Bute....

ref was garbage but bute made the count. He did but the ref was in no position to see that and the bell never rang to officially end the fight. The ref had no idea how much time was left and made it clear he would have waved it off if he hadn't found a reason to turn around... this was my initial point but too many people think I'm a fan of Andrade and actually cared about who won... I don't. I have a problem with the ref turning in the middle of the fight when a fighter is out on his feet. Then tells everyone he would have stopped the fight if he hadn't turned around. In which he had no reason to turn around in the first place.

Yeah but I still favor him, Kessler is experienced yet Direll since being out of the ring would be a toss up vs Bute. Understandable.....

ref was garbage but bute made the count.

Kessler hasn't done anything since his win over Froch...... Since then he's been injury riddled.... The one win since 2010 hasn't convinced me he still has it at world level.... Kessler of old- Sure/Maybe Old Kessler- Nah Yeah but I still favor him, Kessler is experienced yet Direll since being out of the ring would be a toss up vs Bute.

Kessler? Come on... Dirrell vs Bute would be a fight to see as that would be a 50/50 IMO as Dirrell has been out of the ring... Ward, Kessler and Froch beat Bute.... Kessler hasn't done anything since his win over Froch...... Since then he's been injury riddled.... The one win since 2010 hasn't convinced me he still has it at world level.... Kessler of old- Sure/Maybe Old Kessler- Nah

Do you really think that he was going to wave off this fight when Bute beat the 10 count... No way in hell!!! Go watch the post fight interview. He said it like three times that Andrade lost because he left his corner.. That means the only way Andrade could have won in that situation is if Wright waved it off... in which he made it clear he would have done IF he hadn't found a reason to turn around.

He could have... but the fact is he turned away, the bell never rang and then post fight said Andrade specifically lost because he left his corner (that tells me he would have waved it off before Bute even got all the way up). It is what it is. I couldn't care any less on who actually won the fight. Neither of them are that good. My point was the actions of the ref turning for no reason when he was about to wave off the fight in favor of the other guy. At least thats what he expressed post fight. Do you really think that he was going to wave off this fight when Bute beat the 10 count... No way in hell!!!

Ward- Sure Kessler- Nah Froch- I hope Kessler? Come on... Dirrell vs Bute would be a fight to see as that would be a 50/50 IMO as Dirrell has been out of the ring... Ward, Kessler and Froch beat Bute....

I wouldn't give much credence to what was said at the post fight conference, he was under the gun and had to say something that would appease the Andrade team. I'm willing to bet that if he looked at it now with a clear head he would have agree that the bell keeper ****ed up and by the IBF rules Bute should have been declared the winner. He could have... but the fact is he turned away, the bell never rang and then post fight said Andrade specifically lost because he left his corner (that tells me he would have waved it off before Bute even got all the way up). It is what it is. I couldn't care any less on who actually won the fight. Neither of them are that good. My point was the actions of the ref turning for no reason when he was about to wave off the fight in favor of the other guy. At least thats what he expressed post fight.

Ward- Sure Kessler- Nah Froch- I hope

It's funny because some of the people advocating the Taylor-Chavez stoppage with 2 seconds left are saying it's ok for the fight to continue here and vice versa. Talk about contradicting stuff going on. You're the second person who's said that but I haven't seen these people you're talking about... at least not on this thread. Is there another thread that has people (in this thread) contracting themselves about the situation?

The point I'm making is Wright made it clear that he would have waved it off if Andrade would have stayed in his corner. Now WHEN he would have waved it off is arguable. I see your point and everyone else's about the IBF rules. I have from the start. However the problem I have is, Wright was too involved with Andrade to see Bute get up to even make the count (and still no bell) and from the post fight interview was looking to stop the fight if Andrade wouldn't have left his corner (in which he never did to begin with). I wouldn't give much credence to what was said at the post fight conference, he was under the gun and had to say something that would appease the Andrade team. I'm willing to bet that if he looked at it now with a clear head he would have agree that the bell keeper ****ed up and by the IBF rules Bute should have been declared the winner.

I know what you're saying, but if the final bell rings as soon as Bute hits the floor (Which is what was supposed to happen), do you think Wright turns to warn Andrade? The point I'm making is Wright made it clear that he would have waved it off if Andrade would have stayed in his corner. Now WHEN he would have waved it off is arguable. I see your point and everyone else's about the IBF rules. I have from the start. However the problem I have is, Wright was too involved with Andrade to see Bute get up to even make the count (and still no bell) and from the post fight interview was looking to stop the fight if Andrade wouldn't have left his corner (in which he never did to begin with).

He didn't know how much time was left. It was a fail on both the time keeper and ref. However the ref is the man in charge. He found a reason to turn away from a hurt fighter, nearly 24 seconds go by and he allows him to continue on. He also made it perfectly clear that if Andarde had stayed in his corner he would have won. The only way you can take that is, if Wright wouldn't have had a reason to turn around, he would have waved it of. I know what you're saying, but if the final bell rings as soon as Bute hits the floor (Which is what was supposed to happen), do you think Wright turns to warn Andrade?

This is one of the reasons behind my thinking that Bute ducked the Super Six. Shortly, after his fight with Andrade talks happened for the Super Six. I don't think Bute's Team were willing enough to want him to compete in a tourney with 6 of the best supermiddles in the world (who can all hit just as hard as Andrade, if not better), after getting knocked down badly in the 12th round of his last fight. Simple logic tells you Bute and his team wanted no part in competing in the Super Middleweight Tourney. Instead, they'd rather have him fight a couple of tune ups, to get his confidence back up, improve his chin - sit on the sidelines and watch the best tear each other up - then when the dust settles, challenge the battle worn winner. I don't remember the reasoning but I don't remember thinking it was considered a duck when the names of the super six being announced. However he wouldn't have made it very far but he would have been a better pick than Taylor, AA, Green or Johnson.

The problem is whovever was in charge of the bell that night was wrong as hell, the bell should've rung as soon as the time hit triple zero's regardless of the KD, but they didn't, they waited until the ref finished his count. Another thing is, I never heard was the 10 second warning, Wright could've made a good case of not knowing how much time was left in the fight, and that's why he kept telling Andrade to retun to his corner, even tho I thought that it was unnecessary. At first I was accusing him of stealing the fight from Andrade, but the more I look at, the more I can tell that he just didn't know how much time was left in the fight, which was time keepers fault. He didn't know how much time was left. It was a fail on both the time keeper and ref. However the ref is the man in charge. He found a reason to turn away from a hurt fighter, nearly 24 seconds go by and he allows him to continue on. He also made it perfectly clear that if Andarde had stayed in his corner he would have won. The only way you can take that is, if Wright wouldn't have had a reason to turn around, he would have waved it of.

It doesn't matter if the ref was looking at Bute or not. Count for yourself. Bute got up before the count of 10. Even if the ref was looking at him and felt he was very hurt, I don't think he should stop it on the basis of "the fighter is in no condition to continue" because there is nothing to continue to.........it's the end of the fight. It isn't like Bute is in danger of taking more punches after this. That is how I see it The ref didn't know how many seconds where left on the clock as he is not the time keeper. He didn't know if he would have taken more punishment or not as he went as far to clean Bute's gloves to continue on fighting (nearly 24 seconds later). The problem I have is the ref said Andrade lost because he left his corner. The only way you can translate this is, he would have waved it off because Bute was hurt too badly to continue.

and like I said the bell didn't ring until the ref cleared Bute fit to fight. However the ref left his position and turned away from Bute (bell never rang) and he then continued the long count. Like the ref said in the post fight interview, if Andrade had stayed in his corner he would have won.. You would have to assume from that, he would have flagged it off if he hadn't turned around.. The problem is whovever was in charge of the bell that night was wrong as hell, the bell should've rung as soon as the time hit triple zero's regardless of the KD, but they didn't, they waited until the ref finished his count. Another thing is, I never heard was the 10 second warning, Wright could've made a good case of not knowing how much time was left in the fight, and that's why he kept telling Andrade to retun to his corner, even tho I thought that it was unnecessary. At first I was accusing him of stealing the fight from Andrade, but the more I look at, the more I can tell that he just didn't know how much time was left in the fight, which was time keepers fault.

Bute beat the count and so he rightfully won because it was the end of the fight. Some butthurt people like to clutch at straws. Anyways, I have Bute beating Froch and setting up the big fight with Ward. Beating the count was irreverent as the ref turned away and stopped the count and the bell never officially rang to end the round when Bute rose to his feet. The bottom line is, the fight was still active when the ref turned away which was well after the 2 seconds that remained on the clock and according to the ref, if he hadn't turned away from Bute who was visibly hurt, Andrade would have won. The fight is not over until the bell rings or the ref flags it off. Neither happened in this fight until the ref took nearly 24 seconds to allow Bute to recover.

It doesn't matter if the ref was looking at Bute or not. Count for yourself. Bute got up before the count of 10. Even if the ref was looking at him and felt he was very hurt, I don't think he should stop it on the basis of "the fighter is in no condition to continue" because there is nothing to continue to.........it's the end of the fight. It isn't like Bute is in danger of taking more punches after this. That is how I see it