I agree with this along with some other parts of your post.
It seems that after Manny's last performance, Mayweather's chances against Pacquiao have gone up tenfold and is now a big favourite and some even suggesting that it would be an easy fight for Maywether.
I dont think it would though, and i certainly wont be using no triangle theory to judge it. Just because Mayweather easily beat Marquez and Pacquiao lost to Marquez in his last fight, does not mean that Mayweather simply beats Pacquiao.
I still think it would be a very tough fight for Mayweather.
People aren't basing it off a triangle theory. They are basing their judgement on that off the fact that Mayweather and Marquez are BOTH counter punchers. Something Pacquiao has always struggled with. Mayweather is an even faster counter puncher with a longer reach who has never been officially down in his career. So Mayweather will actually be a very tough fight for Pacquiao as well!
after his last performance, anyone can trouble him now. canelo would double the trouble cotto gave him. khan would land his combinations and one of them would land on pbf's body.
pac would murk him.
mayweather has nowhere else to go. he would most likely retire.
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Question: What makes those three fighters you mentioned different than Castillo?
Better overall boxing skills, more speed, better footwork...
Castillo applied pressure and outworked Mayweather on the inside in their 1st Fight...but again...THAT WAS 2002, 10 years later you honestly think nobody else have tried to use that same strategy within that 10 years stretch?
Mayweather is a smarter fighter now then he was then, he is more prepared for that Pressure and Body Punches, so now I think somebody will have to BOX WITH HIM to have a better chance to beat him...Zab in the first 4 Round when he was effective, he did not get inside of Mayweather...HE BOXED WITH HIM!
Stop putting "Good Checker Players" in front of Mayweather..."A MASTER CHESS PLAYER", I want to see him with another Chess Player...A SKILLED BOXER! A lot of fans just desperately want to see him get KO'd, so they are looking for Bigger Fighters and fighters with Power to fight Mayweather with the hope that fighter can KO Mayweather...but to me a fighter just looking to KO Mayweather has NO CHANCE...especially when that fighter has NO DEFENSE, NO HEAD MOVEMENT, CAN'T FIGHT INSIDE and is a sucker for Counter Punchers! Fans are making Mayweather job EASY because they fighters they want to see him fight are extremely overrate with a ton of FLAWS that Mayweather could exploit with his Eyes Closed (not literally)
Guerrero, Molina, Bradley, Solomon, those are BOXERS, they don't go into fights looking for a Quick KO, these are guy who can go 12, meaning that they can make adjustments during the fight...because they don't have the great Power, they instead developed and became better at MULTIPLE THINGS instead of of just PURELY DEPENDING ONE THING like POWER!
alvarez doesnt have the jab or the athleticism alvarez-mayweather would look like ortiz-mayweather
What????
Ortiz is a hard charging brawler with a unreliable brain period, he is good at it but thats it.
Canelo is a pure technician with sneaky patience,and he has VERY fast hands.
people post that same damn names because they don't know boxing and those are names they was TOLD BY SOMEONE ELSE THAT COULD POSSIBLY GIVE MAYWEATHER PROBLEMS
Mayweather beats all of those fighters: Pacquiao, Khan, Martinez and Canelo
but some REAL BOXERS that can give Mayweather problems:
Robert Guerrero, Timothy Bradley, Carlos Molina, Brad Solomon (not even sure he is still boxing at this point)...smart fighters who can BOX, people keep wanting to throw Mayweather in with Fighters who only have "A PUNCHERS CHANCE", I would rather somebody that will come and really challenge Mayweather MENTALLY...FOCUS ON STYLES AND SKILLS and stop getting caught up into THE FUKIN HYPE AND BIG NAMES, just because they are getting more hype does not mean your the best or the most talented
I feel Bradley can rough Mayweather up inside but with More Speed then a Cotto, plus he also has a good jab and he moves that big head around so he can probably avoid some of those counters off of shoulder rolls
and by the way...fighters need to stop wasting their fukin time with the "CASTILLO STRATEGY" Mayweather himself has improved as a fighter since then, he became smarter and wiser since fukin 2002 :nonono: some of you gotta let that Castillo fights go
Question: What makes those three fighters you mentioned different than Castillo?
To beat floyd you have two choices on his to hunt him down and throw none stop until you break him down.
Two would be too control the distance better then floyd and nail him with hard shots and move away.
Sergio martinez is tailor made for option two and I think that is a fight floyd would loose
I think alvrez or khan due to speed and skill and power!
there is not one thing that khan could do, or has ever been able to do, or will be able to do to trouble mayweather. alvarez may be able to trouble him slightly for a short while, martinez is the most trouble for him by far
Martinez and Canelo would put some serious hurt on Floyd but doubt that they actually beat him.
All this nonsense A Mere Con would beat Floyd is a joke.
people post that same damn names because they don't know boxing and those are names they was TOLD BY SOMEONE ELSE THAT COULD POSSIBLY GIVE MAYWEATHER PROBLEMS
Mayweather beats all of those fighters: Pacquiao, Khan, Martinez and Canelo
but some REAL BOXERS that can give Mayweather problems:
Robert Guerrero, Timothy Bradley, Carlos Molina, Brad Solomon (not even sure he is still boxing at this point)...smart fighters who can BOX, people keep wanting to throw Mayweather in with Fighters who only have "A PUNCHERS CHANCE", I would rather somebody that will come and really challenge Mayweather MENTALLY...FOCUS ON STYLES AND SKILLS and stop getting caught up into THE FUKIN HYPE AND BIG NAMES, just because they are getting more hype does not mean your the best or the most talented
I feel Bradley can rough Mayweather up inside but with More Speed then a Cotto, plus he also has a good jab and he moves that big head around so he can probably avoid some of those counters off of shoulder rolls
and by the way...fighters need to stop wasting their fukin time with the "CASTILLO STRATEGY" Mayweather himself has improved as a fighter since then, he became smarter and wiser since fukin 2002 :nonono: some of you gotta let that Castillo fights go
I think the recipe to beat Floyd has always been out there, just not a fighter well rounded enough to execute it, but you really have to be a great, great fighter to achieve this. Castillo in my eyes did it once, a fighter who was moulded under JCC, it's safe to say he knew a thing or two about intelligent, educated pressure fighting. No one since has had the ingredients to replicate the success in those fights, and tbh Floyd improved.
Oscar was a little too far gone, but in my opinion could have beaten him in his prime with a little more speed and sharpness. Out of the fighters who are left out there, I think there are plenty who can give him trouble, some have been mentioned. I would add Lara, Berto, to that list. I think stylistically they would give him trouble, but I would favour Floyd.
Pacquiao and Martinez are very tough fights, if Cotto could get to Floyd that much, they would certainly tag him, I dont buy into the theory that Manny is an easy fight, too much speed and power, Manny has a strange rhythm and great footwork, I think he would make Floyd gun shy.
Quick question: Has Manny fought anyone similar in style and movement to Floyd?
martinez 2nd to none
mayweather outclasses khan ...alvarez gets destroyed his work rate 2 slow he'll be thinking all day wit mayweather...sergio martinez has the best chance....he 2nd to none he comes on late n fights floyd will open up because martinez hands stay down martinez has precision and has the power 2 1 punch knock out mayweather...can he win?.......by knockout...he wont get no decisions..n he can actually do it
I say Pacquiao with the speed power and gameplan can trouble May enough to beat him... Im still a believer!
Martinez is a close second
Khan and Canelo arent ready yet...
Anybody who can match him speed for speed and smarts can trouble him.
Martinez would give him some trouble and a challenge. "For how long?", is the question.
If Floyd adapts well to his opponent, he can pull off the win.
Can't really say who or which style can best him at this point.
Pacquiao and Martinez are very tough fights, if Cotto could get to Floyd that much, they would certainly tag him, I dont buy into the theory that Manny is an easy fight, too much speed and power, Manny has a strange rhythm and great footwork, I think he would make Floyd gun shy.
I agree with this along with some other parts of your post.
It seems that after Manny's last performance, Mayweather's chances against Pacquiao have gone up tenfold and is now a big favourite and some even suggesting that it would be an easy fight for Maywether.
I dont think it would though, and i certainly wont be using no triangle theory to judge it. Just because Mayweather easily beat Marquez and Pacquiao lost to Marquez in his last fight, does not mean that Mayweather simply beats Pacquiao.
I still think it would be a very tough fight for Mayweather.
I think the recipe to beat Floyd has always been out there, just not a fighter well rounded enough to execute it, but you really have to be a great, great fighter to achieve this. Castillo in my eyes did it once, a fighter who was moulded under JCC, it's safe to say he knew a thing or two about intelligent, educated pressure fighting. No one since has had the ingredients to replicate the success in those fights, and tbh Floyd improved.
Oscar was a little too far gone, but in my opinion could have beaten him in his prime with a little more speed and sharpness. Out of the fighters who are left out there, I think there are plenty who can give him trouble, some have been mentioned. I would add Lara, Berto, to that list. I think stylistically they would give him trouble, but I would favour Floyd.
Pacquiao and Martinez are very tough fights, if Cotto could get to Floyd that much, they would certainly tag him, I dont buy into the theory that Manny is an easy fight, too much speed and power, Manny has a strange rhythm and great footwork, I think he would make Floyd gun shy.
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