True or False Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Andre Ward are the world's 2 best fighters?

I think Saturday's performance by Ward against Dawson further proved my point.

laughable is you comparing pac vs marquez fights to floyd vs jmm fight....floyd was huge compared to jmm and was literally a ww vs lw fight.. but if you wanna know something , out of 5 common opponets between pac and floyd , pac did better 4 times yeah and out of 5 common opponents hatton, mosley, cotto, marquez, de la hoya floyd fought all 5 without draining them below their natural weight limit floyd fought 3 of them first when did "how" you beat an opponent make a damn bit of a difference in this sport when comparing fighters, you can't make that statement and ignore styles. unless you're an idiot, of course

I would say yea if mainly based on doing a number of things wells, some other guys like Wlad for example have perfect styles that while less rounded are just as (if not more) difficult to overcome and they probably deserve mention. I don't think you can go wrong with Floyd and Ward though. it's just one person's opinion (or at the time of this posting, 29 people's opinion) if you disagree that's fine, i don't see why people have to get sand in their ****ing vaginas over this ****

my top 2 p4p, i voted true of course

Ward is one of the best but I wouldn't call him the best, not even number 2. Let's see how he performs against Dawson. To me, Ward looks very beatable. I think an intelligent pressure fighter could cause a lot of problems for Ward. I would place Pac and Sergio above Ward to be honest. However he is certainly one of the top five if not top ten best fighters in the world. Yup and boxing fans think he's comparable to a prime Mayweather, a prime Jones Jr, or even a prime Hopkins. He's clearly not on that level, not from what I've seen. Make no mistake about it Ward is a really solid boxer, if he beats Dawson, I would compare him to Hopkins and Mayweather. We'll see how he handles Dawson first.

Ward is one of the best but I wouldn't call him the best, not even number 2. Let's see how he performs against Dawson. To me, Ward looks very beatable. I think an intelligent pressure fighter could cause a lot of problems for Ward. I would place Pac and Sergio above Ward to be honest. However he is certainly one of the top five if not top ten best fighters in the world.

Wow, this is the same guy who arguably lost to a 38 year old blown up light weight who Floyd shut out two years prior, he looked terrible against a horribly shot Shane Mosley and he wasn't exactly dazzling against Bradley. I don't see how anybody can still put Manny @ # 1. Honestly that's laughable. laughable is you comparing pac vs marquez fights to floyd vs jmm fight....floyd was huge compared to jmm and was literally a ww vs lw fight.. but if you wanna know something , out of 5 common opponets between pac and floyd , pac did better 4 times

You guys make this more complicated than it is. I'm referring to general boxing ability. To me, Floyd and Andre are the most complete fighters in the game. Offense, defense, ring intelligence, etc. They display all of these attributes very well. Being more complete than someone doesn't necessarily make you a better fighter. I agree that they are currently the two best fighters P4P based on ability alone but not because they're more complete than the rest, they're just better fighters.

False, some people are seriously overrating Ward. Ward didn't even want to fight his buddy Andre Dirrell. He's never fought a really solid boxer, he beat a lot of tough guy's who have flaws in their boxing ability. He's impressive, but to say that Ward is the next Maywather is stretching it. I don't even think he beats Dawson.

8-4 floyd.. given how clearly pac beat bradley , i think he's still #1 Wow, this is the same guy who arguably lost to a 38 year old blown up light weight who Floyd shut out two years prior, he looked terrible against a horribly shot Shane Mosley and he wasn't exactly dazzling against Bradley. I don't see how anybody can still put Manny @ # 1. Honestly that's laughable.

How did you score the Cotto fight and who is the world's best fighter in your opinion? 8-4 floyd.. given how clearly pac beat bradley , i think he's still #1

you can say that about cotto but he was still floyd's best opponent in years...and floyd struggled meaning it's understandble that some people dont have floyd as their best fighter currently...i know i dont.. ward's got a good case tho How did you score the Cotto fight and who is the world's best fighter in your opinion?

The thread title asks who are the best fighters and then you talk about boxing ability. What I think you mean by boxing ability (ring generalship & defense) is just one aspect of the sport, it's not the be-all and end-all. For example, Ward is a better technician than Dirrell but Dirrell is faster and more explosive and I think a fight between them would be pretty much a toss up. Fighting ability encompasses more than just boxing skills. You guys make this more complicated than it is. I'm referring to general boxing ability. To me, Floyd and Andre are the most complete fighters in the game. Offense, defense, ring intelligence, etc. They display all of these attributes very well.

Step up in competition? Lmao, Cotto isn't all that. Floyd is older and no longer in his prime, he isn't always gonna dominate. You sound like a hater. You say Cotto was damaged goods yet it was a step up in competition? Huh you can say that about cotto but he was still floyd's best opponent in years...and floyd struggled meaning it's understandble that some people dont have floyd as their best fighter currently...i know i dont.. ward's got a good case tho

lol, he only looked worst becuase of the step up in comp....and that was cotto who already got sh1t beaten out of him twice Step up in competition? Lmao, Cotto isn't all that. Floyd is older and no longer in his prime, he isn't always gonna dominate. You sound like a hater. You say Cotto was damaged goods yet it was a step up in competition? Huh

This is based on current boxing ability and not resume's. Well, what do you think? The thread title asks who are the best fighters and then you talk about boxing ability. What I think you mean by boxing ability (ring generalship & defense) is just one aspect of the sport, it's not the be-all and end-all. For example, Ward is a better technician than Dirrell but Dirrell is faster and more explosive and I think a fight between them would be pretty much a toss up. Fighting ability encompasses more than just boxing skills.

Yep, that was the worst Floyd has looked since the dlh fight. Maybe it has something to do with the added weight, I don't know. However, Floyd still clearly won on an off night. lol, he only looked worst becuase of the step up in comp....and that was cotto who already got sh1t beaten out of him twice

I would like to see Ward against some more styles. But he's really good, top 3. Better than Donaire and Pacquiao for sure. I'd like to see how he does against Dawson, and then I want to see him against Dirrell. I favored him to win against Kessler, Bika, Green, Abraham, and Froch, easily. He just had the better style, though Bika gave him a tough fight. I don't have the same "He's going to have an easy night" feeling with the Dawson fight. He's gonna have to show his best performance in this fight.

have you seen floyd vs cotto? Yep, that was the worst Floyd has looked since the dlh fight. Maybe it has something to do with the added weight, I don't know. However, Floyd still clearly won on an off night.

By this logic jcc Jr. Is better than Floyd and Andre because he's an offensive fighter. thats if you belive chavez's offense is better than floyd's..you dont believ that do you?