just punching though.
punchers are born with the talent, but they develop it and are conditioned under a trainer for years
you'll never turn paulie maglinaggi into a hard puncher
julian jackson hit hard when he walked into the gym
it's just how it is.
Paulie could set his feet better than he does and get more oomph than he does though.
I think punchers can be made. Joe Louis went from having a little to a lot with just basic footwork help. He's one of the greatest the sport has seen. That being said, not everyone is born with Foreman power, but it can be extreme at both ends.
Speed, power and chin are three things you are born with. You can improve speed and power to a certain extent but to have that one punch natural power or that lighting fast speed, that something you are born with.
punchers are born with the talent, but they develop it and are conditioned under a trainer for years
you'll never turn paulie maglinaggi into a hard puncher
julian jackson hit hard when he walked into the gym
it's just how it is.
I agree with this & the TS.
How can you be "born" a puncher? when all children are more of less born the same. Its the predisposition of ones environment that will change there body and mindset. This could affect diet and therefore muscle growth. This is an adaptive change therefore you are NOT born with this trait.
It's called Genetics. The child is already destined to grow a certain height, bone structure, hair color, skin, etc. It's written in their genetic coding it's their destiny, other things can hinder them from growing to their genetic potential such as lack of proper nutrition, that's why you see kids who grow taller than their parents because they could get the proper nutrition their parents couldn't.
It has to be genetics. Just like anyone can pitch, but not anyone can throw a 100mph fastball. There's guys who have decent power and through training/experience become much stronger punchers (Martinez comes to mind as a recent example). Everynow and then though you'll see a seemingly light puncher harness it for a night and knock the f uck out of someone so it could be mindset related as well..especially considering some hard punchers seemingly pull their punches in exchange for speed/not setting their feet. I think there's a lot of variables in physiology too... It's no secret Pac's power comes from his mutant legs, Bundrage is brute strength, Nonito, Bute and Martinez get a lot of leverage (almost like a coil, you can see it from their entire body that the punch is potent) so I think its a combination of things when I think of it that way. Bailey seems to be a case of genetics though... I mean he just throws a punch and it looks as if his hand must weigh a ton with the reaction the opponent has. Like his hand is made of steel or somethin lol