if nacho were to train pacman and freddie to train marquez would the outcome of fight

i agree completely with all this macho beristain is a technical trainer look at the marquez brothers and ricardo lopez all technically sound and freddie roach is speed and angles trainer look at manny now and amir khan and julio cesar chavez jr vs peter manfredo manny would definitely better from this marquez's style is not the kind freddie roach would help him benifit from

freddie roach sucks, all he would teach Marquez is to rush in their and dont step backwards. Which in hindsight is retarded giving marquez boxing talent. But if he never meet nacho we will never know that and think marquez is a beast who brawls

Marquez would be the typical Roach fighter, no inside game etc i mean if their skills were already established and swapped after say.. 30 fights, which would make the most complete fighter..thanx ;)

I agree roach is not vocal enough in situation where he needs to be. Like in some interview if u notice he's talking about how oh manny looks great he wanted to work on the mitts today so that's what we're gonna do. It's not up to manny, roach being the great trainer that he is needs to take charge and work on the stuff that he feels manny needs improvements on. yeah good spot i noticed a similar situation before and why diddn't manny do plyometrics for the jjm 3rd fight???????????

i think roach was to soft and quiet when points were taken off khan in the peterson fight, roach didn't say a word ;) I agree roach is not vocal enough in situation where he needs to be. Like in some interview if u notice he's talking about how oh manny looks great he wanted to work on the mitts today so that's what we're gonna do. It's not up to manny, roach being the great trainer that he is needs to take charge and work on the stuff that he feels manny needs improvements on.

i mean if they were already established and had their current skills and swapped trainers to add their respective skills to the skills they already have...who would benefit the most! thanx ;) PAC would benefit from it. Like I said roach's way of training is all wrong for marquez. Marquez would be confused. But with manny I feel he can be so much better if he work more on the fundamental of boxing. It's not just all about attacking. Maybe PAC does know all this but he sure ain't using it that's why I feel PAC needs a more discipline trainer. I think roach is to nice and laid back on PAC.

PAC would benefit from it. Like I said roach's way of training is all wrong for marquez. Marquez would be confused. But with manny I feel he can be so much better if he work more on the fundamental of boxing. It's not just all about attacking. Maybe PAC does know all this but he sure ain't using it that's why I feel PAC needs a more discipline trainer. I think roach is to nice and laid back on PAC. i think roach was to soft and quiet when points were taken off khan in the peterson fight, roach didn't say a word ;)

i mean if they were already established and had their current skills and swapped trainers to add their respective skills to the skills they already have...who would benefit the most! thanx ;) PAC would benefit from it. Like I said roach's way of training is all wrong for marquez. Marquez would be confused. But with manny I feel he can be so much better if he work more on the fundamental of boxing. It's not just all about attacking. Maybe PAC does know all this but he sure ain't using it that's why I feel PAC needs a more discipline trainer. I think roach is to nice and laid back on PAC.

If roach train Marquez it would be all bad since Marquez's style is not for roach. But as for pacman I always thought if PAC was to go train with a different coach who is more strict on defense and the fundamental of boxing I think pacman would be so much better. Roach did a great job on manny but it seems like its all offensive attack power punch that he's showing manny. i mean if they were already established and had their current skills and swapped trainers to add their respective skills to the skills they already have...who would benefit the most! thanx ;)

Nacho made JMM from the beginning day one and Roach wasn't manny's first trainer. I think if coaches were swapped, like it was stated before, manny would be even better and JMM would not be as good as he is today.

If roach train Marquez it would be all bad since Marquez's style is not for roach. But as for pacman I always thought if PAC was to go train with a different coach who is more strict on defense and the fundamental of boxing I think pacman would be so much better. Roach did a great job on manny but it seems like its all offensive attack power punch that he's showing manny.

gotta agree that pacman would benefit but marquez wouldn't, would be interesting to hear their oppinions on how their different training methods and philosophy would impact them as fighters with vastly contrasting styles ;):banana:

I don't think so, I think maybe only Goosen besides Roach could have made Pac the fighter that he is today. Roach and Pac were a perfect fit for each other. Chemistry and respect that's the two most important aspects between a fighter and a coach. And, the chemistry that Pac and Roach have with each other is really rare only Floyd and Roger and JMM with Nacho can compare. maybe so...

If JMM trained with Roach and Pac trained with Nacho. Neither fighter would be as good as they are today. I think that about marquez, yes, but I think pac would be a good fighter regardless of who he trained with. marquez would be too, but they wouldnt have that magic they are known for, but really who knows...

if freddie were to train marquez for many years, then marquez would not be the brilliant fighter he is today. if nach trained pacman, pacman would be much more devastating than he already is, cause he would have boxing skills, inside skills, and defense, versus freddie roach's cookie cutter system...