To beat Mayweather you need to have @ least one of 2 things to work with in your arsenal. Cant be a strict counter puncher like JMM was, Cant just bull foward and throw ( Gatti and Hatton) and you cant just bea kid who has huge muscles with no boxing smarts (Ortiz) yo need tohave what these 2 had and heres why: Castillo: He put Mayweather on the ropes and went to work on his body, his arms, his head, anywhere he could land he'd throw. and Floyd knew damned well that he got a gift in that 1st fight which is why he gave the rematch right away.Then there was De La Hoya in 2007. Oscar was winning with his jab and like Castillo throwing the punches wherever there was a slight opening when Floyd would be on ropes.Then for whatever reason he abandoned the jab and got his a$$ kicked. Now who in the last 10 years of boxing would you not want to be throwing heavy body shots on you when you are on the ropes? Even if hits his shoulders, elbows, whatever. Its obvi Cotto. Also Cotto had shown time and time again that he has an amazing Jab along with good boxing sence.Im not saying MG or FM will win. Basically what im saying is there is no way in hell Floyd is just going to have his way with Cotto and if there is one person who will give Floyd a hell of a great fight besides MP, its Cotto
To beat Mayweather you need to have @ least one of 2 things to work with in your arsenal. Cant be a strict counter puncher like JMM was, Cant just bull foward and throw ( Gatti and Hatton) and you cant just bea kid who has huge muscles with no boxing smarts (Ortiz) yo need tohave what these 2 had and heres why: Castillo: He put Mayweather on the ropes and went to work on his body, his arms, his head, anywhere he could land he'd throw. and Floyd knew damned well that he got a gift in that 1st fight which is why he gave the rematch right away.Then there was De La Hoya in 2007. Oscar was winning with his jab and like Castillo throwing the punches wherever there was a slight opening when Floyd would be on ropes.Then for whatever reason he abandoned the jab and got his a$$ kicked. Now who in the last 10 years of boxing would you not want to be throwing heavy body shots on you when you are on the ropes? Even if hits his shoulders, elbows, whatever. Its obvi Cotto. Also Cotto had shown time and time again that he has an amazing Jab along with good boxing sence.Im not saying MG or FM will win. Basically what im saying is there is no way in hell Floyd is just going to have his way with Cotto and if there is one person who will give Floyd a hell of a great fight besides MP, its Cotto
Mayweather beat castillo fair and square the 1st fight and beat him again just for the doubters..Floyd even went southpaw on him in the 1st fight. castillo couldnt do anything in the center of the ring and Floyd was just rope-a-doping castillo. as for delahoya that "jab" wasnt doin ****..and he actually made oscar look amature like. "basically" wut im sayin is that Floyd will have his way with cotto (and im rican) and mp would get TKO'D if he take that drug test AND take the most money he will EVER make that Floyd offered him.
manny pacquiao i sthe blueprint
floyds defense vs straight left = laughable
floyd would adopt the earmuffs and try to pressure pacquiao and get wrecked
Definitely spot on. I don't think Manny is the blueprint though. Believe it or not, I think that Floyd would block most of Manny's other effective punches, but Manny's straight left hand and maybe the right hook would connect constantly. Manny hasn't fought an opponent that know how to calculate/measuring punching distance better than Floyd. Not, Cotto, JMM, Clottey, Mosley, ect. I think Bradley is underrated when it comes to that, but he's still not better than Floyd at it.
If the Oscar fight was a blueprint to how to beat Mayweather...Then Floyd is just flat out unbeatable.
That's what I'm saying! There's a reason why he couldn't keep it up all 12 rds. Floyd is a master at making adjustments during fights. There's a reason why castillo,judah,hatton,mosley and whoever else have LIMITED success. Once Floyd hits the switch he doesn't lose a rd.
Look at the punch stats.oscar jabbed more in the second half then he did during the first half.floyd just adjusted to his jab and started countering him more which creates the ilusion that oscar stopped throwing it.
manny pacquiao i sthe blueprint
floyds defense vs straight left = laughable
floyd would adopt the earmuffs and try to pressure pacquiao and get wrecked
Juan Manuel Marquez.
For the life of me I can't figure out why Oscar De La Hoya's left hook hasn't been pointed out as the reason why his jab wasn't immediately taken away.
It is what Oscar has really been feared for and what he didn't use enough during his twilight.
Mayweather's plan coming in had to have included neutralizing the left hook first and foremost so you have to weather some jabs to see whether your opponent is just trying to set up the hook.
He was not. That led to him getting outboxed.
Castillo's formula will work for any problem that comes in not conditioned to deal with a heavier, heavy handed opponent that is relentless. These types of fighters rarely do well in rematches: margarito-cotto, andrade-bute, castillo-floyd
Cotto won't be able to apply it this fight. Cotto doesn't bull forward. He steps to his opponent and squares up to throw punches.
The first two rounds will decide everything. It will show how they truly match up and how Floyd plans to take away Cotto's offense. If Cotto can't avoid the straight right, Floyd will begin walking him down mid-way through the fourth round. IF Cotto is slow on his feet AND can't avoid that straight right? The combinations emerge and its an extremely short night.
To beat Mayweather - Cotto must fight in a combination like he did vs. Judah and Mosley. Mayweather already has adjusted to the Castillo and DeLaHoya attack...
Cotto will need to combine both seek and destroy along with intelligent situation boxing..... Keep may on his toes and switch south paw every now and then.
Mayweather is really really good at defense but when your really really good at something, sometimes, you will lack in other things... Cotto will need to do his homework and identify those things....
manny pacquiao i sthe blueprint
floyds defense vs straight left = laughable
floyd would adopt the earmuffs and try to pressure pacquiao and get wrecked
I don't see how people think Mayweather-De La Hoya is a blueprint to beat him, because that fight was way way way closer on the cards than it should have been. After the first 6 rounds, which were about even in rounds, Floyd cruised and won the last 6 rounds. Floyd won 117-111/116-112 by a comfortable UD.
His only true close fight was Mayweather-Castillo I, where I had Castillo winning by 1 point watching it live.
Castillo had Floyd backing up, cut the ring off and apllied effective pressure, and didn't let Floyd get into any sort of rhythm after thie first 4-5 rounds at all. He just kept him on the ropes, and enver allowed Floyd to do what he does. Oscar got Floyd backing up, and cut the ring off at times, but didn't much while he got Floyd on those ropes. Floyd fights well off the ropes, and was tagging Oscar a lot off the ropes. And then Floyd cruised the 2nd half of the fight rather easily. Oscar also didn't remember what a jab was after the first 5-6 rounds. Floyd had something to do with that though, because he's very effective and countering someone's jab, which is probably why people abandon that at points during their fights with Floyd.
To beat Floyd, you can't try and box with him, because you aren't going to beat Floyd boxing in the middle of the ring. You can't let him walk you down, because then you have no shot as well. You can't get him backing up but then fail to cut off the ring or apply effective pressure, what Ortiz struggled with during their fight.
You have to do what Castillo did in the first fight, that's the most solid plan on how to beat him.
The Blue Print on how to beat Mayweather is remember to jab.
Because of course, Oscar, the 10+ year Veteran suddenly forgot to jab half way through one of the biggest fights of his career. Everyone knows that.
I also heard on here that the blueprint on how to beat Mayweather is simple pressure.
there is a huge reason people stop jabbing with floyd.its called his pull counter.....but i guess ya'll miss that part.and how is 2 loses a blue print on how to win??
Oscar was using his jab throughout the night, he couldn't do anything once Floyd took his jab away. And, what makes it worse is that Floyd was in cruise control the whole night.
You gotta say this louder cause they don't hear you or should I mean type this in a bigger font with bright colors. You know we will get at least 3 more threads stating the samething before May 5.
TS, you are going to be disappointed on May 5th. Those fights may have been the blueprint then. If Floyd has seen it already, he's digested it and put it into the memory banks for storage. You only get a one time application with those techniques with him and in the case of Oscar, Floyd took that jab away because of that overhand right. Make mistakes, you pay with Floyd. Floyd is going to be faster and quite possibly, stronger in the fight but most assuredly with nearly every physical and mental attribute in his favor.
Based on your reasoning and views of this fight, how do you see it resulting ?
Pretty obvious that you are a mayweather fan, understandable, he is quite possibly the best at what he does today.
But it seems as tho you see mayweather coasting in this fight very easily (I may have missed a thread of your breakdown of this fight)..... Do you honestly think it will be that easy ?
He's going up against a hall of fame bound boxer-puncher. (The best, most talented fighter thats closest to his prime on his resume in the past 4-5 years)
i'm just curious as to how you break it down..... care to share ?
Hearns is a giant compared to Floyd , and the WW Hearns would need to land bombs clean ones and thats not easy to do on Floyd , Hearns was a a bully and if you could get around that he was fallible , great fighter though loved him .
The first Castillo fight Floyd carried an injury so you cant look at the fight on its own , you must blend it with the second Castillo fight to be fair and that shows Floyd handled him easy without an injury , its relevant .
Lol people think that just because someone can punch hard they are a bully. Hearns could and did box, Hearns had an impeccable jab and set his punches up, Hearns had good movement and most important to the Floyd v Hearns discussion is the his size.
Floyd would not be able to effectively evade Hearns' punches at least not mid/long range as he would be able to pick his shots and punch over his guard.
The ole "if he only kept jabbing Floyd he would have won" argument...
HAHA where does the jab magically go?
Floyd takes it away with his counter-punching genius
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