Steve Smoger had a hand in Devon's Alexander's victory last night !

I just finished seeing the fight specificly because of this thread. And i have to aggree that Steve Smoger was paid off. His refing was very bad and at the end of the fight i heard Foreman yeall, "no chesse on your chesseburger, Smoger!" Alexander should have gotten points taken away for so much holding. But, it was a tactic that worked for him. And i wouldn't be surprised if he got this idea from Shane Mosley as Mosley did the same to Margarito. So much holding...and Alexander won the fight with the holding makes you really think just how effective the old timers were. Fighters of the old age used a lot of hold hit (not all) and i have to say they would hang with these fighters today. Alexander got a good win, and we will see him hold and hit from now on as he shown its effective for him (rematch different ref, different fighter wins).

Clinching is part of the sport, it might be negative but it occurs in every fight because it's effective. It's good you teach the different defensive methods but if your fighting all the fluffy techniques go out the window. Mix that with coming against a guy like Maidana who only ever goes route 1, then you've got a fight with clinching. It wasn't excessive and I don't have anything more to say about it. Clinching occurs but it's different when it happens by chance of tangling up two fighters that want to fight rather than one guy looking to hold a guy as soon as he gets close. These techniques sure as hell aren't "fluffy". They are the skills used by real warriors and true skilled fighters such as Mayweather and Marquez. These guys don't clinch so they can inflict more damage with both hands. That's REAL fighting. You said that Khan-Peterson was excessive which it was and Alexander was even worse in this fight with Maidana.

There comes a time when we just need to give credit where its due. this i like maidana but he got dominated by Devon last night

Clinching is part of the sport, it might be negative but it occurs in every fight because it's effective. It's good you teach the different defensive methods but if your fighting, all the fluffy techniques go out the window. Mix that with coming against a guy like Maidana who only ever goes route 1, then you've got a fight with clinching. It wasn't excessive and I don't have anything more to say about it.

My panties are just fine. I'll try and explain what I ment by my comparison more clearly. The Khan vs Peterson fight was full of head-bore clinching and back of head rabbit punching, the ref was so poor in dealing with it that Khan resorted to pushing. There was standard clinching in Alexander vs Maidana but they were split swiftly by Smoger. If you've been in a ring before you'll know that clinching is often inevitable. This is where my take on the fight differs from yours. I see the clinching as being more a sign of Maidanas failure to adapt and test Alexander, than it being a negative tactic from Alexander. The facts are there but facts can be interpreted differently. The fact is that I've been in the ring plenty before and work with numerous coaches in my area. We teach defensive tactics such as slipping, parrying, blocking, proper head movement, footwork, rolling, catching with the seams, bumping with the palms. We don't base our defensive coaching on holding a guy for dear life when he gets close. It's illegal and ruins the entire flow of the sport. Alexander used holding as his defense which is not only illegal but very boring.

My panties are just fine. I'll try and explain what I ment by my comparison more clearly. The Khan vs Peterson fight was full of head-bore clinching and back of head rabbit punching, the ref was so poor in dealing with it that Khan resorted to pushing. There was standard clinching in Alexander vs Maidana but they were split swiftly by Smoger. If you've been in a ring before you'll know that clinching is often inevitable. This is where my take on the fight differs from yours. I see the clinching as being more a sign of Maidanas failure to adapt and test Alexander, than it being a negative tactic from Alexander. The facts are there but facts can be interpreted differently.

jesus christ he beat Maidianas ass pillar to post and ya'll are complaining?

if Smoger is doing the Khan vs Peterson II fight...Then Khan Is SCREWED! Because Smoger allows fighters to fight inside and he tells them out FIGHT OUT Fans can have it both ways, people B!TCH about Joe Cortez breaking the action too soon, then when a Ref stays the hell out of the way and force the fighters TO FIGHT, then fans B!TCH about the Ref not doing enough :nonono: Alexander wasn't the only one holding, Maidana was doing a lot of Holding and Grabbing As Well because Alexander Speed was giving him problems You could have let Maidana's FATHER Ref that fight...if anything if you take away the Clinching, Alexander probably STOPS MAIDANA!

I say again, I didn't think the clinching was too bad. Infact, if Maidana had been more effective inside there would have been way more holding. Accept that he was out-performed. Just like DempseyRollin said-> pot-kettle-black. You get the idea. I can't even decipher what the hell you're getting at. Of course its about what I think since its my mind that processes the fight. Just like your opinion that you are presenting fact, is just what YOU "think." Your desperately holding onto the excessive clinching line when it wasn't there, but like I said i'll watch the fight again and decide for myself if it was a massive issue like you are making out. He didn't clinch more than Khan vs Peterson and that's not what I ment either, that's you jumping to conclusions. I didn't say it was Khan doing the clinching. Relax. No need to get your panties in a bunch. All I'm clearly stating is that you stated that Khan-Peterson involved excessive clinching. I'm saying that the video footage clearly shows Alexander clinching Maidana more in their fight. This is no "thinking" or opinion based matter in this. It's fact with video to prove it. It was a weak strategy that was allowed to be implemented due to ****ty referees in boxing.

It's not about what you "think". It's about the fact that you stated that Khan clinched EXCESSIVELY against Peterson. If that's really what you think, then what do you have to say about Alexander actually clinching Maidana more? I can't even decipher what the hell you're getting at. Of course its about what I think since its my mind that processes the fight. Just like your opinion that you are presenting fact, is just what YOU "think." Your desperately holding onto the excessive clinching line when it wasn't there, but like I said i'll watch the fight again and decide for myself if it was a massive issue like you are making out. He didn't clinch more than Khan vs Peterson and that's not what I ment either, that's you jumping to conclusions. I didn't say it was Khan doing the clinching.

I say again, I didn't think the clinching was too bad. Infact, if Maidana had been more effective inside there would have been way more holding. Accept that he was out-performed. Just like DempseyRollin said-> pot-kettle-black. You get the idea. It's not about what you "think". It's about the fact that you stated that Khan clinched EXCESSIVELY against Peterson. If that's really what you think, then what do you have to say about Alexander actually clinching Maidana more?

You don't agree that Alexander clinched more? How can you when the video tells the truth? I say again, I didn't think the clinching was too bad. Infact, if Maidana had been more effective inside there would have been way more holding. Accept that he was out-performed. Just like DempseyRollin said-> pot-kettle-black. You get the idea.

Are you one of those guys who thinks Maidana is a good fighter or something? He has KO punching power and comes to fight (not last night) .... but is lacking in certain areas for sure and this is so obvious that it does not need to be explained .... all it took was a bit of holding from Alex and Maidana was history yesterday. Alexander had Maidana stumped/frustrated. No plan B from Maidana last night ...

Are you one of those guys who thinks Maidana is a good fighter or something?

You don't agree that Alexander clinched more? How can you when the video tells the truth?

Alexander actually clinched more against Maidana then Khan did against Peterson. Don't agree. Maybe you were rooting for the brothas? Lol come on man really? Just give Alexander his due. The three back head punches warranted a point deduction but that's not exactly swinging the 9-10 rounds he dominated. I like Maidana a heck of alot btw.

As has been said by lots of guys, it was simply a great display from Alexander. He soon figured how to punish Maidana and I was also suprised at how much he was prepared to go to war. Considering the questions about his heart from the Bradley fight he handled the guts part very well. There was a fair amount of holding but it was nothing to complain about. Smoger did a fine job and didn't let the holds go on for too long. I think there were a few occasions where he could have penalised for repeated rabbit punches behind the head in the clinch, but both guys were guilty of this. Maidana had plenty of opportunity to nail his man but was outclassed on the night. What I wonder is was Alexander's classy performance the reason Maidana was ineffective all fight, or, was the Maidana he faced a shot-Maidana. Let's not forget two of his last three fights have been 12 round wars and he has taken alot of punishment. Maybe there was too much, i'll have to view the fight again. My thoughts while watching were that it was a clinical performance from Alexander. Clinching normally pisses the hell out of me so not sure why I didn't register it too much. Khan vs Peterson fight...that was excessive holding. Alexander actually clinched more against Maidana then Khan did against Peterson. Maybe you were rooting for the brothas?

the funny thing is maidana is a hold and puch fighter. thats how he fights, esp when he gets tired. when he was doing it to khan many were cheering etc. now all of a sudden, holding is an issue. lol. boxing fans.

how about the forearm smash to the face? The 3 punches in the back of the head?

If last night wasn't excessive holding I don't know what is. Maybe there was too much, i'll have to view the fight again. My thoughts while watching were that it was a clinical performance from Alexander. Clinching normally pisses the hell out of me so not sure why I didn't register it too much. Khan vs Peterson fight...that was excessive holding.