So what??? Thats nowhere near floyd, pac, or cotto numbers and about what the ufc's better cards do.
Which goes right along with my point. While boxing will always have a couole of cash cows who do extremely well....boxing as a whole doesnt come anywhere close to ****ting on mma. The ufc just recently sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in canada for gsp. Thats more people than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
LOL you said no boxer can sell more than 250k besides the top 3 biggest draws. You were obviously wrong because Gamboa vs Rios would have done more than that.
People aren't coming just to see GSP, they bought tickets for the whole UFC event with like 9-10 fights on the same night involving many of the big names. GSP wouldn't sell that many tickets on his own, he wouldn't sell as many tickets as Bute and Pascal do if he was the headliner and there was only one or two undercard fights.
please elaborate on how that was any different from boxing. the ufc focuses their sales pitch only on headliner fights just like boxing. And just like the ufc, boxing uses double headers, hot prospects and a plethora of hometown favorites to boost sales.
The UFC focuses their marketing on the brand while boxing events are built around the headliners. UFC events are named "UFC 95" "UFC 108", etc. while boxing events are named after the fighters "Mayweather vs Cotto" "Pacquiao vs Bradley". You're comparing individual boxers with an entire promotion company.
I never suggested such a thing and it is irrelevant to my point.
My point is if you're talking boxing vs mma then you have to look past skewed statistics.
So what if boxing has 2-3 guys thatll consistently do more ppv buys than all of mma put together?? Youre talking about a sport with a 250plus yr history which can be held as a standard as to why what these 2-3 guys are doing is important and historic as opposed to a 20something yr old sport thats still not even sanctioned in nearly 30states. just because certain boxers enjoy massive success is no indication of mma's failure.
Looking past that....as you said...boxing is represented by much more than its 2-3 cash cows. As it stands right now noone else in boxing is capable of selling more than 250,000 buys. The survival of the sport will be assured whether or not they ever exceed that threshhold. The same argument could be made for mma because despite the recent drop in ratings the ufc still consistently outsells everyone in boxing that isnt floyd, pac or cotto
plenty of guys could sell that with proper promotion and time to build them up. which is part of promotion but u wouldnt get it if i left it out.
the top 40 boxers make more then the top 40 mma guys. any way whatever. mma sucks to watch and the fighters look like gays when they wrestle. say whatever you want about that opinion but tons of people say the exact thing. a lot of people dont like it.
its a fad and i think it already peaked. they'll get guys here and there who get a buzz but they all get beat. you think wrestling is worried dying? there's always a place for all three. and if some southie moron comes along and starts a head butting league that catches on theres room for that to.
Isn't he from Canada though? I bet Pacquiao can sell out a 65k seat stadium in the Phillipines.
Sure. But marquez only drew 25000 in his hometown. Martinez and donaire could fight on the same card and be lucky to sell that many tickets anywhere. So once again...boxing will always have a couple stars that transcend mainstream. But 5act of the matter is mma is extremely competitive with everyone else in boxing. Including 3rd -5th best fighters in the worls.
When you ONE mma fight generates what ONE boxing fight does talk to me.Better yet I will give you a few examples Dempsey vs Tonney,Tyson vs. Holyfield. Ali vs Foreman.Pacman vs Marquez,Delahoya vs Mayweather.NOBODY bought these for the undercard man.Boxing fans are not even seated for the undercards.
Do you even know wtf you're talking about??? All your examples are the exception in noxing. Not the norm.
So what dlh vs mayweather broke the ppv record??? Boxing has a 250yr headstart on mma. Good for them. But that same year there were over a dozen other boxing ppv events. NONE of which sold more than any given ufc ppv that same year.
As a matter of fact gsp sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in montreal just a bit over a year ago. More than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
Isn't he from Canada though? I bet Pacquiao can sell out a 65k seat stadium in the Phillipines.
So what??? Thats nowhere near floyd, pac, or cotto numbers and about what the ufc's better cards do.
Which goes right along with my point. While boxing will always have a couole of cash cows who do extremely well....boxing as a whole doesnt come anywhere close to ****ting on mma. The ufc just recently sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in canada for gsp. Thats more people than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
When you ONE mma fight generates what ONE boxing fight does talk to me.Better yet I will give you a few examples Dempsey vs Tonney,Tyson vs. Holyfield. Ali vs Foreman.Pacman vs Marquez,Delahoya vs Mayweather.NOBODY bought these for the undercard man.Boxing fans are not even seated for the undercards.
So what??? Thats nowhere near floyd, pac, or cotto numbers and about what the ufc's better cards do.
Which goes right along with my point. While boxing will always have a couole of cash cows who do extremely well....boxing as a whole doesnt come anywhere close to ****ting on mma. The ufc just recently sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in canada for gsp. Thats more people than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
You do understand that you are putting up a whole league against 3 fighters right?Can GSP just him by himself sell that stadium out?he needs an army of mma fighters(UFC) the best once in the world to help him.In boxing you sell a PPV with just one fight most of the people are not even seated until the main event to watch the fight that they paid for.
As a matter of fact gsp sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in montreal just a bit over a year ago. More than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
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You didnt understand my original post.HE did not by himself sell out an arena IT WAS A LEAGUE(UFC) with the best mma fighters in the world not GSP by himself.
In boxing ONE fight does that.NO way anyone would show up for ONE MMA fight.
please elaborate on how that was any different from boxing. the ufc focuses their sales pitch only on headliner fights just like boxing. And just like the ufc, boxing uses double headers, hot prospects and a plethora of hometown favorites to boost sales.
So you'd have to be a serious fool to think gsp didnt sell 80%or more of those 65,000 tickets based on his name alone. If it was truly the ufc as a whole then all their events would do gate that big and they dont. They have minor cards just like boxing thatll be lucky to sell 2,000 tickets
As a matter of fact gsp sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in montreal just a bit over a year ago. More than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
You didnt understand my original post.HE did not by himself sell out an arena IT WAS A LEAGUE(UFC) with the best mma fighters in the world not GSP by himself.
In boxing ONE fight does that.NO way anyone would show up for ONE MMA fight.
You do understand that you are putting up a whole league against 3 fighters right?Can GSP just him by himself sell that stadium out?he needs an army of mma fighters(UFC) the best once in the world to help him.In boxing you sell a PPV with just one fight most of the people are not even seated until the main event to watch the fight that they paid for.
As a matter of fact gsp sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in montreal just a bit over a year ago. More than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
I never suggested such a thing and it is irrelevant to my point.
My point is if you're talking boxing vs mma then you have to look past skewed statistics.
So what if boxing has 2-3 guys thatll consistently do more ppv buys than all of mma put together?? Youre talking about a sport with a 250plus yr history which can be held as a standard as to why what these 2-3 guys are doing is important and historic as opposed to a 20something yr old sport thats still not even sanctioned in nearly 30states. just because certain boxers enjoy massive success is no indication of mma's failure.
Looking past that....as you said...boxing is represented by much more than its 2-3 cash cows. As it stands right now noone else in boxing is capable of selling more than 250,000 buys. The survival of the sport will be assured whether or not they ever exceed that threshhold. The same argument could be made for mma because despite the recent drop in ratings the ufc still consistently outsells everyone in boxing that isnt floyd, pac or cotto
You do understand that you are putting up a whole league against 3 fighters right?Can GSP just him by himself sell that stadium out?he needs an army of mma fighters(UFC) the best once in the world to help him.In boxing you sell a PPV with just one fight most of the people are not even seated until the main event to watch the fight that they paid for.
Gamboa vs Rios would have done 400/500k easy.
So what??? Thats nowhere near floyd, pac, or cotto numbers and about what the ufc's better cards do.
Which goes right along with my point. While boxing will always have a couole of cash cows who do extremely well....boxing as a whole doesnt come anywhere close to ****ting on mma. The ufc just recently sold out a 65,000 seat stadium in canada for gsp. Thats more people than were in attendance for pacquiao in cowboy stadium.
u do realize Boxing was always basically like this throughout the ppv age with Tyson,Holyfield,Lewis and Chavez Sr. people act like whenever the superstars retire there will be no one else to fill their shoes. (Canelo Alvarez, Broner, Dulorme.) When (any star in Boxing) retires boxing is dead. Oscar retired, Tyson retired, Ali retired the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on
I never suggested such a thing and it is irrelevant to my point.
My point is if you're talking boxing vs mma then you have to look past skewed statistics.
So what if boxing has 2-3 guys thatll consistently do more ppv buys than all of mma put together?? Youre talking about a sport with a 250plus yr history which can be held as a standard as to why what these 2-3 guys are doing is important and historic as opposed to a 20something yr old sport thats still not even sanctioned in nearly 30states. just because certain boxers enjoy massive success is no indication of mma's failure.
Looking past that....as you said...boxing is represented by much more than its 2-3 cash cows. As it stands right now noone else in boxing is capable of selling more than 250,000 buys. The survival of the sport will be assured whether or not they ever exceed that threshhold. The same argument could be made for mma because despite the recent drop in ratings the ufc still consistently outsells everyone in boxing that isnt floyd, pac or cotto
You do realize that aside from floyd, pac, and cotto ppvs there is noone else in boxing that can sell ppv if their life depended on it right?? Even latin fury cards with chavez jr only tkp out at roughly 250,000 buys which is on par with what the ufc does.
Gamboa vs Rios would have done 400/500k easy.
I said MMA didn't I? But if you want to go there, they are providing most of the urges with fights people want to see. Something boxing is lacking.
There is one huge fight in mma that everyone wants to see and thats GSP v Silva and why doesnt that happen? Because dana dont want to lose one of his biggest cash cows.
As you can see for such a young sport mma already has the same problems, it will only get worse.
Im not hating I also like mma but I think you are blind to the faults that mma has already.
I like MMA but truth be told most of the people I know who watch it are hipster shrimps who do so because they grew up watching WWE and are entertained by the 'clash of characters' drama it promotes.. MMA has a very immature audience whereas most people who watch boxing have a more profound and meaningful interest in the sport.
this pretty much sums it up right now. i would like to add that i love the fact i can watch BOTH with great pleasure! i have friends that only watch one or the other... feel sorry for them. boxing is my 1 and mma a close 2nd.
You do realize that aside from floyd, pac, and cotto ppvs there is noone else in boxing that can sell ppv if their life depended on it right?? Even latin fury cards with chavez jr only tkp out at roughly 250,000 buys which is on par with what the ufc does.
u do realize Boxing was always basically like this throughout the ppv age with Tyson,Holyfield,Lewis and Chavez Sr. people act like whenever the superstars retire there will be no one else to fill their shoes. (Canelo Alvarez, Broner, Dulorme.) When (any star in Boxing) retires boxing is dead. Oscar retired, Tyson retired, Ali retired the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on