Mayweather and Pacquiao's Top 10 wins

I don't think Clottey should be on that list. I put him because before that fight he was a good fighter..He just didn't come to fight.

I don't think Clottey should be on that list.

Floyd's Top 10 1.DLH - propelled floyd into stardom 2.Corraless- undeated supposed to beat floyd got destroyed 3.Gatti - not because he was prime but the manner in which the beating came. 4.Genaro Hernadez- Only defeated by prime floyd and DLH never beaten the way floyd beat him floyds first major fight. 5.Judah- Still solid fighter and the dislike from one another and faster 6. Augustas - Because the way the fight went he fought floyd hard (watch) 7.Castillo 2 - immediate rematch silenced all doubt 8. Ortiz - young lion 10 years his junior 9. Mosley 10. Marquez Pacquiao's Top 10 1. DLH - without him Pac wouldn't have rose to stardom so fast. 2. Barrera - still a good fighter 3. Morales II - still a good fighter good rematch win 4. Cotto - still good, beat him convincingly 5. Hatton - still good, good KO 6. David Diaz 7. Ledwaba 8. Julio 9. Lucero 10. Clottey - solid fighter didn't show up to fight, Not Pacs fought.

Yeah. I really don't think Cotto has been prime since the beating he took from Margarito, plaster and all things aside. He's past his prime-still good and Manny got his due for that win from me for sure. Both Mayweather-Cotto at 154 and Pacquiao-Bradley are good fights and the only people hating on either are the bias haters of both guys, but I think most know that. Hopefully they can get their s**t together and fight in November/December, provided they win their next fights. It'll be very interesting if Bradley beats Pacquiao or if Cotto beats Floyd. I wanna see cotto win, not only because he's my fav fighter, but i think it would speed up the floyd-pac fight. Obviously he is the underdog, but still is a great fighter who has the tools. Its very possible alot of people are gonna be very surprised come may 5th. As far as the public, non chalant fans, interest/perception, they would lose some interest with floyd not being undefeated, but as far as us, we'd finally get to be able to see that great fight. I mean, both fighters are not getting any younger. I want to see the fight before it becomes a 'who aged better, whos skills lasted longer fight'.

The Manfredy win is underrated by a ton of people on here, simply because I don't think a lot of the NSB posters were actually watching boxing 10-15 years ago, but that's another topic. Manfredy was coming off a really good win over a prime Gatti, and hadn't lost in like 4-5 years in his early career. Floyd's last 3 were tough for me. It was between Judah, Ortiz, Chavez, Manfredy, and C. Hernandez, all good or pretty good wins. I had to put Chavez in there and leave C. Hernandez out. So, the last two spots were between Judah-Ortiz-Manfredy. Could have went any order and would be good with me. And in regards to Pacquiao, even though Erik Morales himself was saying he's not the same anymore after losing to Raheem and Manny, those wins still rank pretty high for his career. Manfredy was a very solid win I would say he was much like a Joshua Clottey (3 years ago) at the time Floyd fought him.

Im not on either side. I like both as fighters and athletes, and appreciate their styles differently. I will give floyd all the credit in the world if he beats cotto. Tho cotto is not in his prime athletic/age wise, he has reinvented himself as a boxer, and he's a pretty damn good one at that, possibly a better fighter than he's ever been. And he's not at the point that he cant pull the trigger. Imo, margarito wasnt as far past his 'prime' than mosley was, he came to fight, to take hard shots and throw back hard shots. But all in all, The size difference is what makes the difference to me. Manny was a midget compared to margarito, yet was able to consistently hurt a guy a much bigger guy, let alone a much bigger guy who has a great chin. margarito didnt back down, was in the fight to win, and was able to hurt manny here and there. Tho neither win is a top win for either fighter, i rank msoley a little lower for mayweather, and margarito a little higher for manny. Yeah. I really don't think Cotto has been prime since the beating he took from Margarito, plaster and all things aside. He's past his prime-still good and Manny got his due for that win from me for sure. Both Mayweather-Cotto at 154 and Pacquiao-Bradley are good fights and the only people hating on either are the bias haters of both guys, but I think most know that. Hopefully they can get their s**t together and fight in November/December, provided they win their next fights. It'll be very interesting if Bradley beats Pacquiao or if Cotto beats Floyd.

I get what you're saying though for sure. Do you give Floyd a little credit if he beats Cotto at 154??? To me, that's like the Ricky Hatton situation. Floyd gets more credit for Hatton because he beat him first, but Manny still got his due for beating Hatton. To me, it's the same with Cotto, only vice-versa obviously. Im not on either side. I like both as fighters and athletes, and appreciate their styles differently. I will give floyd all the credit in the world if he beats cotto. Tho cotto is not in his prime athletic/age wise, he has reinvented himself as a boxer, and he's a pretty damn good one at that, possibly a better fighter than he's ever been. And he's not at the point that he cant pull the trigger. I think if you match Mayweather and Mosley at any point in their careers, Floyd beats him. Yes, it would have tougher against a prime Shane, who was also on PED's, or a past prime-still good Shane (2004-2007 or so). But, you can't really hold your hands down with Floyd and expect him not to tag you. Once Shane dropped his hands, it's over. Floyd just tags him over and over again. But, I get what you're saying man for sure. I just felt like if you are going to say Margarito past his prime was a good win for Manny, than Shane past his prime was a good for Floyd right??? Mosley had done better things going into the fight with Floyd than Marg had done prior to fighting Manny. Imo, margarito wasnt as far past his 'prime' than mosley was, he came to fight, to take hard shots and throw back hard shots. But all in all, The size difference is what makes the difference to me. Manny was a midget compared to margarito, yet was able to consistently hurt a guy a much bigger guy, let alone a much bigger guy who has a great chin. margarito didnt back down, was in the fight to win, and was able to hurt manny here and there. Tho neither win is a top win for either fighter, i rank msoley a little lower for mayweather, and margarito a little higher for manny.

Oscar was a good win at 154, but he was past his prime as well. And prior to fighting Floyd, Oscar had retired fr a couple years and came back to beat Mayorga. Prior to fighting Floyd, Shane had beaten Mayorga and Margarito, when everyone was high on Antonio after the Cotto fight. Mosley beating Marg actually got him in the Top 10 P4P until he lost to Floyd. Mosley was past his prime as well, and it showed against Floyd. But, what he'd done prior to fighting him makes it a better win than the Oscar one to me. ppl dont know most of the names on floyds resume. thats why they think guys like cotto have went thru stiffer levels of competition or some ****. but like i said yesterday, floyds run from hernandez to castillo 2 was absolutely amazing. its littered with top fighters in the divisional rankings and floyd barely lost any rounds (except for the castillo fights). t

Idk, i cant really justify ranking a trigger shy mosley that high. Before, he wouldnt give a fuk if you hit hard, he would just let his hands go. If you hit him, he would throw back. He just couldnt pull the trigger with mayweather, but when he did, he would land hard shots, some seriously hurting mayweather. If it was the mosley that fought cotto, than id agree, but the mosley that fought mayweather i cant really agree. I dont really care what others speculation was, everybody thinks they are right...most are not. Im just going by what i saw. Judah had alot more to give to mayweather imo. Ortiz would have been a legitimate win if it had played out, mayweather was controlling the fight and winning, but the fight prematurely ended imo. I get what you're saying though for sure. Do you give Floyd a little credit if he beats Cotto at 154??? To me, that's like the Ricky Hatton situation. Floyd gets more credit for Hatton because he beat him first, but Manny still got his due for beating Hatton. To me, it's the same with Cotto, only vice-versa obviously. I think if you match Mayweather and Mosley at any point in their careers, Floyd beats him. Yes, it would have tougher against a prime Shane, who was also on PED's, or a past prime-still good Shane (2004-2007 or so). But, you can't really hold your hands down with Floyd and expect him not to tag you. Once Shane dropped his hands, it's over. Floyd just tags him over and over again. But, I get what you're saying man for sure. I just felt like if you are going to say Margarito past his prime was a good win for Manny, than Shane past his prime was a good for Floyd right??? Mosley had done better things going into the fight with Floyd than Marg had done prior to fighting Manny.

Yes, Mosley was past his prime, but he was also coming off good wins before fighting Mayweather. Had Manny fought him when Floyd did, Floydhaters would have praised Manny from Vegas all the way back home to SE Asia. Mosley, by beating Margarito down, put himself at #9 P4P when he was going into the Floyd fight. I don't see how you could say Mosley was not a good win for Floyd but then say Margarito was a good win for Manny??? And it wasn't even a real title when Manny beat Margarito, in the eyes of a lot of people at least. Margarito was an awful selection for an opponent, wouldn't you agree??? The guy was coming off just getting KO'd by Mosley and everyone was saying Marg was past it, and Manny chooses to get a vacant title at 154 by fighting him at 150??? That was not a good fight, I don't care how anyone tries to spin it. Idk, i cant really justify ranking a trigger shy mosley that high. Before, he wouldnt give a fuk if you hit hard, he would just let his hands go. If you hit him, he would throw back. He just couldnt pull the trigger with mayweather, but when he did, he would land hard shots, some seriously hurting mayweather. If it was the mosley that fought cotto, than id agree, but the mosley that fought mayweather i cant really agree. I dont really care what others speculation was, everybody thinks they are right...most are not. Im just going by what i saw. Judah had alot more to give to mayweather imo. Ortiz would have been a legitimate win if it had played out, mayweather was controlling the fight and winning, but the fight prematurely ended imo. As far as margarito, though his skills have faded a bit, the bottom line is he still hits hard, has a chin and is gonna keep coming. The size difference was humongous aswell, giving him a huge advantage in both power and taking a little guys punches, the fact that pac was able to dominate and hurt him was quite impressive. And he did put up a fight.

Nno Manfredy for Mayweather though? That win and the Hernandez win were what won him fighter of the year in '98. The Manfredy win is underrated by a ton of people on here, simply because I don't think a lot of the NSB posters were actually watching boxing 10-15 years ago, but that's another topic. Manfredy was coming off a really good win over a prime Gatti, and hadn't lost in like 4-5 years in his early career. Floyd's last 3 were tough for me. It was between Judah, Ortiz, Chavez, Manfredy, and C. Hernandez, all good or pretty good wins. I had to put Chavez in there and leave C. Hernandez out. So, the last two spots were between Judah-Ortiz-Manfredy. Could have went any order and would be good with me. And in regards to Pacquiao, even though Erik Morales himself was saying he's not the same anymore after losing to Raheem and Manny, those wins still rank pretty high for his career.

That Mosley win should be scraping for a top 10 slot in my opinion. He was/is so shot and with a manufactured ranking. The last time Shane Mosley was good was in 2007/08, when it would have been a good win. I'd bump Oscar higher and drop Shane Oscar was a good win at 154, but he was past his prime as well. And prior to fighting Floyd, Oscar had retired fr a couple years and came back to beat Mayorga. Prior to fighting Floyd, Shane had beaten Mayorga and Margarito, when everyone was high on Antonio after the Cotto fight. Mosley beating Marg actually got him in the Top 10 P4P until he lost to Floyd. Mosley was past his prime as well, and it showed against Floyd. But, what he'd done prior to fighting him makes it a better win than the Oscar one to me.

I think you have an old, trigger shy mosley way to high for mayweather. If it was a younger mosley who wasnt afraid to let his hands go then it would be different imo. as far as manny, id like to see margarito on that list. Margarito had a gigantic size advantage, was game, taking hard shots, throwing hard shots in return, hurting manny here and there. It was one of mannys most impressive wins in the higher weight classes imo Yes, Mosley was past his prime, but he was also coming off good wins before fighting Mayweather. Had Manny fought him when Floyd did, Floydhaters would have praised Manny from Vegas all the way back home to SE Asia. Mosley, by beating Margarito down, put himself at #9 P4P when he was going into the Floyd fight. I don't see how you could say Mosley was not a good win for Floyd but then say Margarito was a good win for Manny??? And it wasn't even a real title when Manny beat Margarito, in the eyes of a lot of people at least. Margarito was an awful selection for an opponent, wouldn't you agree??? The guy was coming off just getting KO'd by Mosley and everyone was saying Marg was past it, and Manny chooses to get a vacant title at 154 by fighting him at 150??? That was not a good fight, I don't care how anyone tries to spin it. Floyd beating a past prime Mosley, although coming off good wins over Mayorga and Margarito, was not his greatest win by any means, but I'd rate it better than him beating Oscar, Marquez at 144, and Ortiz-Chavez-Judah. Everybody and their brother was saying, after Floyd whooped Marquez and Pac whooped Cotto, that Mosley should be in talks for a Super Fight at 147 as well. And people were killing Manny at the time, because Manny was saying he wouldn't fight Mosley at any weight higher than 142 for some reason. Yes, Mosley proved that he wasn't that good anymore in 2010, but the last time we'd seen him before that was when he KO'd Mayorga and Margarito.

1. Corrales 2. Castillo 3. Hernandez 4. Chavez 5. Hatton 6. De La Hoya 7. Corley 8. Augustus 9. Manfredy 10. Mosley Just a rough list for Floyd.

That Mosley win should be scraping for a top 10 slot in my opinion. He was/is so shot and with a manufactured ranking. The last time Shane Mosley was good was in 2007/08, when it would have been a good win. I'd bump Oscar higher and drop Shane

I think you have an old, trigger shy mosley way to high for mayweather. If it was a younger mosley who wasnt afraid to let his hands go then it would be different imo. as far as manny, id like to see margarito on that list. Margarito had a gigantic size advantage, was game, taking hard shots, throwing hard shots in return, hurting manny here and there. It was one of mannys most impressive wins in the higher weight classes imo

That true??? Hadnt heard this before... They said before the fight against Maidana. That his 4 fight losing streak that made him retire was during the time he battled with alcoholism.

was battling alcoholism That true??? Hadnt heard this before...

I wouldn't count The Morales fights as "good" wins. Same with Judah. Morales came of that dominate loss of Raheem, was battling alcoholism, divorce and a huge weight cut. The Morales Pac fought the last 2 times was a shell. Second Barrera fight. Barrera was coming of a close fight with Marquez but it was clear he was there for the paycheck. he had nothing left for Pacquiao. His first win against Barrera is definitively his best win -Homey :fest30:

Pretty good list... Although i always thought De La Hoya was a better win that that for Floyd. Maybe 4th? And i'm not sure about Hatton being his second best win either. Definitely need to drop him down a few places i think