I like Kelly Pavlik but I think he is not gonna do NOTHING at 168....

froch is not easy to hit. he's actually pretty cute considering that he's not fast. he boxed abraham's doors off same with johnson he'd win every round against pavlik. kelly's only advantages would be handspeed and power. Damn if Kelly has better hand speed, you must be slow that's just embarrassing.

I like Kelly & think he's a decent fighter, but he's not going to beat the top guys at SMW, i don't think Pavlik will deal with their power.

You may be right, I would like to see him against Kessler, Bute, and Abraham though. I wouldn't count the Ghost out in those fights.

The Cobra would destroy him IMHO, as would Kessler.

he'd pound arthur abraham as well, but that guy is a non-factor at 168 anyway. i do think kelly makes for a good fight for rodriguez, though, which is a nice way of me saying that he can act as a top flight gatekeeper. Pavlik beats Rodriguez without question!!! I'm a big fan of Rosinsky since I'm from Queens NY....and Rosinsky beat Rodriguez and got robbed IMO.....Lou Dibella won't let Rodriguez anywhere NEAR Pavlik....Dibella wouldn't be able protect him vs. a TOP RANK Bob Arum fighter with a HUGE name like Kelly Pavlik!!! Lou DiBella won't let Rodriguez fight anyone he can't protect him against until he's 30-0 when he can finally cash him out!.....boxing is a dirty money business!!!!! plus no one wants to see Pavlik-Rodriguez....Edwin RAN away from Rosinsky for the entire fight.....imagine what he would do with Pavlik

He is too small for 168, he will make a good fight for some of the top guys. Atleast he has a chin and will fight to the end, so I will watch any of his fights.

we already saw Arthur Abraham is also way too small for super middleweight. Actually I could have posted the same thread for Abraham (instead of Pavlik), and everything would be true as well. Only difference is that Pavlik might be a gatekeeper at 168, while Im pretty sure Abraham wont be able to be a gatekeeper. Abraham will be the new WBO super middleweight champ on 8-25-12.

I don't see him beating nobody besides maybe Bute at 168. Dude cuts up super easy now. Martinez sliced him up for life.

He broke down Sigmon and Jaco ... He had a ton of trouble with Rosinsky because Rosinsky can box. He was a national champion and a 4 or 5x golden glove winner in NY...guys like that usually have strategy in a fight...the formula to beat pav is to not let him get set ... If you noticed Rosinsky used a lot of lateral movement...and frustrated Pavlic a lot. If pav fights a straight up guy like frotch or Kessler I think he can win... Put a guy like Ward in front of him he will be overwealmed unless he gets a punch off. dude did u see how small Rosinsky is? he is the smallest 168 pounder I ever saw. Dude looks like a light middleweight. Froch and the other guys at 168 are a lot bigger and better boxers. so I dont see Pavlik beating them at super middleweight

no, he is not his hands are arguably faster, but his feet and upper body movement are leagues below froch he literally has no almost no upper body movement. froch slips punches. Froch is just on another level than Pavlik, Froch would have a picnic countering Pavlik who just arrived at this weight while Froch faced everybody at the division and is easily behind Ward, a really solid #2. Pavlik only would have a punchers chance and that doesnt mean sh i t against Froch.

I like Pavlik, but over time he has lost some things that I do not see coming back. There was a time when he made opportunities with his jab, and on top of it never stopped punching. That opened up a lot of doors for him in a fight. He created opportunities for himself in there. Now he seems more of a reactionary fighter, almost too patient. He is too slow to be reactionary. All too often now he ends up fighting his opponents fights. He is getting by with it now, but when he starts fighting the top dogs, he may end up looking like a fish out of water. There was a time when he was considered a very accurate puncher, but now we see him hitting air alot. That is due to him not relying on his jab like he used too. He has to use it and then sneak in something right after it. He is too slow to catch good fighters on guard. He has to catch them off guard. He needs that big jab back. He broke down Sigmon and Jaco ... He had a ton of trouble with Rosinsky because Rosinsky can box. He was a national champion and a 4 or 5x golden glove winner in NY...guys like that usually have strategy in a fight...the formula to beat pav is to not let him get set ... If you noticed Rosinsky used a lot of lateral movement...and frustrated Pavlic a lot. If pav fights a straight up guy like frotch or Kessler I think he can win... Put a guy like Ward in front of him he will be overwealmed unless he gets a punch off.

I like Pavlik, but over time he has lost some things that I do not see coming back. There was a time when he made opportunities with his jab, and on top of it never stopped punching. That opened up a lot of doors for him in a fight. He created opportunities for himself in there. Now he seems more of a reactionary fighter, almost too patient. He is too slow to be reactionary. All too often now he ends up fighting his opponents fights. He is getting by with it now, but when he starts fighting the top dogs, he may end up looking like a fish out of water. There was a time when he was considered a very accurate puncher, but now we see him hitting air alot. That is due to him not relying on his jab like he used too. He has to use it and then sneak in something right after it. He is too slow to catch good fighters on guard. He has to catch them off guard. He needs that big jab back.

I can see Pavlik being capable of beating Bute and Abraham but SMW is a stacked division with a lot of top fighters. Ward is really special,nobody beats him but Froch ,Kessler and Dirrell are too much for Pavlik IMO.

Green fight, he have good chin, but Froch and Pavlik have great chin Dude. Green fight was the very first time Kessler has been down. His chin is granite. Saying his chin is inferiour to Froch and Pavlik is ridiculous.

no, he is not his hands are arguably faster, but his feet and upper body movement are leagues below froch he literally has no almost no upper body movement. froch slips punches. Hell yeah he has to, fighting with his hands below his waist so much of the time.

No Pavlik is faster than Froch, in my opinion is a good fight no, he is not his hands are arguably faster, but his feet and upper body movement are leagues below froch he literally has no almost no upper body movement. froch slips punches.

Green fight, he have good chin, but Froch and Pavlik have great chin Gotchya. I mean Kessler cuts a little easily and Calzaghe had him hurt to the body, but I've always thought his chin was pretty decent. And Green sucks, but he hits like a mule. Yeah Pavlik's height, reach, workrate and decent power helped make up for a leaky defense, lack of speed and movement at MW. Not so much at SMW and he seems to be on the slide to boot. But he should make for an entertaining fight or two.

johnson's is identical to froch's... only two inches shorter, too. and pavlik does not have good speed.. his hands gmove fast once they get going, but he's easy to beat to the punch. and dont get me started on his feet. froch has 10X the feet pavlik has. No Pavlik is faster than Froch, in my opinion is a good fight

oh and I mean a contender at SMW, not a name in boxing. herp derp on my part

double negatives in OP aside, I think Pavlik, if he gets the right fights can become a "name". I still think Bika and Green would be good fights for him