First off I think pac-floyd is gonna happen may 5th so we shouldnt have to worry about it but the haters are reaching a new low when it comes to pac-bradley.
For the longest time pachaters have been following the same old tired false narrative as the tea party.
Pac is ducking black fighters.
Wait...we meant slick black fighters.
Pac doesnt fight younf prime fighters
Well bradley is all of that plus he's undefeated but all of a sudden with a strong possibility of it happening its a ****ty fight???
All of a sudden bradley is boring
Bradley has no chance of knocking out pac
Etc etc etc
Cmon flomos....you should be excited about this fight. If bradley wins then floyd becomes the goay by default without ever having to fight pac like floyd has been wishing all alobng.
Go ahead, fight Bradley, underestimate him and catch a loss.
That's how I see it.
Whoever fights Bradley takes him lightly at their peril.
If Pac ain't 100% he could lose this fight. :boxing:
obviously everyone wants floyd. bradley imo is the next best option, that or berto/ortiz winner but the timing is a bit off for that.
I honestly don't think he would fight Berto or Ortiz, even if they were available. Well, he might fight Ortiz cuz he lost to Floyd lmao
Dude, there was no legit way to look at Mayweather-Ortiz and see Mayweather losing. Being big and strong isn't a legit chance. The only chance was if Ortiz landed something big. And very few really thought he would win here, all the polls were very one sided.
Bradley poses legit, stylistic challenges, that would allow him to be far more competitive than Ortiz was before getting knocked out. He is also slick, I don't see how you don't think Bradley is slick. At the VERY least, Bradley could do what Mosley did, only better.
Yea there is Floyd isn't Floyd anymore, if Floyd isn't the Floyd we know then if Ortiz fights the fight of his life he has a shot. I didn't think Ortiz would win either but still that was his shot.
It didn't turn out like that as Ortiz's brain once again failed him when the going got tough.
Still that is exactly the same as this fight if Manny isn't Manny and Bradley fights his best possible fight he has a shot.
That is it pretty much the same exact shot~
Doing what Mosley did better won't win the fight, sure he can do that but he won't win like that~ which is what I have been saying.
We'll see what happens
No he doesn't~
Ortiz was a big strong southpaw who give Floyd problems according to many, plus he was coming off a long lay off~
Ortiz's chance relied heavily on Floyd not being the same but those chances are better than Manny not being the same.
Also Bradley isn't slick~ he spoils but he isn't slick
IF anything they are exactly equal because both chances rely on the guy they are fighting not being at their best to have any chance to win~
So look in the mirror because you are doing what you are saying bothers you~
Dude, there was no legit way to look at Mayweather-Ortiz and see Mayweather losing. Being big and strong isn't a legit chance. The only chance was if Ortiz landed something big. And very few really thought he would win here, all the polls were very one sided.
Bradley poses legit, stylistic challenges, that would allow him to be far more competitive than Ortiz was before getting knocked out. He is also slick, I don't see how you don't think Bradley is slick. At the VERY least, Bradley could do what Mosley did, only better.
My whole point though is that bradley has an exponentially better chance at the upset than ortiz ever did with floyd.
And yet the people talking smack about even the possibility of a bradley fight are the same ones that have been spewing the same tired rhetoric the past few years about pac.
That pac avoids black fighters and the "slick" style
That pac cherry picks old shot fighters and ducks young hungry fighters in their prime.
All while defending the legitimacy of floyd-ortiz and the supposed that ortiz posed to floyd.
No he doesn't~
Ortiz was a big strong southpaw who give Floyd problems according to many, plus he was coming off a long lay off~
Ortiz's chance relied heavily on Floyd not being the same but those chances are better than Manny not being the same.
Also Bradley isn't slick~ he spoils but he isn't slick
IF anything they are exactly equal because both chances rely on the guy they are fighting not being at their best to have any chance to win~
So look in the mirror because you are doing what you are saying bothers you~
That is why it will end up an ugly fight and that is the heart of Bradley's adjustments make the fight ugly to throw off the other guy to be less effective thus making Bradley more effective in the end.
The power issue, I would put Bradley's power in with all the other guys that Manny has handled, not bad but not really fight altering either so I can't see it really bothering Manny even if he ends up marking him up pretty bad.
I would think Hatton fight but not what actually happened what people thought would happen, a tough rugged contest which would be fairly ugly and tightly contested but I don't think Bradley wins that fight. He would have to win convincingly to win that way and I just don't think he will be able to create that much difference fighting as he does, plus what happens if Bradley gets caught if Kendal Holt can take advantange it stands to reason Manny might be able to also.
I could be wrong though~ which is why I would watch it and wouldn't mind it really but if I don't think a guy can win I can understand some people talking smack about the fight
My whole point though is that bradley has an exponentially better chance at the upset than ortiz ever did with floyd.
And yet the people talking smack about even the possibility of a bradley fight are the same ones that have been spewing the same tired rhetoric the past few years about pac.
That pac avoids black fighters and the "slick" style
That pac cherry picks old shot fighters and ducks young hungry fighters in their prime.
All while defending the legitimacy of floyd-ortiz and the supposed that ortiz posed to floyd.
Pacquiao should win and win easily, but I can see how Bradley might pull the upset.
His KO percentage may suggest the guy can't hit, but I've never seen a Bradley fight where he didn't drop or at least stun his opponent. He has enough power to make a fighter think, any fighter. Bradley cannot fight exactly the same way Marquez did, but he also wouldn't have to. He's better defensively than Marquez, and when Pac got close he has the strength and skill inside to absolutely dominate inside. He has the skill to make Pac chase and then make him pay.
His recklessness would be his undoing most likely, but Bradley would know that going in. If he had a strategy and it didn't work, he's among the best in the sport at adjusting.
That is why it will end up an ugly fight and that is the heart of Bradley's adjustments make the fight ugly to throw off the other guy to be less effective thus making Bradley more effective in the end.
The power issue, I would put Bradley's power in with all the other guys that Manny has handled, not bad but not really fight altering either so I can't see it really bothering Manny even if he ends up marking him up pretty bad.
I would think Hatton fight but not what actually happened what people thought would happen, a tough rugged contest which would be fairly ugly and tightly contested but I don't think Bradley wins that fight. He would have to win convincingly to win that way and I just don't think he will be able to create that much difference fighting as he does, plus what happens if Bradley gets caught if Kendal Holt can take advantange it stands to reason Manny might be able to also.
I could be wrong though~ which is why I would watch it and wouldn't mind it really but if I don't think a guy can win I can understand some people talking smack about the fight
I just don't see how Bradley can win, he is a good all around fighter but without real pop.
So he would therefore have to outbox Manny and do a better job than JMM did, now Bradley when he punches he gets very wide and sloppy plus leaves himself very open at times~ so it is tough to see him doing a better job than JMM who throws perfect looking punches and in the third fight really didn't leave himself open which he normally does.
Now I don't hate the fight although it certainly is likely ugly~ because Bradley is a quality fighter and a young hungry guy so maybe he fights the fight of his life but is that really enough to win in this situation I have a hard time seeing it.
But hey who knows I will watch just to see if that theory is correct.
Pacquiao should win and win easily, but I can see how Bradley might pull the upset.
His KO percentage may suggest the guy can't hit, but I've never seen a Bradley fight where he didn't drop or at least stun his opponent. He has enough power to make a fighter think, any fighter. Bradley cannot fight exactly the same way Marquez did, but he also wouldn't have to. He's better defensively than Marquez, and when Pac got close he has the strength and skill inside to absolutely dominate inside. He has the skill to make Pac chase and then make him pay.
His recklessness would be his undoing most likely, but Bradley would know that going in. If he had a strategy and it didn't work, he's among the best in the sport at adjusting.
I just don't see how Bradley can win, he is a good all around fighter but without real pop.
So he would therefore have to outbox Manny and do a better job than JMM did, now Bradley when he punches he gets very wide and sloppy plus leaves himself very open at times~ so it is tough to see him doing a better job than JMM who throws perfect looking punches and in the third fight really didn't leave himself open which he normally does.
Now I don't hate the fight although it certainly is likely ugly~ because Bradley is a quality fighter and a young hungry guy so maybe he fights the fight of his life but is that really enough to win in this situation I have a hard time seeing it.
But hey who knows I will watch just to see if that theory is correct.
Bradley isn't on Pac's level, never was, and I've said that all along. I can't see Bradley beating Khan, and Khan is Pac with less power and that runs more.
Bradley ain't fast enough in neither hand nor foot to outbox him. He doesn't have the power to knock him out (that's just fact, and if u disagree ur a moron). Does he have the chin to withstand the onslaught? Maybe...
So maybe he'll go the distance, but I can't see where he's a match. I can't see Pac having to dig down for the victory. I can't see it being entertaining at all... It'll be the same thing every round
He'll just dominate Tim, who's only points of success will be when he dodges a combo, winds up clinching on the inside, try roughing him up, but to no avail, and end up getting outpointed in a one-sided decision
Pacquiao vs Bradley and Marquez vs Peterson are 2 good fights imo. No hate from me on either 1.
EXACTLY...and you have the winners face each other then same with the losers.
I like it. This would be a great exposure and chance for both Peterson and Bradley. It would definitely be great for boxing, a step forward, instead of recycling the same old fighters/fights over and over.
Its simple really - BRADLEY IS NOT MAYWEATHER!
Timmy is a good fighter and tough too but Manny and Floyd are at the pinnacle of the sport, PPV Gods commanding Multi MILLIONS per fight and are being called by each's own army of fans the greatest fighter of all time ect and Thus both men are held to a higher standard and their ever move is scrutinised (as well as worshipped on the other side!)
Exactly. Pac and Floyd should be fighting each other, and no one should buy anything else these two are involved in.
I've never been impressed by Bradley. What is his strength? I can't point out one thing he does that sets him apart as an elite fighter.
He's a very smart, very adaptable, and very versatile fighter. He's one of the most well rounded fighters today.
because Bradley hasn't done **** since 2009 and other guys been putting in work I would hate for him to get rewarded for beating Casamayor with a pacquiao fight plus I feel he losses to Ortiz and Khan at 147 and Berto is a push fight
this would be the 3rd non welterweight Manny fought in his last 4 fights
You need to stop saying this when you know it's not true. He only unified two belts at 140 LAST YEAR.
Ortiz was a world champion & ranked #3 at 147lb's after he beat Berto, so if the Pac-PBF fight wasn't going to get made it was logic for that Ortiz fight to happen, I'm a huge fan of Bradley but where is he ranked currently at 147lb's?
Your #3ranked argument becomes worthless when you consider that the top 7 fighters in the division all fight each other to push each other out of the rankings while berto meanwhile was fighting steve forbes, juan urango, carlos quintana...all unranked, with luis collazo being 10th at the highest at the time to earn berto a #3 ranking by default while facinf absolutely noone worth a damn. then he faces ortiz who isnt even ranked in the top 5 in the division below and loses!!!
Thats how worthless that ortiz was ranked#3 at welter argument is.
There you go