Honestly, this is something that I feel really screws up scorecards. If there isn't a real winner to a round, then it needs to be scored a draw. I believe they tell judges that 99% of their rounds should NOT be scored a draw. That is absolute garbage though.
How many fights have you seen where the first two rounds go by and neither guy does much of anything? One guy lands a jab to the shoulder and the other lands a weak right to the body. In many cases, giving a fighter these rounds just for the sake of scoring a round results in score cards not reflecting what really happened in the fight by the end of the night. If a guy did more in a round - definitely give the round to him. But if there are those rounds where it's just too close to call, score it a god damn DRAW, like it should be.
Go and rewatch the Pacquiao-Marquez trilogy, there are several RAZOR close rounds throughout their fights together. Not saying I entirely disagree with the outcomes of each fight, but I definitely felt the third one should have been a draw.
Score cards would begin to look a lot different if everyone wasn't afraid to admit there wasn't a clear cut winner to a round.
Completely disagree, there is a reason effective defense and ring generalship are apart of the scoring system and that is to help separate a winner.
Very rarely is a round truly even, hence why we rarely see them. Judges are paid to be just that judges, they are the experts not laymen like us. 9/10 times someone wins a round, even if it is slight or not universally recognized, but anytime judging is involved in a sport at all this will happen.
Wanna solve judging in boxing do what Steward says and Knock more people out.
9/10 times someone does, indeed, win a round. one (maybe two) draw rounds in a 12 round fight is perfectly acceptable, and even probable.
However, the current judging standard is something like 1 out of 100 rounds should be scored a draw. This is bogus and we both know it.
Also, I'm pretty sure that all combat sports have clearly demonstrated that a large portion of these so called expert judges AREN'T really that much of experts.
Obviously there are rounds that don't have a universally recognized, clear winner. What we do have though, are rounds in which people go "damn that was a really close round!". In a large number of those really close rounds - we need to be more open to scoring the round a draw.
Completely disagree, there is a reason effective defense and ring generalship are apart of the scoring system and that is to help separate a winner.
Very rarely is a round truly even, hence why we rarely see them. Judges are paid to be just that judges, they are the experts not laymen like us. 9/10 times someone wins a round, even if it is slight or not universally recognized, but anytime judging is involved in a sport at all this will happen.
Wanna solve judging in boxing do what Steward says and Knock more people out.
Draw rounds are almost never awarded for a reason. Look how f*cked up judging in boxing is across the board nowadays, now imagine if judges were encouraged to score close rounds as draws. We'd have even more bogus decisions and draws to deal with than we already have now.
I disagree - in an extremely close round that could EASILY go either way - why not call it a draw? If anything it would cause more draws than bogus decisions. Feel out rounds should not be the difference maker in a fight, extremely close rounds should not be the difference maker in a fight. Rounds where one guy beat the other guy should be the difference maker.
i would pick this over some p*ssy draw rounds.............
the crying is endless.
sick of this pac bradley crap...............
Crying? Should we not be complaining about poor scoring in the sport? These decisions are BAD for the sport. Your view of the uproar about the decision being "crying" is actually idiotic. Taking the role of "doing nothing" does just that, nothing - to improve the sport.
side note: you generally just seem dumb.
Yeah, I kind of agree. I was thinking about that the other day. A guy who wins more definite rounds than the other guy deserves to win the fight. Especially for those first 2 feel out rounds in many fights where both fighters don't do much. Those type of rounds should not be deciding the winner of the fight.
I only want draws in those low activity rounds though. In those close rounds with a ton of action, judges should still pick a winner.
Feel out rounds definitely make the difference in decisions at the end of the day. I mean, a guy can still clearly win a feel out round - and it should be given to him. But there are those rounds where no one did much of anything, and the judges just HAVE to pick a winner. That is a joke!
I disagree about picking a winner in high activity rounds. Sometimes both guys beat the HELL out of each other in a round - and they both took about the same amount from each other. Sometimes even the punch stats are nearly dead even. Why not score this a draw round? Do we want to avoid draws in boxing? Why?
Lets take Williams-Martinez I for example - there were lots of people clamoring about how Martinez won the fight. If the scores would have been reversed - there would have been just as many claiming Williams won the fight. Let's face it though, the fight was REALLY close and it probably should have been a draw. I'm not saying draw rounds would have equated to that happening - but just the general avoiding of draws (both in rounds and final scores) in boxing results in saying one guy won when in reality it was super close.
I agree with you 100%. Many rounds are even and to close to call. I don't remember when they stopped scoring even rounds but it was a bad idea.I can remember a time when on average 2 or 3 rounds would be scored even in a 12 round fight, and they really were even rounds. If a judge is not sure who won a round he should call it even. In the days of even rounds there were much fewer terrible decisions. Not calling rounds even when they are even is like a carpenter going to work but leaving his saw or his hammer at home. The even round is a valueable tool for scoring fights correctly and it's been used for over 100 years for a reason.
Draw rounds are almost never awarded for a reason. Look how f*cked up judging in boxing is across the board nowadays, now imagine if judges were encouraged to score close rounds as draws. We'd have even more bogus decisions and draws to deal with than we already have now.
Yeah, I kind of agree. I was thinking about that the other day. A guy who wins more definite rounds than the other guy deserves to win the fight. Especially for those first 2 feel out rounds in many fights where both fighters don't do much. Those type of rounds should not be deciding the winner of the fight.
I only want draws in those low activity rounds though. In those close rounds with a ton of action, judges should still pick a winner.