The fact that he's opening himself up to take those shots??
Dont get me wrong, no one's saying he has a solid chin but still, with his skillset he should be doing so much more to AVOID getting hit like that on his chin yet every fight he's getting caught clean on his chin.
I know we said the same after Prescott but that left hook last night would have knocked any 140 pounder down and most of them OUT.
The real problem is why the **** does he always leave himself open to those shots?? You cant blame Roach if Khans ring IQ is probably the worst i have ever seen. He's makes soooo many daft mistakes in there it's unbelievable. You can change trainers after every fight but untill Khan himself humbles himself down and decides to use his skills and fight rather than get into a war he'll always run the risk of getting KO'd.
Dont get me wrong, its ****ing great entertainment but thats where Khan has to make his choice. Does he care more about pleasing the crowd or getting the job done?
if you look at all the times he has been hurt or knocked down. the shots hardly ever even land on his chin. JUST LOOK for yourselves. what you always see when he gets hit is he never sees the punch comming. he never is ducking, or parrying, or wincing. he just never sees/knows the shot was ever thrown. why. cause he is focised on what he is going to do only. it's the way freddy trains his fighters. i trained under freddy and it's never about setting your man up. lulling the opponent to sleep or calculated counters. manny is able to get away with because he has heard but you can see that flaw in him also more and more. it's not about the chin. fight should have been stopped after the big left hook. he has a major concussion i ame sure of it.
The majority of the fight dealt with them exchanging shots, as Garcia was playing the role of counter-puncher and waiting on Khan. I thought this would be his undoing, but Garcia was also leading at times, throwing head-body combos. He was landing cleanly on Khan too, just not as often as Khan was on him. Khan wasn't out-classing him, he fought the way we're used to seeing him fight, made absolutely no adjustments to Garcia's style and got clipped by a counter. He needed that jab so badly tonight.
Khan's chin isn't the problem. Khan doesn't have a solid defense, he's THERE to be hit, but he thinks his speed will win him every exchange. He makes questionable decisions, and he doesn't have the defense nor the chin to cushion his stupidity.
Outclassing was probably too far, but he was in no danger. He was controlling the fight and was clearly the superior fighter. He got caught. It happens. You're right, his defense needs serious work, but with this he just got caught in an exchange that can happen to anyone.
No his chin is the problem. The guys just not that durable.
It's a shame too, cause he's ALL man. Kid has a ton of heart. But he was completely outclassing Garcia and he got caught in an exchange....it happens but Khan's just too brittle.
The majority of the fight dealt with them exchanging shots, as Garcia was playing the role of counter-puncher and waiting on Khan. I thought this would be his undoing, but Garcia was also leading at times, throwing head-body combos. He was landing cleanly on Khan too, just not as often as Khan was on him. Khan wasn't out-classing him, he fought the way we're used to seeing him fight, made absolutely no adjustments to Garcia's style and got clipped by a counter. He needed that jab so badly tonight.
Khan's chin isn't the problem. Khan doesn't have a solid defense, he's THERE to be hit, but he thinks his speed will win him every exchange. He makes questionable decisions, and he doesn't have the defense nor the chin to cushion his stupidity.
No his chin is the problem. The guys just not that durable.
It's a shame too, cause he's ALL man. Kid has a ton of heart. But he was completely outclassing Garcia and he got caught in an exchange....it happens but Khan's just too brittle.
I'd say his defense is at massive fault here. Those left hooks Garcia landed were big shots. His chin isn't great that's a given but those shots would rock most guys. He lacks the ring intelligence though. He's paying the price for reckless antics. Everyone gets hurt in fights, but you need to how to deal with it, and Khan doesn't. Once hurt you getting feeling Khan is on his way to a loss.
I'm not sure Khan will learn even now. It's in his genes to fight with fire when hurt. His instinct is to fight and its his downful
His chin isnt the main problem
His problem is he cant stick to a game play...or stick to what hes best at
He should have been boxing as he did in round 1 and 2....but he decides to start brawling with a brawler....he was caught plenty of times in the 3rd round before the KD...I had garcia winning the round...then he got inside n tried to trade...n paid for it
His chin is decent, he took big punches even after the KD on wobbley legs n still stayed up
His problem is hes too stubborn and wont stick to his best thing - boxing
his chin is a flaw but far from his worst problem. his worst problems are his lack of inside fighting ability, his lack of defence and above anything else hi slack of fighting intelligence. those are his main problems.
the guys who knocked him out were punchers, the same shot that dropped khan dropped morales. diffrence was morales knew what to when he was hurt, he didnt panic and he knew how to defend himself including on the inside. khan meanwhile did one of three things, he either wobbled around the ring like a drunk, stood still and absorbed punishment on the inside or fired back leaving himself wide open.
everyone gets hurt, its how you respond. khan has the heart but he doesnt have the skill or intelligence to survive in those situations. even when he survived in the past like against maidana he did a terrible job when he was hurt.
The fact that he's opening himself up to take those shots??
Dont get me wrong, no one's saying he has a solid chin but still, with his skillset he should be doing so much more to AVOID getting hit like that on his chin yet every fight he's getting caught clean on his chin.
I know we said the same after Prescott but that left hook last night would have knocked any 140 pounder down and most of them OUT.
The real problem is why the **** does he always leave himself open to those shots?? You cant blame Roach if Khans ring IQ is probably the worst i have ever seen. He's makes soooo many daft mistakes in there it's unbelievable. You can change trainers after every fight but untill Khan himself humbles himself down and decides to use his skills and fight rather than get into a war he'll always run the risk of getting KO'd.
Dont get me wrong, its ****ing great entertainment but thats where Khan has to make his choice. Does he care more about pleasing the crowd or getting the job done?
I agree with this. His amatuerish style and constant leaning in leaves him wide open to the counter. I really like watching Khan and I wish he would fix this..
Yall talking about his chin the blow that ended it was to the neck khan came out looking very sharp his problem last night was he wasn't fighting his fight he was trying to prove to everybody he can stand there and go toe to toe and get the early ko all Garcia was hitting him with was power punches he did display good boxing skills but during the exchanges is when u get caught and a blow to the neck immediately immobilized him, I can't imagine how that feel but I think that blow would knock anybody down
Khan almost hired Floyd Sr as a trainer instead of Roach. I think he should look into that route. Freddie's been around and knows how to give fighters the right strategy to use with their existing skills.
But Floyd can actually ADD new skills to his fighters, and that's what sets him apart. Also with his reach and fast hands, Khan is well-suited from countering from a defensive "shell" style.
his chin is obv not great but its his lack of smarts that is the problem with his talents he could have boxed his way to a comfortable UD instead he went hell for leather for a KO ... and thats what he got.
The fact that he's opening himself up to take those shots??
Dont get me wrong, no one's saying he has a solid chin but still, with his skillset he should be doing so much more to AVOID getting hit like that on his chin yet every fight he's getting caught clean on his chin.
I know we said the same after Prescott but that left hook last night would have knocked any 140 pounder down and most of them OUT.
The real problem is why the **** does he always leave himself open to those shots?? You cant blame Roach if Khans ring IQ is probably the worst i have ever seen. He's makes soooo many daft mistakes in there it's unbelievable. You can change trainers after every fight but untill Khan himself humbles himself down and decides to use his skills and fight rather than get into a war he'll always run the risk of getting KO'd.
Dont get me wrong, its ****ing great entertainment but thats where Khan has to make his choice. Does he care more about pleasing the crowd or getting the job done?
khan is an offensive, chinny fighter and any quick accurate counterpuncher who can deal with his elbow punches is going to give khan problems.
agree with weebler that more than his defence its his chin. even very good defensive fighters (hopkins, pbf etc) often eat shots in big fights because their against high class opposition. when they do get hit their chin (hopkins) and ring smarts (think pbf vs mosley round II) get them through the fight/round.
also khan doesn't seem to be willing to learn from his mistakes. the peterson fight showed he has no inside game. in the fight yesterday garcia occasionally got inside and rather than have a plan for that khan resorted to pushing again.
another poster also made a very good point that maybe freddie r's deteriorating condition may have an impact on his fighters prep.
i think defence doesn't come naturally to khan but he has improved slightly since he started with freddie. problem is so has the calbire of opponent - now amir may only make 3/4 mistakes in a fight but they are nearly always capitalized on.
His chin is adequate but he is way too open and his defence is garbage so he takes too many shots and then the chin shows up. With a proper defence where he is covered up when attacking he would be OK. I have said for a long time he is open when attacking but it would take a good fighter to expose him. Making changes in his defence and building infighting skills is going to take a lot of time and work it is not an easy fix and has to be instinctive and woven in to his DNA. He needs to get rid of Roach who is clearly not capable of teaching it. Personally I think Hopkins could teach him jointly with Roach and that could work. But Khan is thick and proud and I don't see him changing , just trying to cover up his deficiencies with bluster ,spin and bull****.
Absolutely spot on.
Was going to mention Hopkins, he needs someone like that in his ear to give him some ringsmarts as his ring IQ is absolutely atrocious.
It's the unholy trinity of poor defence, a shaky chin and weak legs. I'd throw in a lack of a survival brain if I was being cruel.
Khan is an fantastic amateur fighter, and I don't doubt that he could outbox most fighters out there. But there's a good chance he's going to lose against punchers.
I thought his gameplan last night was dreadful and he'd have probably cruised to a UD if he stayed on the outside. Still it made the fight a cracker!
His chin is adequate but he is way too open and his defence is garbage so he takes too many shots and then the chin shows up. With a proper defence where he is covered up when attacking he would be OK. I have said for a long time he is open when attacking but it would take a good fighter to expose him. Making changes in his defence and building infighting skills is going to take a lot of time and work it is not an easy fix and has to be instinctive and woven in to his DNA. He needs to get rid of Roach who is clearly not capable of teaching it. Personally I think Hopkins could teach him jointly with Roach and that could work. But Khan is thick and proud and I don't see him changing , just trying to cover up his deficiencies with bluster ,spin and bull****.
I do notice when khan is one the pads with Roach, that khan looks great hitting the pads, but even Roach isnt hitting khan back to make khan concentrate on defense.
ANd maybe roachs parkinsons effecting his ability to make his fighters more capable defensively.
His chin is rubbish but his defense is worse! Last night he got caught with the exact same shot Prescott caught him with. How can you not learn in 4 years?
It's his chin, every fighter can expect to take a big shot at least once during a fight, defensive specialists included.
Khan struggles against punchers, it is what it is.
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