Roberto Duran ATG? Give me a break..

Youre not even speaking english anymore. The fact that you think there was a largely size discrepancy between Mayweather-Ortiz and Duran-Barkley is pretty funny though. Ortiz was a guy who killed himself to make 140. Barkley was a guy who killed himself to make 160. Barkley would have squashed Ortiz like a bug. Barkley is considered one of the biggest middleweights EVER. Do you get it yet? Nevermind, I know the answer to that. God bless America.:usa: :spam: Weight wise there was a bigger difference between Mayweather and Ortiz than there was Duran and Barkley, Fact. Work it out, Ortiz "killed" himself to make 147 not 140. Wow I missed out the word "Duran" so I'm not "speaking" English. rofl. You've also contradicted yourself, you said that it was same day weigh inns so if they fought at 160lbs then he was 160 on the day, Ortiz was 165lbs on the night of the mayweather fight.

And Duran is taller and alot thicker set than Pacquiao, fight there was 10lbs in it on fight night, Mayweather against ortiz was even larger than that, around 17lbs and Im sure pacquiao vs margarito was atleast 20lbs. So no, it's wrong. Although credit where credit is due on winning that fight, still not an ATG in my opinion. Youre not even speaking english anymore. The fact that you think there was a largely size discrepancy between Mayweather-Ortiz and Duran-Barkley is pretty funny though. Ortiz was a guy who killed himself to make 140. Barkley was a guy who killed himself to make 160. Barkley would have squashed Ortiz like a bug. Barkley is considered one of the biggest middleweights EVER. Do you get it yet? Nevermind, I know the answer to that. God bless America.:usa: :spam:

Col d blooded murder being perfectly fine can be just an opinion too. Doesn't make the cunt that thinks it right. Ok then. Explain what great boxing is, why Duran doesn't do it and who today does it better, with examples. Instead of just spouting the usual dumb **** rhetoric of "Duran was fat and didn't do anything. Mayweather is da best. Pwn LAMO monee Mai 4eva!" give us something that might actually change our minds. Show us why you are the only smart guy to understand that Duran is ****. Just out of curiosity, how was it that a fat, slow, useless, hack brawler with no technical skill that started out at 118 and was a natural lightweight could beat a top ten ATG welterweight to Lightheavyweight champion, who was younger, bigger, faster, supposedly more skilled, more technically gifted, smarter, more prime legend at his best weight in his peak, while Marvin Hagler, ATG middleweight king, Thomas Hearns, ATG 147, 154, 160 legend, and Wilfred Benitez, ATG 140, 147 and 154 legend couldn't? Funny how that works isn't it? How does someone without any technical skill slip the jab of the greatest jab of the modern era? How does someone who is fat, old and slow hardly get hit cleanly by one of the fastest, most accurate combination punchers of the modern era? Dude clearly has no skill. Go to 7.15 Note to retard: Mayweather does his thing against N'Dou, Jesus Chavez and other ok contenders. Duran proves his against ATG's and HOF champs. Do you see any difference? If you have the opinion that a crime is right, in the eyes of the law, it's wrong. so yeah that doesn't make you right. Duran was alot faster at his lower weights sure, when he came to the welterweight division for example, his footwork wasn't great, he was sluggish, but very tough so he was able to take a punch. he came foward with his chin up while throwing wild hooks, he fought alot of bums most of his career, with the exception of Sugar Ray, Hagler etc. His body isnt cut, he looks fat and heavier than most of his opponents at welterweight, sure he slugged sugar ray the first fight and took him out of his comfort zone and won the fight, nothing about it was technically great, and sugar ray came back with a proper gameplan and made him look silly by quitting. Mayweather is better because he is naturally gifted aswell as alot of hard work. amazing reflexes, good timing, he has awesome discipline, his defense is twice that of durans, he is twice as fast and his boxing is generally superior to Durans. Pacquiao is better because he is alot faster his head movement and his in and out style is better and his foot speed is twice that again of durans and duran would have a hard time getting to him. You keep talking about him fighting LHW for example, if he moved up and fought a prime Roy Jones JR, he would of end up on a stretcher by the 6th round. He is tough, and he is a warrior, if an ATG is defined by that, then sure, he's an ATG if you want to believe that. ATG's should be defined on great boxing skills. I said he wasnt an ATG Boxer. I never said he wasn't a warrior or a tough fighter

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Col d blooded murder being perfectly fine can be just an opinion too. Doesn't make the cunt that thinks it right. Ok then. Explain what great boxing is, why Duran doesn't do it and who today does it better, with examples. Instead of just spouting the usual dumb **** rhetoric of "Duran was fat and didn't do anything. Mayweather is da best. Pwn LAMO monee Mai 4eva!" give us something that might actually change our minds. Show us why you are the only smart guy to understand that Duran is ****. Just out of curiosity, how was it that a fat, slow, useless, hack brawler with no technical skill that started out at 118 and was a natural lightweight could beat a top ten ATG younger, bigger, faster, supposedly more skilled, more technically gifted, smarter, more prime legend at his best weight in his peak, while Marvin Hagler, ATG middleweight king, Thomas Hearns, ATG 147, 154, 160 legend, and Wilfred Benitez, ATG 140, 147 and 154 legend couldn't? Funny how that works isn't it? How does someone without any technical skill slip the jab of the greatest jab of the modern era? How does someone who is fat, old and slow hardly get hit cleanly by one of the fastest, most accurate combination punchers of the modern era? Dude clearly has no skill. Go to 7.15 The thing that I love watching Duran do more than anything else is the way he suckers fools into throwing hooks, ducks under, and delivers big punches coming back up. Freaking beautiful to watch.

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Barkley had 6 inches or height and more than that in reach over Duran. Barkley won titles at 168 and 175 later, and was KOing heavyweights at the end of his career. BARKLEY is way bigger than MARGARITO. I didnt use triangle theory. I said 'Barkley/Castro were quality fighters because of these accomplishments". And Duran is taller and alot thicker set than Pacquiao, fight there was 10lbs in it on fight night, Mayweather against ortiz was even larger than that, around 17lbs and Im sure pacquiao vs margarito was atleast 20lbs. So no, it's wrong. Although credit where credit is due on winning that fight, still not an ATG in my opinion.

Wow he pivot's out of a corner. big ****ing wow If you think he is technically gifted you are actually a silly cunt. He's a good fighter, good tough brawler. hes not fast at all and has always carried extra body fat. By the way you don't "lose" an opinion so "get ****ed cunt" Col d blooded murder being perfectly fine can be just an opinion too. Doesn't make the cunt that thinks it right. Ok then. Explain what great boxing is, why Duran doesn't do it and who today does it better, with examples. Instead of just spouting the usual dumb **** rhetoric of "Duran was fat and didn't do anything. Mayweather is da best. Pwn LAMO monee Mai 4eva!" give us something that might actually change our minds. Show us why you are the only smart guy to understand that Duran is ****. Just out of curiosity, how was it that a fat, slow, useless, hack brawler with no technical skill that started out at 118 and was a natural lightweight could beat a top ten ATG welterweight to Lightheavyweight champion, who was younger, bigger, faster, supposedly more skilled, more technically gifted, smarter, more prime legend at his best weight in his peak, while Marvin Hagler, ATG middleweight king, Thomas Hearns, ATG 147, 154, 160 legend, and Wilfred Benitez, ATG 140, 147 and 154 legend couldn't? Funny how that works isn't it? How does someone without any technical skill slip the jab of the greatest jab of the modern era? How does someone who is fat, old and slow hardly get hit cleanly by one of the fastest, most accurate combination punchers of the modern era? Dude clearly has no skill. Go to 7.15 Note to retard: Mayweather does his thing against N'Dou, Jesus Chavez and other ok contenders. Duran proves his against ATG's and HOF champs. Do you see any difference?

Did Duran beat them at LHW? show me a fight duran is in where the difference is the difference between Pacquiao and Margarito? He fought at 160 he didnt fight at LHW so stop making out like he did. I can imagine Ortiz fighting at 160lbs easily, I know Manny Pacquiao is a 7weight world champion, so that doesn't mean ****. But I'm interested, show me a fight where the difference is like pacquiao vs margarito Barkley had 6 inches or height and more than that in reach over Duran. Barkley won titles at 168 and 175 later, and was KOing heavyweights at the end of his career. BARKLEY is way bigger than MARGARITO. But you are triangle theorising excatly the thing everyone knows doesnt work in boxing, Tommy Hearns is an ATG. P.S James Toney was talking PED's. and again Duran didnt beat him.. so don't use the triangle theory. I didnt use triangle theory. I said 'Barkley/Castro were quality fighters because of these accomplishments".

Can you imagine Ortiz beating a future middle, supermiddle, light heavyweight and minor heavyweight champion? Ie, someone the size of Tavoris Cloud, Bika, or something. So, Ortiz beating someone the equivalent of say Carl Froch? Except better than Froch. Froch ain't ever going to win the IBO heavyweight title with a KO of former WBC HW champ Gerrie Coetzee. Duran came from 118, and beat guys who became LHW champs with wins over HOFers. I know he's a troll, but just writing that makes me remember how great the guy actually is. A supposed 40 year old fat, slow, useless guy beating middlewweight, super middleweight and LHW champs when he was the size of a natural lightweight. ****ed up. Guy is a monster. It's insanity when written down in a single post, isn't it?

Can you imagine Ortiz beating a future middle, supermiddle, light heavyweight and minor heavyweight champion? Ie, someone the size of Tavoris Cloud, Bika, or something. So, Ortiz beating someone the equivalent of say Carl Froch? Except better than Froch. Froch ain't ever going to win the IBO heavyweight title with a KO of former WBC HW champ Gerrie Coetzee. Duran came from 118, and beat guys who became LHW champs with wins over HOFers. I know he's a troll, but just writing that makes me remember how great the guy actually is. A supposed 40 year old fat, slow, useless guy beating middlewweight, super middleweight and LHW champs when he was the size of a natural lightweight. ****ed up. Guy is a monster. I kind of bite bait all the time for an excuse to discuss topics like this. **** it, its fun. Its shocking that Duran went as far as he did, even more crazy considering how crap his training was after the Leonard fights.

I said bigger you numbskull. Castro beat the likes of John David Jackson twice, Imamu Mayfield, and Reggie Johnson twice. All quality fighters. Reggie Johnson almost beat a near prime James Toney, Im sure youve heard of him at least. Barkley beat Olajide, Kinchen, Van Horn and most importantly Thomas Hearns twice. Even you said Hearns was an ATG, right? But you are triangle theorising excatly the thing everyone knows doesnt work in boxing, Tommy Hearns is an ATG. P.S James Toney was talking PED's. and again Duran didnt beat him.. so don't use the triangle theory.

Can you imagine Ortiz beating a future middle, supermiddle, light heavyweight and minor heavyweight champion? Ie, someone the size of Tavoris Cloud, Bika, or something. So, Ortiz beating someone the equivalent of say Carl Froch? Except better than Froch. Froch ain't ever going to win the IBO heavyweight title with a KO of former WBC HW champ Gerrie Coetzee. Duran came from 118, and beat guys who became LHW champs with wins over HOFers. I know he's a troll, but just writing that makes me remember how great the guy actually is. A supposed 40 year old fat, slow, useless guy beating middlewweight, super middleweight and LHW champs when he was the size of a natural lightweight. ****ed up. Guy is a monster. Did Duran beat them at LHW? show me a fight duran is in where the difference is the difference between Pacquiao and Margarito? He fought at 160 he didnt fight at LHW so stop making out like he did. I can imagine Ortiz fighting at 160lbs easily, I know Manny Pacquiao is a 7weight world champion, so that doesn't mean ****. But I'm interested, show me a fight where the difference is like pacquiao vs margarito

But how do you come to that conclusion? Why are they better, what have they done that makes them better? I said bigger you numbskull. Castro beat the likes of John David Jackson twice, Imamu Mayfield, and Reggie Johnson twice. All quality fighters. Reggie Johnson almost beat a near prime James Toney, Im sure youve heard of him at least. Barkley beat Olajide, Kinchen, Van Horn and most importantly Thomas Hearns twice. Even you said Hearns was an ATG, right?

Sigh. Back then, they had same day weigh ins. In other words, if you cut that much weight and had to fight the same day, you would be a corpse. Nowadays, you can cut all that weight and then pump up 20lbs the next day, and still be in fighting shape. So had Pacquiao been fighting in that era, he probably would have started having success at 130bs. Big ****ing deal, its Victor Ortiz. Jorge Fernando Castro ended up fighting successfly at Cruiserweight later on, and Barkley ended up knocking out heavyweights. Ortiz would be tiny compared to them. Can you imagine Ortiz beating a future middle, supermiddle, light heavyweight and minor heavyweight champion? Ie, someone the size of Tavoris Cloud, Bika, or something. So, Ortiz beating someone the equivalent of say Carl Froch? Except better than Froch. Froch ain't ever going to win the IBO heavyweight title with a KO of former WBC HW champ Gerrie Coetzee. Duran came from 118, and beat guys who became LHW champs with wins over HOFers. I know he's a troll, but just writing that makes me remember how great the guy actually is. A supposed 40 year old fat, slow, useless guy beating middlewweight, super middleweight and LHW champs when he was the size of a natural lightweight. ****ed up. Guy is a monster.

Much better people than you have argued this, and still lost or conceded. Get ****ed cunt. :fing02: Just to give you a quick schooling though: Explain where the fat, slow, useless, Baldomir-like fighter is here? The move at 0.26, against a great future HOF champ too, is pure boxing greatness. The counter just after 7.55 is perfect. The stuff he does isn't seen by anyone today, apart from Hopkins, Toney and Mayweather. He could do it all. Box, counter, brawl, had beautiful defense, speed, power, skill....There is nothing more you could ever ask for in any fighter....Apart from maybe the discipline of a Hopkins or Mayweather. The fact that every great trainer and boxing expert will acknowledge his greatness also speaks for itself. Roach still says that he thinks Duran at his best was the greatest fighter he's ever seen. Picks him to beat Pac, Mayweather etc. haha I remember that 30 pager with TheGreatA and Method Checker. Head spinning stuff.

Alright, you got boring. I didnt say any of that, and was saying that Barkley and Castro were WAY bigger than anyone Pacquiao or Mayweather fought. But how do you come to that conclusion? Why are they better, what have they done that makes them better?

Excat attitude that "today's fighters are **** and nothing compared to back then" It's simply not true, Floyd Mayweather and Pacquiao would do very well against any of the ATG's, Duran didnt fight at cruiserweight so stop with the triangle theory. Give today's fighters some respect instead of just automatically assuming they'd lose. Alright, you got boring. I didnt say any of that, and was saying that Barkley and Castro were WAY bigger than anyone Pacquiao or Mayweather fought.

Much better people than you have argued this, and still lost or conceded. Get ****ed cunt. :fing02: Just to give you a quick schooling though: Explain where the fat, slow, useless, Baldomir-like fighter is here? The move at 0.26, against a great future HOF champ too, is pure boxing greatness. The counter just after 7.55 is perfect. The stuff he does isn't seen by anyone today, apart from Hopkins, Toney and Mayweather. He could do it all. Box, counter, brawl, had beautiful defense, speed, power, skill....There is nothing more you could ever ask for in any fighter....Apart from maybe the discipline of a Hopkins or Mayweather. The fact that every great trainer and boxing expert will acknowledge his greatness also speaks for itself. Roach still says that he thinks Duran at his best was the greatest fighter he's ever seen. Picks him to beat Pac, Mayweather etc. Wow he pivot's out of a corner. big ****ing wow If you think he is technically gifted you are actually a silly cunt. He's a good fighter, good tough brawler. hes not fast at all and has always carried extra body fat. By the way you don't "lose" an opinion so "get ****ed cunt"