How is Cotto shot??

Maybe shot is harsh, but he's not anywhere near as good as people have made him out to be since the Margarito rematch. Suddenly people act as if he is the best at 154 and some master boxer.

When I watch him fight I see the same exact guy, flaws and strengths for years. I just don't get how or why people say he is that different~ Also he is probably in a good place mentally after dispatching the guy he feels cheated him.

He's not shot but he's well past his best years.

I think with his new trainer Cotto will be even better than before.

Cotto is not shot but he is no longer at his best.

I think he lost some confidence after the Marg fight....thats all!!...shot?...no...hard hit? yes!! :boxing:

i don't think he's shot, but he's been a different fighter since the margo fight.

I don't know about shot, but I doubt he has the same punch resistance he had pre-Margarito 1. Still a great fighter and a good man.

He isn't. He looked as good in his last fight as he EVER has - fact. Especially considering he was up against Margarito, who - whatever you want to say about him - is bigger than Cotto, strong as an ox, relentless and a solid puncher (even if he is on the downward slope). Cotto looked fast, strong, was landing quick, crisp counterpunches, excellent bodyshots.... I don't know what more people want. Also, he's taken some flak for who he has been fighting the past couple of years, but Clottey (regardless of his defeat to Pacquiao) was another big, strong, top-level welterweight and Foreman was an unbeaten titlist. He also destroyed a Mayorga who looked in virtually career-best shape.

pac beat the fight out of him in the first one, he didnt quit. in the scond one, yeah he was mentally beat. but it was a pacquiao thing imo, he didnt believe he could beat pac going in. in other fights he had more confidence and was able to perform. cotto cant perform against anyone once he gets hit on the chin. takes just one punch and his heart melts inside his chest. not comparable to MAB. You're not making any sense here. You are hereby accused of being an undercover Marg stan.

I wrote about this yesterday to someone. I said: Cotto has proved to me in his last couple of fights that he's not shot. He may not be the old Cotto or great but he's still a solid fighter. He might cant beat the elite of the elite but he's a threat to anyone underneath that level. Anyone not named Sergio, Pac, Floyd First at all ! I put my money on Cotto over Marquez . Style make fights and doesn't mean Marquez gonna beat Cotto cause he give problems to Manny . I believe Cotto still a lot in the tank. He took a lot of punishment with Margarito , Clottey and Manny and all that punishment took something from him but he can still beat a lot of guys out there . What happen with Cotto is that he make a lot of big mistakes when he was in his prime. When he fought Margo all the **** with he's uncle and the wrong game plan plus the plaster give him his 1st lost . And the big mistake of his career was fight with Clottey and Manny with no Corner. A guy name Joe Santiago ? Cotto was in the Clottey fight with a big gash in his left eye for 9 rounds. A good corner will have stop that fight in 5 round and Cotto would have won that fight easy cause he won like 4 or the first 5 plus the knock down instead they let him go all the way and he took unnecessary punishment . And he fought Manny after that fight with Joe Santiago in his corner , the wrong game plan and weight drained. He avenge 1 of his lost already and now he has a good trainer in his corner with more confidence after beating Margo and I bet he is ready to fight anybody . Will see !

Fukk that Luis Castillo is the definition of shot lol Cotto isn't no where near that. Edit: Scratch that. I thought you said Collazo.

Fukk that Luis Castillo is the definition of shot lol Cotto isn't no where near that.

MAB vs Pac 1 and 2? I'm a huge Barrera fan, btw. the beating MAB took against pacquiao isnt comparable to the one shot pac landed on cotto that had him running for the rest of the fight.

I like Cotto, always have! I wouldn't say he's shot but I would say he's definitely past his best. Not what he once was. The beat downs he took against Manny and Marg did a lot on him psychologically eventhough only one was valid.

its not even remotely the same thing. barrera realized he wasnt made of stone and could get knocked out or plain lose if he didnt fight more skillfully so he adapted his style. but he was still the same warrior, he changed his style but his heart was still the same and he didnt quit or look for a way out when things got rough. cotto does. cotto hasnt simply changed his style, his heart isnt in it anymore to the degree it was earlier in his career. that he boxes more is a good thing, the bad thing is that when the boxing doesnt work and he starts getting caught he starts running and looks for a way out. the change of style aint got **** to do with it. terrible, terrible comparison on your part. i never said cotto doesnt have heart bcuz he boxes, he doesnt have heart bcuz he quits. MAB vs Pac 1 and 2? I'm a huge Barrera fan, btw.

You make some good points, but your conclusion is bullshlt. Was Barrera shot when he changed his style? He had no heart because he didn't stand toe to toe w/Hamed? He got his ass kicked and decided that he wanted to prolong his career so he brawled less. Same thing. its not even remotely the same thing. barrera realized he wasnt made of stone and could get knocked out or plain lose if he didnt fight more skillfully so he adapted his style. but he was still the same warrior, he changed his style but his heart was still the same and he didnt quit or look for a way out when things got rough. cotto does. cotto hasnt simply changed his style, his heart isnt in it anymore to the degree it was earlier in his career. that he boxes more is a good thing, the bad thing is that when the boxing doesnt work and he starts getting caught he starts running and looks for a way out. the change of style aint got **** to do with it. terrible, terrible comparison on your part. i never said cotto doesnt have heart bcuz he boxes, he doesnt have heart bcuz he quits.

sometimes a fighter can have a fight that takes so much out of him hes never the same again. it can be physical or mental, in cottos case its mental. hes still as skilled obviously, hes still as strong and fast but he doesnt have the heart he used to. and for a fighter who gets hit so much and relied heavily on his determination to make it through alot of his fights thats all but a death sentence. fighters can mentally break bcuz of a bad beating, or by having their will broken. ill make one example of each. meldrick taylor took such a bad beating against chavez he was never the same again, physicly he was still the same but mentally he left part of himself in that ring. another example if acelino freitas, freitas was a warrior similar to cotto in his prime. but one night against diego corrales he reached his breaking point and quit. his will was broken and bcuz he quit once it was easier for him to return to that and he was never the same warrior again and went on to quit much easier in other fights. both these things happened to cotto against margarito, he took a bad beating and he quit and was never the same again. ppl say theres no shame in losing to pacquiao which is true, but look at HOW he lost. look at how little it took for his confidence to shatter and his will to break. he was doing well early, but the very first time in the fight he got in trouble he gave up. thats not the cotto of old. look at his eyes after he got dropped the second time, he doesnt want to fight anymore, a single punch made him accept defeat. thats not the cotto who was down and badly hurt against torres, who was out on his feet against corley, who was put on queer street by judah or got his teeth knocked back 2 inches by bailey. look at his eyes after hes hurt by their punches, no surrender. look at his eyes after pacquiao hurt him.. its two completely diffrent fighters. physicly cotto still has alot in the tank, but hes mentally shot. and for a fighter whos heart was once his greatest attribute you have to say hes washed up. he doesnt have the same will to win, hes not the same animal that would walk through hell if there was the slightest chance he could come out on top. You make some good points, but your conclusion is bullshlt. Was Barrera shot when he changed his style? He had no heart because he didn't stand toe to toe w/Hamed? He got his ass kicked and decided that he wanted to prolong his career so he brawled less. Same thing.

how can you judge the outcome of a cotto vs mayweather fight based on the cotto vs pacquiao fight when marquez fought mayweather and lost every round but every time he fights pacquiao he gives him hell,cotto deserves an opportunity to measure his skill with mayweather just as much as pacquiao does and i believe cotto will put on a good show as he always does,and how can anyone say cotto ishot clearly is hatting on him he has only two loses and he is a holding a world tittle.shot fighters are fighters who can't win fights cotto is still pfp the best at 154 Great point.

how can you judge the outcome of a cotto vs mayweather fight based on the cotto vs pacquiao fight when marquez fought mayweather and lost every round but every time he fights pacquiao he gives him hell,cotto deserves an opportunity to measure his skill with mayweather just as much as pacquiao does and i believe cotto will put on a good show as he always does,and how can anyone say cotto ishot clearly is hatting on him he has only two loses and he is a holding a world tittle.shot fighters are fighters who can't win fights cotto is still pfp the best at 154