Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

Definitely Arum. Also Floyd turned down 25 mil in a rematch against Hoya. He was pretty much done with boxing at that point.

So you're saying that everything I posted about Arum, De La Hoya...etc is all opinions? I back it up with articles and quotes. You have more of an opinion than me. you can simply look up everything I have been posting on here from the jump but your opinion is that Floyd ducked Cotto and you cannot prove that he did but I can prove that he pushed for the fight with Cotto and Margarito. Are you denying this? As a matter a fact don't even answer because we are just going in circles. So Hatton didn't take the mic after he beat Castillo and call out Mayweather? Is that what you are telling me? Don't answer because you are going to make up some non sense to try to prove me wrong but it happened. Cotto never did that AT ALL. I stated a while back that it was my opinion, I'm not trying to pass anything off as fact. Unless you magically got in the mind of Mayweather, you're doing the same. There was a time Mayweather pursued Cotto, and there was a time he *****ed out with a bunch of gay ass excuses. That is a fact. I already broke the Hatton scenario down to you, I'm not going to post it again. I bet you believe that Mayweather came out of retirement because Marquez called him out too. Oh jeez, you're so gullible.

The only reason the fight is happening now is because Mayweather put Cotto on his list of opponents. Something he didn't do in the past, in fact Mayweather did the total opposite and came up with bull**** excuses. What part of that don't you get. Right, same way you proved Hatton pushed for a Mayweather fight. give me a break. You haven't proved anything. The only thing you're doing is voicing your opinion, making excuses and assumptions. End the story telling. So you're saying that everything I posted about Arum, De La Hoya...etc is all opinions? I back it up with articles and quotes. You have more of an opinion than me. you can simply look up everything I have been posting on here from the jump but your opinion is that Floyd ducked Cotto and you cannot prove that he did but I can prove that he pushed for the fight with Cotto and Margarito. Are you denying this? As a matter a fact don't even answer because we are just going in circles. So Hatton didn't take the mic after he beat Castillo and call out Mayweather? Is that what you are telling me? Don't answer because you are going to make up some non sense to try to prove me wrong but it happened. Cotto never did that AT ALL.

WRONG because Cotto said if he could not get a fight with Manny Pacquiao because of the weight issues then he would fight FloydMayweather Jr. Everything I said happened EXACTLY how it went and is recorded in the history books. No one can prove that Floyd ducked/avoided Cotto but I can prove that he didn't. End of story. The only reason the fight is happening now is because Mayweather put Cotto on his list of opponents. Something he didn't do in the past, in fact Mayweather did the total opposite and came up with bull**** excuses. What part of that don't you get. Right, same way you proved Hatton pushed for a Mayweather fight. give me a break. You haven't proved anything. The only thing you're doing is voicing your opinion, making excuses and assumptions. End the story telling.

I don't think Cotto pushed the fight like Hatton did, no. I don't think Hatton was as much of a threat like Cotto was either, "at the time". I think the Hatton fight was easier to make with less of a risk than Cotto, yes. Hatton just wanted it more. Less risk or not, in Hatton eyes, he believed that he could win. Hatton beat Tsyzu and Castillo and felt he was ready. Even though both weren't at their best those were still good wins for Hatton. Cotto was just content with Bob lining up the fights. Looking forward to the fight on May 5th.

I don't think Cotto pushed the fight like Hatton did, no. I don't think Hatton was as much of a threat like Cotto was either, "at the time". I think the Hatton fight was easier to make with less of a risk than Cotto, yes. I can't speak on 2005/2006 because I already agreed with the fact that Mayweather tried to fight him then. But as far as your question about should Mayweather have acceptingly waited for Cotto to get better, yes. I think that Mayweather should've let Cotto get better before he fought him; I mean let's face it. Today, Mayweather mentions in all his interviews that he wants to fight Cotto at 154 because he wants the best Cotto. Well if he wanted the best Cotto, early 2008 was the time to fight him. That said, why would Mayweather mention Cotto's fan base in 2008 for a more experienced Cotto, but not 2006 for a less experienced Cotto? I remember Roger Mayweather said in an interview that if Cotto got past Margarito then a fight with Floyd could get made and that was in 08. I don't think no version of Cotto would ever beat Floyd. A prime undefeated Cotto squeaked past a 36 year old Mosley in 2007. That's not a threat to Floyd in my opinion. Collazo fought to the end with a broken hand with Shane.

It's hard to say. I think Mayweather avoided the fight, but who knows what went on behind closed doors.

First off you called me "Glust" you should go and read your post before you start talking reckless like I'm bugging. 2nd I can care less about whether you called him a duck or not. My whole thing is that dudes come on here and change things around to suit their opinions and try to make someone who is actually telling $H!t the way it happened like he is bugging. You're right, Iam a grown man and that's why I don't act like a sucker and make things up. What was I making up? The fact that Floyd and Margo had spoke about fighting prior to the Gomez fight? Then Margo went on a very long lay off do to injuries (Then fought Clottey, and then Williams). That is all I stated. I also stated that as a Margo fan, I wish Floyd picked Margo. After the Zab loss to Baldie, I figured that is what he should have done (and it mattered to ME then). He didn't, I had, and still have no problem with that. Some Fans (not you) like to make it seem as if Margo was going to fight Paul, and if he won than that was that...The Floyd fight would be made. Margo and Floyd danced around a fight for awhile before Paul Willaims was my only point. Wasn't calling you, or anyone in this topic wrong. I poked fun at Williams fans/Floyd fans cause for years they used the lost to Williams to justify Floyd not picking Margo. I just pointed out the talks were well before the Williams fight. That's it. I will admit, I just woke up to this, and may have overreacted. That's not my style. So my bad Grustler, but I wasn't trying to prove anything, except the fact that the talks between Floyd and Margo started in 2006...Also pointed out that you had covered almost all of the situation. I also said I agreed with it. Lastly, I also stated why do people even bring this stuff up anymore? Why does it matter? That's right, it doesn't.

Here's my opinionated theory. Is Broner ready to fight Mayweather right now? Will he possibly be ready in a few years? Was Canelo ready to fight Martinez a few years ago? Will he possibly be ready in a few years? I think Mayweather was willing to fight Cotto when Cotto was still in the early learning stages. We all knew that. The Cotto that beat Mosley in 2007 had officially arrived and was ready. This is when Mayweather said no mas. That said, I still think Mayweather would've beat Cotto; but in my opinion, Cotto was at the top of his game early 2008, not 2006 when Mayweather wanted the fight. That's how I see it. Do you agree that Cotto never pushed for the fight either around that time? I still find what you are saying illogical because Cotto was the WBO light WW champion when Floyd moved up from 135, so how was he in his learning stages? Cotto was a champion defending his title successfully. I hear you but in your opinion, you are saying that Mayweather had to wait for Cotto to get better in order for the fight to happen and since it didn't happen later, Mayweather is the one who said no mas? Cotto wasn't ready but Mayweather was the one ducking? Can't cosign that one.

No need to read any of that...As I stated, I don't care. Never called Floyd a duck for Margo or Cotto...Never will. Second, If I'm going to address you? Who the **** are you? I had a bit of respect for you, and have never had a problem with you. Clearly the internet is serious work for you. Sorry Grust, If I didn't provide you with the respect of your full name as I addressed you....:slap: And your supposed to be a grown man...Get real. Plus, I just used your name in passing, I wasn't really addressing you anyway, and wasn't expecting a reply. First off you called me "Glust" you should go and read your post before you start talking reckless like I'm bugging. 2nd I can care less about whether you called him a duck or not. My whole thing is that dudes come on here and change things around to suit their opinions and try to make someone who is actually telling $H!t the way it happened like he is bugging. You're right, I am a grown man and that's why I don't act like a sucker and make things up.

If you are going to address me then get my name right. It's Grustler. Anyway,you guys are disregarding and over looking why the fight did not happen to try and throw salt on Floyd for not fighting Margarito. All of that came down to Arum not wanting to get Floyd the De La Hoya fight. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Once Floyd left Arum he got the Oscar De La Hoya fight. So if Arum would have guaranteed Floyd the 20MIL for Oscar and the guarantees on Hatton and Cotto then the fight would have happen. That's the real of it, not that he should or could have fought Margarito. Sure he could have but it wasn't in Arum's favor to get Floyd what he wanted in order to fight him so the fight didn't happen. I don't see any merit in saying Floyd could have fought Margarito because he was considered the tougher opponent but how can we know that for sure if Judah never fought Margarito? Who knows if Margarito would have won or not? Also, Zab had the IBF title and his word from Floyd that he would fight him. Where I am from your word means everything. I can't understand how so many people give Margarito credit by saying Floyd ducked him? Dude was/is overrated and he could have been cheating. I refuse to give him that much respect. Especially since he got boxed around by Paul Williams. Realistically, Zab Judah was a better fight commercially and financially. After trying to give a bit of respect, and read what you wrote...I just now have to words...***** PLEASE! The bold is as far as I got...Salt on Floyd? Clearly you have me confused. Have a blessed day!

If you are going to address me then get my name right. It's Grustler. Anyway,you guys are disregarding and over looking why the fight did not happen to try and throw salt on Floyd for not fighting Margarito. All of that came down to Arum not wanting to get Floyd the De La Hoya fight. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Once Floyd left Arum he got the Oscar De La Hoya fight. So if Arum would have guaranteed Floyd the 20MIL for Oscar and the guarantees on Hatton and Cotto then the fight would have happen. That's the real of it, not that he should or could have fought Margarito. Sure he could have but it wasn't in Arum's favor to get Floyd what he wanted in order to fight him so the fight didn't happen. I don't see any merit in saying Floyd could have fought Margarito because he was considered the tougher opponent but how can we know that for sure if Judah never fought Margarito? Who knows if Margarito would have won or not? Also, Zab had the IBF title and his word from Floyd that he would fight him. Where I am from your word means everything. I can't understand how so many people give Margarito credit by saying Floyd ducked him? Dude was/is overrated and he could have been cheating. I refuse to give him that much respect. Especially since he got boxed around by Paul Williams. Realistically, Zab Judah was a better fight commercially and financially. No need to read any of that...As I stated, I don't care. Never called Floyd a duck for Margo or Cotto...Never will. Second, If I'm going to address you? Who the **** are you? I had a bit of respect for you, and have never had a problem with you. Clearly the internet is serious work for you. Sorry Grust, If I didn't provide you with the respect of your full name as I addressed you....:slap: And your supposed to be a grown man...Get real. Plus, I just used your name in passing, I wasn't really addressing you anyway, and wasn't expecting a reply.

Grustler, I think you're confusing 2005/2006 with early 2008. I already agreed that Mayweather tried to make the Cotto fight in 2006. It's in the ESPN article that I posted a few pages back. I know this. Unfortunately, I'm not talking about 2006 right now; I'm talking about 2008, before Cotto fought Gomez and Margarito. Mayweather - Cotto fight was on the table. The public wanted it; everybody wanted it. All Mayweather had to say was the word. Instead, he chose to retire but still negotiate a 2nd fight with DLH. How can you be retired and still negotiating a fight? That tells me you still got the will to fight in you. But since I've answered your question about 2006 and we're on 2006, answer this question for me: 1. Was Cotto's fan base bigger in 2006 or early 2008 after the Mosley fight; How can Mayweather agree to fight Cotto in 2006, but turn around and deny Cotto the fight after he's coming off the biggest win of his career by saying Cotto doesn't have "a fan base"? Do you see what I'm saying? You don't even have to say Mayweather ducked Cotto; just admit that it's strange to accept a fight in 2006, but turn it down a year and a half later due to a guy's fan base; as if Cotto's fan base and resume were better in 2006 when you accepted the fight than early 2008. Do you see? Listen, all that sounds good but if Floyd was ready to fight Cotto when he was with Top Rank in 2006 but Arum didn't want the fight because Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd, then how does that translate to Floyd ducking Cotto in 2008? Arum/Cotto didn't want it when Floyd did. How does it mean that Floyd was ducking Cotto when he wanted to fight him 2 years prior? Doesn't make sense. How do you duck somebody that you were willing to fight but the guy wasn't ready for it? I admit that WE ALL wanted to see it back then but it didn't happen for whatever reason but to say Floyd duck Cotto is bias.

yes he did, and admittedly so it's still a decent win for him now but it woulda been a huge win if he fought Cotto when he shoulda done it it was one of boxing's biggest fights before now it's still a good event, but it's not really relevant anymore

fROM SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, from espn, from cnn, from maxboxing, from here, from doghouse, from everywhere. Everyone including the ring magazine had Margarito number 1 from 2004 to 2006. Who wouldn't have wanted to see that fight? I get why Floyd chose who he chose, but let's not pretend people didn't want this fight back then. Brian Kenny was also saying that Mayweather was trying to duck Carlos Baldomir.

Judah lost and got a gift fight against Floyd. Nothing should exonerate that. That was some shiit. I heard it was because contracts and tv dates were signed. There was call for Margarito-Mayweather all through 2006. It's 2012 now, nothing can change anything. I am out. From Bob Arum.

I know the video you're talking about. I wouldn't have so much of a problem if that was Mayweather's sole stance on the Cotto fight. The problem that greatly upset me at the time was the fact that Floyd had about 10 other reasons on top of that: 1. Cotto doesn't have a fan base. 2. He's transitioning to MMA. 3. Re-matching DLH. 4. Taking a vacation/needs a break. 5. Retiring. 6. There's no challenges in boxing right now. 7. Cotto isn't his own boss. On down the line. If Mayweather tried to negotiate with Arum and things didn't work out (like Mayweather vs Pac negotiations), that's one thing. But that's not what happen. Mayweather is his own boss so all he had to do is say the word, just like he's done with everyone else since separating. The problem is he never even attempted to negotiate or hear negotiations from Team Cotto due to the 7 reasons listed above. This is where I have a problem. Answer this question. How could Floyd be ducking Cotto when it is already on file in the history books of the sport that Cotto was not ready to fight Floyd when he was moving up from 135? Bob Arum did not want to make that fight. Was Cotto ducking Floyd? "We're looking for guys like Ricky Hatton and 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Mayweather. So you're seeing now the finishing touches on the emerging superstar, and in 2006 hopefully he will be able to claim the mantle of the real, real superstar." Hatton emerged as the recognized 140-pound champion with his TKO of Kostya Tszyu June 11. Mayweather, the pound-for-pound king who is also promoted by Arum, stopped Arturo Gatti to claim a junior welterweight title two weeks later. Cotto against either man would certainly qualify as a super fight, but before either match can be explored seriously, he has to keep winning." Bob Arum did not want to make that fight. How could people say Floyd ducked Cotto? Baffles me how Floyd could duck a guy who wasn't ready to fight him as a champion in a division Floyd was moving up to. Opinions on Cotto/Floyd are very bias in favor of Cotto.

Funny how Floyd fans have no problem justifying Margo's loss to Paul Williams, but stand firm on this... Anyway, I really don't care. Really I don't! I just still find it hard to believe people still bring this stuff up... For the record though (I think you and Glust have touch on it already), Margo and Floyd were in talks (no contract to fight, just talks) leading up to the Margo/Gomez fight...I think that was in 2006. Right around the Zab fight or whatever. Glust, I agree with most of the stuff you say, but Floyd should have chose Margo instead of Zab (after his loss to Baldi). Doesn't matter now, but it did then. If you are going to address me then get my name right. It's Grustler. Anyway,you guys are disregarding and over looking why the fight did not happen to try and throw salt on Floyd for not fighting Margarito. All of that came down to Arum not wanting to get Floyd the De La Hoya fight. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Once Floyd left Arum he got the Oscar De La Hoya fight. So if Arum would have guaranteed Floyd the 20MIL for Oscar and the guarantees on Hatton and Cotto then the fight would have happen. That's the real of it, not that he should or could have fought Margarito. Sure he could have but it wasn't in Arum's favor to get Floyd what he wanted in order to fight him so the fight didn't happen. I don't see any merit in saying Floyd could have fought Margarito because he was considered the tougher opponent but how can we know that for sure if Judah never fought Margarito? Who knows if Margarito would have won or not? Also, Zab had the IBF title and his word from Floyd that he would fight him. Where I am from your word means everything. I can't understand how so many people give Margarito credit by saying Floyd ducked him? Dude was/is overrated and he could have been cheating. I refuse to give him that much respect. Especially since he got boxed around by Paul Williams. Realistically, Zab Judah was a better fight commercially and financially.

What excuse? Cotto wasn't pushing for the fight back then, Mayweather was the man, fight never happened. Cotto wasn't pushing for the fight now, Mayweather is still the man, the fight is happening. According to your logic, the man shouldn't pursue the challenger, so why is the fight happening now? Was it not Mayweather who put Cotto on his list of opponents? Why, because Mayweather wants it. Same way if he wanted it then, he would have made an attempt to get it done then. Cotto could have gotten Arum on it, slapped Mayweather's momma with a brick. It doesn't mean **** if Mayweather doesn't want the fight. For your list of challengers who made a play for a champ and got the fight, I could make one just as big for those that didn't get the opportunity, no matter how much they begged. Do you think Hatton made a play for Mayweather, you're wrong, it's the other way around. Mayweather had his sights on Hatton before Hatton had his first Welterweight fight. Go watch the Sworn Enemies build up for Mayweather vs Judah, and you'll hear Mayweather talk about his desire to fight Hatton. Hatton vs. Mayweather didn't happen because Hatton clowned him(even though people always claim he called him out), it happened because Mayweather wanted it to happen. Stop pretending to not know how the sport works. WRONG because Cotto said if he could not get a fight with Manny Pacquiao because of the weight issues then he would fight FloydMayweather Jr. Everything I said happened EXACTLY how it went and is recorded in the history books. No one can prove that Floyd ducked/avoided Cotto but I can prove that he didn't. End of story.

Mayweather fought Hatton in December of 2007..... in February 2008 Cotto fought Alfonso Gomez :lol1:...in July of 2008 Cotto lost to Antonio Margarito. Please tell me how Mayweather retired to "duck" Cotto? After fighting Hatton on 2007 December Floyd fought again only on 2009 September, facing a puffed-up Marquez. If Floyd really wanted to fight Miguel, all he had to say to Larry Merchant after the Hatton fight was "let's make it happen" isn't it?