Taking any supplement whatsoever is a joke

Jmm cheated when he drank his own piss. Actually, the TS said "If your body isn't creating it naturally, then you are fake," and urine is obviously all natural, so, yeah...

Jmm cheated when he drank his own piss. end thread..............................//

lol this is silly. anyone who takes protein shakes is a cheater! Anyone who takes their daily Fred Flinstone chewy vitamins is a cheater! Dammit................

I don't buy this "I didn't know what I was taking" bull**** from any athlete. The question is why are you taking anything in the first place? The same goes for these body builder types who drink creatine shakes and act like they're legit. Even that **** is cheating as far as I'm concerned. If your body isn't creating it naturally, then you are fake. Thank God Floyd is trying to clean up this piece of **** sport. if floyd is trying to clean up the sport, then why don't his boxers (vargas) take enhanced testing and why doesn't mayweather do it year round?

Why does it have to be only genetics? Can't hard work be a factor? All these guys we like to list in our top 10 fighters ever lists didn't use bull**** like creatine or anything else but hard work. I have no respect for most athletes today. They're all on something or other. Everyone is too lazy to actually put in the work to be great. hard work will only get you so far though compared to people who're born with better genetics. Reminds me of Rock Lee from Naruto.

You gotta draw the line somewhere and there is a list of banned substances that any pro athlete should have and it's their responsibility to not have any if that stuff in your system. You can't just say anything not natural should be banned, because plenty of natural things and things found in food are banned in certain sports. Caffeine for example in fencing. You can't drink 15 cups of coffee before a match and say its natural.

uh-oh.. now you cornered him. lol yall just clowning, this funny:popcorn:

When Floyd drank that pepsi.... Sugar and caffeine, not naturally produced. Floyds a cheat.

What if someone has an injury and uses a numbing solution for fights? uh-oh.. now you cornered him.

What if someone has an injury and uses a numbing solution for fights?

Jmm cheated when he drank his own piss.

I don't buy this "I didn't know what I was taking" bull**** from any athlete. The question is why are you taking anything in the first place? The same goes for these body builder types who drink creatine shakes and act like they're legit. Even that **** is cheating as far as I'm concerned. If your body isn't creating it naturally, then you are fake. Thank God Floyd is trying to clean up this piece of **** sport. LOL well at least you're consistent. People say that EPO or blood doping is cheating yet a Hyperbaric chamber is just fine. They say that steroids assist with recovery and help you train longer, well ibuprofen does the same thing. Most people dont really know why they're against steroids, they just are.

Taking vitamin c is cheating.

It does occur naturally. It doesn't occur naturally in the quantities they want so they add extra. If you can get it the same way from eating red meat, then eat red meat. Oh yeah, but eating a lot of red meat isn't good for you. It's just a case of everybody looking for the easy way out without actually doing the work. That's all athletes do nowadays. So, using your logic, taking a multivitamin is "taking the easy way out." Because those vitamins occur naturally and you can get them from eating large quantities of food. Therefore, people should just lose the multivitamins and eat enormous amounts of food, according to your argument. Think about it for a minute. It's not so cut and dried.

Creatine occurs naturally. It's the same as eating large quantities of red meat. Nothing wrong with taking it. It does occur naturally. It doesn't occur naturally in the quantities they want so they add extra. If you can get it the same way from eating red meat, then eat red meat. Oh yeah, but eating a lot of red meat isn't good for you. It's just a case of everybody looking for the easy way out without actually doing the work. That's all athletes do nowadays.

Why does it have to be only genetics? Can't hard work be a factor? All these guys we like to list in our top 10 fighters ever lists didn't use bull**** like creatine or anything else but hard work. I have no respect for most athletes today. They're all on something or other. Everyone is too lazy to actually put in the work to be great. Creatine occurs naturally. It's the same as eating large quantities of red meat. Nothing wrong with taking it.

but then we are reducing every fighter to just "who won the genetic lottery" as long as it's not steroid level enhancing drugs, I'm cool with it. Why does it have to be only genetics? Can't hard work be a factor? All these guys we like to list in our top 10 fighters ever lists didn't use bull**** like creatine or anything else but hard work. I have no respect for most athletes today. They're all on something or other. Everyone is too lazy to actually put in the work to be great.

Creatine is cheating to me. Your training should consist of a healthy diet, cardio, lifting and rest. but then we are reducing every fighter to just "who won the genetic lottery" as long as it's not steroid level enhancing drugs, I'm cool with it.

Creatine is just water retention any how, but I feel you. To each their own I guess. Pacquiao uses N.O Xplode. I've tried N.O before sparring sessions - that stuff will give you a heart attack. Never again. Creatine is cheating to me. Your training should consist of a healthy diet, cardio, lifting and rest.

I don't buy this "I didn't know what I was taking" bull**** from any athlete. The question is why are you taking anything in the first place? The same goes for these body builder types who drink creatine shakes and act like they're legit. Even that **** is cheating as far as I'm concerned. If your body isn't creating it naturally, then you are fake. Thank God Floyd is trying to clean up this piece of **** sport. Creatine is just water retention any how, but I feel you. To each their own I guess. Pacquiao uses N.O Xplode. I've tried N.O before sparring sessions - that stuff will give you a heart attack. Never again.