so shouldn't floyd sr get trainer of the year because he's the one that taught him his style.
Floyd Sr or Roger. Either way one of them should have gotten a little credit as trainer of the year at some point during Floyd's career.
He was under his dad in those fights though
Which fights?
I know he was with Roger in 07.
And I know Roger was with Floyd in 2-3 of those fights in '98.
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those awards are political...popularity contests....nothing more nothing less.....anybody who doesn't like the taste of dick and balls know Roach is NOT the best trainer....Manny does his OWN thing in the ring.....Buboy does more talking than Frauddy...smh...anyways, Roger and Frauddy BOTH are fighting and living with illnesses....but here's the thing,....Roger gets clowned for the way he talks...cats seem to find the wisdom to say "I can'T understand a word he says" blah blah blah.....but the serpent Frauddy Roach got clowned by Bam Bam Rios and the whole world went "HATE BAM BAM" crazy :lol1:....GTFOH, Roger deserves more respect from the machine...yea, the machine!!!!....certain dudes know whats up!! :cool2:
Outstanding post.
Roach got it, he's got numerous world champions, this year Khan defended his titles twice, Pacquiao defended twice & Chavez defended his world title twice.
Against whom for each of those fighters? If we take credit away from Mayweather's victories against Mosley, Marquez, and Judah, what does that leave for Khan and Pacquiao? Again, whom was it that Chavez Jr. beat again? I have to disagree with your statement.
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those awards are political...popularity contests....nothing more nothing less.....anybody who doesn't like the taste of dick and balls know Roach is NOT the best trainer....Manny does his OWN thing in the ring.....Buboy does more talking than Frauddy...smh...anyways, Roger and Frauddy BOTH are fighting and living with illnesses....but here's the thing,....Roger gets clowned for the way he talks...cats seem to find the wisdom to say "I can'T understand a word he says" blah blah blah.....but the serpent Frauddy Roach got clowned by Bam Bam Rios and the whole world went "HATE BAM BAM" crazy :lol1:....GTFOH, Roger deserves more respect from the machine...yea, the machine!!!!....certain dudes know whats up!! :cool2:
roger should get more respect from the machine...keeping it strictly 100, just for a f'ing award, i don't see why roger has to train x y z fighters when his full time job is training the #1 p4p fighter and top cash cow right now....me, i'd rather have the top fighter/cash cow solely on my resume, than 2 or 3 titleholders...fmj always says roger is the best trainer in the world after a fight, and i've seen plenty times where roger would give fmj instruction in the corner, and fmj carries it out....that suggests to me that roger isn't there for a paycheck carrying fmj's spit bucket..i know dudes got jokes about roger talking and all, but i bet if he called anyone and said come be a part of my camp, you'd be sitting there hanging onto every stuttering word that comes out of dude's mouth...lol
If he didn't win it in 2007 when Floyd beat Hatton and DLH and won FOTY, and in 1998 when Floyd fought 6 times including wins over top SFW's G. Hernandez and Angel Manfredy, also nabbing the FOTY in that year..then Roger is never gonna win it.
He was under his dad in those fights though
Roger Mayweather should have won ESPN's trainer of the year in 2007. But instead was pipped to the post by Enzo Calzaghe (who won it because Joe Calzaghe beat Mikkel Kessler, Gavin Rees who beat Billy Smith, Who? I agree, and Enzo Macranelli). Close in second was Jack Lowe. :rofl:
It should also be mentioned that Roger Mayweather was never mentioned as a contender for the award by ESPN in 2007. Go figure!
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-trainerofyear121907
If he didn't win it in 2007 when Floyd beat Hatton and DLH and won FOTY, and in 1998 when Floyd fought 6 times including wins over top SFW's G. Hernandez and Angel Manfredy, also nabbing the FOTY in that year..then Roger is never gonna win it.
I think "Roger only has one fighter" is not a good argument as to why Roger hasn't won TOTY. I believe Virgil Hunter, Andre Ward's trainer, is this year's trainer of the year and that I know of, Hunter only has one fighter, at least only one known fighter. Ward also has two good dominating wins over prime top fighters this year, which that's why he deserves the FOTY award.
Floyd beat Hatton and De La Hoya in two high profile fights. Even won FOTY for it. If you are not to fond of Roger and his credentials, that's okay, but he should have won it in 2007 IMO, along with his "lone" fighter.
Roger is a great trainer but has only 1 fighter. But then again, he basically taught floyd everything. They been together since floyd was like 13-14, floyd sr only taught him the basics then went off to prison. So roger may only have 1 fighter, but that 1 fighter he trained is also p4p #1 boxer in the world.
Did coach merc deserve a trainer of the year because of RJJ? No, because RJJ is the only successful fighter he trained.
Very few fighters even know what the basics are.
It's easy for us to just call it "the basics" here sitting down on our chairs, but the basics is something a lot of these fighters leave at home and don't bring it to the ring with them. I think Sr taught Floyd more than the basics, Sr gave Jr his style. Stylistically, they're twins in the ring. And we know who before the other. Floyd can reject Sr all he wants, any one who sees Sr fight will know where Floyd got his style from.
I haven't gone through the whole thread, but I'm sure I won't be the first to mention that Roger is clearly hurt by the perception and possible truth that Floyd is his own trainer. It also doesn't help that I couldn't tell you one fighter besides Floyd that he trains.
ME personally I think a trainer should have more than one top fighter with a superb year to become trainer of the year. Who else is Roger training that is at the top of the their division and made an impact.
Example: Robert Garcia this year had Donaire and Rios who had a superb year where as Freddie Roach's fighters have not had the best year.
I think he's good enough a trainer to atleast have won the award one of his active years.
He's a world class trainer IMO.
Perhaps 2007.
what other champions has he made? what fighters has he trained towards a championship belt?
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those awards are political...popularity contests....nothing more nothing less.....anybody who doesn't like the taste of dick and balls know Roach is NOT the best trainer....Manny does his OWN thing in the ring.....Buboy does more talking than Frauddy...smh...anyways, Roger and Frauddy BOTH are fighting and living with illnesses....but here's the thing,....Roger gets clowned for the way he talks...cats seem to find the wisdom to say "I can'T understand a word he says" blah blah blah.....but the serpent Frauddy Roach got clowned by Bam Bam Rios and the whole world went "HATE BAM BAM" crazy :lol1:....GTFOH, Roger deserves more respect from the machine...yea, the machine!!!!....certain dudes know whats up!! :cool2:
What?? Even if you took roach out of the picture entirely there would still be at least 3 more deserving trainers than roger in any given year.
Floyd is not just naturally gifted, he is a technical marvel as well. Someone deserves credit for teaching him those skills.....
so shouldn't floyd sr get trainer of the year because he's the one that taught him his style. roger is just a babysitter more than anything. leonard ellerbe deserves trainer of the year as much as roger.
The truth is that if Roger never trained he wouldn't be missed in the history of boxing because he only trains one champion level fighter who only fights once every year and a half
Roach on the other hand had at least 6 world title fights with 3 different fighters in 3 different weight classes this year alone
Floyd is not just naturally gifted, he is a technical marvel as well. Someone deserves credit for teaching him those skills.....
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those awards are political...popularity contests....nothing more nothing less.....anybody who doesn't like the taste of dick and balls know Roach is NOT the best trainer....Manny does his OWN thing in the ring.....Buboy does more talking than Frauddy...smh...anyways, Roger and Frauddy BOTH are fighting and living with illnesses....but here's the thing,....Roger gets clowned for the way he talks...cats seem to find the wisdom to say "I can'T understand a word he says" blah blah blah.....but the serpent Frauddy Roach got clowned by Bam Bam Rios and the whole world went "HATE BAM BAM" crazy :lol1:....GTFOH, Roger deserves more respect from the machine...yea, the machine!!!!....certain dudes know whats up!! :cool2: