Which Welter List is Better for Floyd?

from what I remember that fight was signed before supposed to be an easy win and Baldomire decided to **** it up kind of like Marquez vs Ramos the judah-mayweather contract was only in effect if judah beat baldomir. since he lost the contract was voided. floyd then tried to negotiate with baldomir but baldomir wanted too much so he went back and negotiated with judah but took the lions share because he knew judah was desperate. he never attempted to negotiate with margarito of course.

No his fight stipulations in early 2008 was a rematch with De La Hoya or retire. How can it be ok to fight DLH in early 08 (when most say he clearly beat him) but not fight Cotto? How can he retire due to injuries, but still try to schedule a 2nd fight with DLH at the same time? No Floyd turned down the DLH rematch it would have taken lots of Money to keep him active but he was going to take a break regardless

Ummmm Mayweather was asking to fight Cotto in 2006 when Cotto was just starting to make a name for himself. Are you saying Cotto was more of a legit contender in 06 than early 08 coming off a win against Mosley? :18 http://www.boxingscene.com/team-mayweather-question-miguel-cottos-worth--11320 From what I remember, Floyd didn't fight Cotto early 2008 because his fan base wasn't big enough. Floyd was going to retire post Hatton for at least a year regardless if you watched the Hatton 24/7 you would see Floyd was dealing with injuries and he said his body was breaking down, what I'm saying is if Cotto kept winning then Floyd would've fought him or at least try to work with Top rank

yeah if they kept winning like judah who was on a negative 1 win streak maybe they would have gotten the fight. from what I remember that fight was signed before supposed to be an easy win and Baldomire decided to **** it up kind of like Marquez vs Ramos

but the smoke at 147 didn't really clear Cotto lost right after he was on top for maybe 6months? same with Margarito and Floyd fought Mosley I think if either Cotto or Margarito kept winning then it would have been a Mayweather vs Pacquiao like situation and the fight would had to be made or at least attempt to make it yeah if they kept winning like judah who was on a negative 1 win streak maybe they would have gotten the fight.

right now the smoke is clear and we know its Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather it wasn't like that and Cotto couldn't even keep wining and shame Mayweather out of retirement

But the only reason Cotto fought Margarito was because there were no other fights. Since Floyd retired, the only fight left for Cotto was Margarito. Check it out: Mosley lost to Cotto a few months prior. Williams lost to Quintana. Hatton lost to Mayweather. Margarito lost to Williams but kind of fought his way back up with a few wins. Clottey lost to Margarito. Besides a green berto, who was left to fight at 147? Looks like a smoke cleared picture to me considering how the WW picture looked from 04-06. he lost after Mosley that's win cotto became a legit contender before that he wasn't fighting that type of level of opposition and couldn't keep it long enough to shame Mayweather into coming out of retirement

I agree that Mayweather should've fought Cotto early 2008 instead of trying to rematch DLH. Who I think the winner of the fight is, is irrelevent. The fight should've happened. I don't feel the Marg fight should've happened in 06 because there were so many options at the time. But in 08, the smoke at 147 cleared and Cotto and Mayweather were the last one's standing. But let's be consistent here. I can admit when I felt Floyd has done wrong. Why can't you do the same with Pac instead of playing dense? Has Pac "ever" been in the wrong in your eyes? If so, what? but the smoke at 147 didn't really clear Cotto lost right after he was on top for maybe 6months? same with Margarito and Floyd fought Mosley I think if either Cotto or Margarito kept winning then it would have been a Mayweather vs Pacquiao like situation and the fight would had to be made or at least attempt to make it

I agree that Mayweather should've fought Cotto early 2008 instead of trying to rematch DLH. Who I think the winner of the fight is, is irrelevent. The fight should've happened. I don't feel the Marg fight should've happened in 06 because there were so many options at the time. But in 08, the smoke at 147 cleared and Cotto and Mayweather were the last one's standing. But let's be consistent here. I can admit when I felt Floyd has done wrong. Why can't you do the same with Pac instead of playing dense? Has Pac "ever" been in the wrong in your eyes? If so, what? His singing is pretty bad.

D4th finally getting a poll to go his way after so many fails :rofl: This reminds me of when STRUGG bumped his Morales > Floyd thread every day for weeks while America is asleep and it was daytime in the Philippines...then as soon as Morales caught up he declared Morales the winner :rofl: Why is a fail, I have polls to gauge peoples opinion, I don't win anything if the poll results support a statements in the thread. And it always better and more of a challenge to try and change public opinion mind rather for them to stick to the status quo.

Going into late 2007 two big welterweight fights Mosley vs Cotto and Mayweather vs Hatton. The winners were meant to fight each other. Mayweather decided to retire. Cotto had shown everything, a great body puncher, power in both hands, intelligence, speed, a quick jab. Could fight on the back foot, and was immense going forward. Mayweather vs Cotto in 2008 would have done around 1.75m PPV two undefeated welters. But Floyd felt there were no more challenges left out there for him. I don't believe that. You get fights that never happen, most boxers have one on there record, the fight that everybody wanted but never happened, for whatever reason. But Floyd has dodged 4 bullets. And whether he ducked him or not is irrelevant, The fact is these fights never happened. And these fight are considered superior to the list that did happen.

Floyd fought bum champs with sh!t resumes thats why Floyd gets a bad rap with everyone except his followers...manny fought everyone floyd ducked. Floyd retired because there were no more bums to take on. The biggest threats were looking for Floyd and he cried and retired...until everyone went on with their business. LOL then he comes back and Manny was there. There is a big reason why Floyd only has fought 7 times within 7 years. Call it whatever you like, (Mr get your facts straight himself)!! Floyd beat at least 3 welterweight champs, 2 lineal. Pacman beat only 1 at Mannyweight. :PS I dislike them both. Floyd can clean out the welter division and he still wouldn't be half the fighter of what PAC is. The only way for Floyd to even up or go pass PAC is if he moves up to heavyweight and knock out Monte Barrett. Remember what Floyd said: What PAC is doing would be equivalent to as if I was knocking out heavyweight. Really?? I think all he has to do is not lose to a lightweight at welterweight to be better than Pacman, but that's just me.:wave:

Whether Mayweather tried to make a fight with Cotto, Pacquiao or Margarito, it wouldn't have happened considering that they are Bob Arum fighters. Trust me, 3 TR fighters are too much to be coincidences. exactly but thats another debate I really don't see why Floyd would duck Cotto no disrespect to his fans but seriously why duck Cotto what so special about him?

And lets face it, if it was a choice of watching the the first list of fights or the second list of fights, it going to be the second list by a country mile.

Whether Mayweather tried to make a fight with Cotto, Pacquiao or Margarito, it wouldn't have happened considering that they are Bob Arum fighters. Trust me, 3 TR fighters are too much to be coincidences.

Floyd should have Cotto and Pacquiao on his resume those are two blockbuster fights that was in demand by fight fans and should've happened already as far as Margarito not really he got overrated after the fact and Williams was a freak too risky of a fight for everybody at WW and he brought nothing to the table don't blame anybody for not taking it. Two out of four would not be bad, it is the fact that Floyd has let so many of his toughest fights go by the wayside. Margarito was a beast, not technically gifted, but a great pressure fighter, tremendous work rate, easy to hit but a granite chin. Threw great hooks to the body and first rate uppercut. A very tough fight for Floyd. Quintana fought Williams, and won there first match, Marg fought Williams. Maybe Cotto could have fought Williams, but can't say Cotto was avoiding him because he was fighting guys like Mosley and Margarito at the time.

I don't know, love is blind after all. Floyd should have Cotto and Pacquiao on his resume those are two blockbuster fights that was in demand by fight fans and should've happened already as far as Margarito not really he got overrated after the fact and Williams was a freak too risky of a fight for everybody at WW and he brought nothing to the table don't blame anybody for not taking it.

Floyd Mayweather would beat every single person on that last, past or present. Therefore Floyd> The rest. The only fighter on that list that gives him problems is Manny 2 years ago, that's a 60/40 fight in Floyd's favour, right now it's a 95/5 fight in favour of Floyd. Cotto would of had his head boxed off, likewise Mararito. Williams size would of give Floyd some problems early round, but him and his corners are thinkers. Floyd would of KO'D him late. Don't really see your point anyway because at the time of fighting Hatton it was a huge fight, much bigger than Floyd v any of them bar Manny, Ortiz was a riskier fight than what a Margarito or Cotto would of been IMO. One thing winning a fight on paper quite another winning it in the ring. Shall we judge all fighters on how we think they will do against other fighters, or should we start demanding the fights that should be made. Is it any wonder why the big fights in boxing fail to materialize when so many are just happy with fantasy fights. Let judge fighters on what they have done not on what we think they can do.

Floyd Mayweather would beat every single person on that last, past or present. Therefore Floyd> The rest. The only fighter on that list that gives him problems is Manny 2 years ago, that's a 60/40 fight in Floyd's favour, right now it's a 95/5 fight in favour of Floyd. Cotto would of had his head boxed off, likewise Mararito. Williams size would of give Floyd some problems early round, but him and his corners are thinkers. Floyd would of KO'D him late. Don't really see your point anyway because at the time of fighting Hatton it was a huge fight, much bigger than Floyd v any of them bar Manny, Ortiz was a riskier fight than what a Margarito or Cotto would of been IMO.

Anyway, realistically Floyd's welterweight run is littered with champions that he beat. 2 were lineal if I'm not mistaken. Meanwhile Pacman never actually beat a champion at welterweight without a mannyweight. So all in all at welterweight or above, Floyd still sons Manny. Floyd can clean out the welter division and he still wouldn't be half the fighter of what PAC is. The only way for Floyd to even up or go pass PAC is if he moves up to heavyweight and knock out Monte Barrett. Remember what Floyd said: What PAC is doing would be equivalent to as if I was knocking out heavyweight.