Gassed out? Floyds Strategy

Respect given for actually breaking it down. Disagree on a few things. Firstly, on a broader scope, Margarito fought non one's in Mexico before being lucky enough to be discovered and managed. Baldomir wasn't so lucky. His record reflects a guy that earned his the hard way. He fought as an opponent on local cards for years, without managers, promoters and matchmakers, so don't let the records fool you. If that's understood, I'll give you Marg being taller and longer. Not much else. Marg does throw punches at funny angles, but they're all looping and slow. Baldo throws much straighter punches. Power? If we're looking at records it's Marg, but neither one has one punch power. They both grind you up and can take anything you can throw. Baldo absolutely does not come forawrd slowly behind a jab, he just throws punches. Both of them possess limited skills and got by on will, volume and chin. That isn't a glowing review of Baldomir, but it goes to show that Margarito has never been anything special. I think he's an Arum creation, who may have been getting by with illegal wraps. I hate to give Cintron the benefit of the doubt, but he's fought some pretty good fighters and none of them were able to slump him and leave him on his azz, crying, like Marg did. Cintron fought Martinez to what was officially a draw, and beat Angulo. Back then, Baldomir beat Clottey (albeit controversially), Judah and Gatti- Margarito beat Cintron and Lujan, and lost to Daniel Santos. Marg is 38-8 and has lost on the top level with one exception, which is tainted, Baldo is 48-13. There isn't much difference between them, taking Floyd Mayweather or anyone else out of the equation. I think Marg may be a little more menacing, but neither are especially skilled. margarito fought the much tougher competition early in his career. guys like rodney jones, sergio martinez, etc...baldomir was the one fighting bums for most of his career. margarito was a world champ and baldomir was still fighting guys no one knew with padded 30-0 records. margarito beat 5 top 10 ranked guys and baldomir beat 1. margarito was also robbed against santos. margarito has the much better win as well cotto vs judah. gatti was shot and not a welterweight and clottey was a gift win. margarito was the number 1 ranked welterweight for over 4 years and in the top 10 for 9 years. baldomir was the "champ" for a couple months then fell off the planet. he even got a gift decision over some journeyman right after he fought mayweather. how can you really compare them?

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he bores them to death with his boring running style !!!! and he also breaks down the body !!!!! ortiz with his already closing eye was well on his way to being "gassed" out too because the punishment by the 3rd round was accumilating !!!!! too bad floyd the easy way out and cheated the hard working fans by sucker punching ortiz !!!!! Let's get this straight once and for all. Ortiz cheated the fans by not coming to fight. Ortiz took the easy way out by using headbutts then looking for help from the ref.

elaborate on baldomir and margarito not being similar? that shouldn't even need pointing out. baldomir was a tomato can and margarito was a top welterweight for about 8 years. he does everything better than baldomir. taller, longer, bigger puncher, throws more punches, better chin, more will and determination, throws punches from unpredictable angles. baldomir just fluked a win against judah. judah got hit hard once and just ran the last 7 rounds like a doofus. baldomir has never done anything else. he's just a classic slow tomato can with a classic boxing stance. he's a guy who comes forward slowly behind a jab looking to setup a right hand and if he can't corner you or land the right he's finished. no variety. Respect given for actually breaking it down. Disagree on a few things. Firstly, on a broader scope, Margarito fought non one's in Mexico before being lucky enough to be discovered and managed. Baldomir wasn't so lucky. His record reflects a guy that earned his the hard way. He fought as an opponent on local cards for years, without managers, promoters and matchmakers, so don't let the records fool you. If that's understood, I'll give you Marg being taller and longer. Not much else. Marg does throw punches at funny angles, but they're all looping and slow. Baldo throws much straighter punches. Power? If we're looking at records it's Marg, but neither one has one punch power. They both grind you up and can take anything you can throw. Baldo absolutely does not come forawrd slowly behind a jab, he just throws punches. Both of them possess limited skills and got by on will, volume and chin. That isn't a glowing review of Baldomir, but it goes to show that Margarito has never been anything special. I think he's an Arum creation, who may have been getting by with illegal wraps. I hate to give Cintron the benefit of the doubt, but he's fought some pretty good fighters and none of them were able to slump him and leave him on his azz, crying, like Marg did. Cintron fought Martinez to what was officially a draw, and beat Angulo. Back then, Baldomir beat Clottey (albeit controversially), Judah and Gatti- Margarito beat Cintron and Lujan, and lost to Daniel Santos. Marg is 38-8 and has lost on the top level with one exception, which is tainted, Baldo is 48-13. There isn't much difference between them, taking Floyd Mayweather or anyone else out of the equation. I think Marg may be a little more menacing, but neither are especially skilled.

Thanks for the answers. My question then becomes "Would that make someone like Antonio Margarito particulary dangerous for Floyd considering hes pretty much a non-thinking stalker who wouldnt be worried about counter punches since he blocks everything with his face." This forcing floyd into the postion of Cotto last week in which hes the fighter being pressured and constantly moving. Although Cotto was clearly beating Margarito last week it was pretty clear that the effort involved was huge and arguebly was wearing cotto out before the fight was stopped. good observation. thats what i was also thinking prior to the stoppage, cotto will have a repeat of the first fight, that hell take a knee on the 11th again.

So are we just supposed to read your post and assume you're smart or something- like we should all listen to you? Please elaborate. elaborate on baldomir and margarito not being similar? that shouldn't even need pointing out. baldomir was a tomato can and margarito was a top welterweight for about 8 years. he does everything better than baldomir. taller, longer, bigger puncher, throws more punches, throws combos,better chin, more will and determination, cuts off the ring better, throws punches from unpredictable angles. baldomir just fluked a win against judah. judah got hit hard once and just ran the last 7 rounds like a doofus. baldomir has never done anything else(for a reason). he's just a classic slow tomato can with a classic boxing stance(predictable). he's a guy who comes forward slowly behind a jab looking to setup a right hand and if he can't corner you or land the right he's finished. no variety. the real reason he compares baldomir to margarito is because floyd never wanted to fight margarito so he trashes him while hyping up baldomir as some sort of legit threat just because floyd fought him. maybe we can get him to say sharmba mitchell was a better win than margarito? let's try!

the only edge margarito has over baldomir is body punching? and are we supposed to take you seriously or just laugh? So are we just supposed to read your post and assume you're smart or something- like we should all listen to you? Please elaborate.

I don't think they get tired, I think they mentally quit.

diego followed him around like margarito would baldomir has a chin like margarito does and the only edge margarito has over those 2 is probably his body punches so i can't see a fight with margarito playing out any better for margarito than it did for baldomir or corrales.margarito put pressure on cotto yet didn't win a round on most peoples score card so how would he win rounds against floyd?does floyd have a history of gassin out? has floyd been kd or stopped? mayweather is better than cotto in every way possible but most importantly a better counter puncher better movement and better defense the only edge margarito has over baldomir is body punching? and are we supposed to take you seriously or just laugh?

True but chico was ripped apart and baldomir is not as relentless. Its almost guaranteed that margarito will be just following floyd the whole fight (and taking his time just like the cotto fight). Just curious since both seem to put a huge amount of pressure on their opponents. floyds conditioning>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cottos conditioning

True but chico was ripped apart and baldomir is not as relentless. Its almost guaranteed that margarito will be just following floyd the whole fight (and taking his time just like the cotto fight). Just curious since both seem to put a huge amount of pressure on their opponents. diego followed him around like margarito would baldomir has a chin like margarito does and the only edge margarito has over those 2 is probably his body punches so i can't see a fight with margarito playing out any better for margarito than it did for baldomir or corrales.margarito put pressure on cotto yet didn't win a round on most peoples score card so how would he win rounds against floyd?does floyd have a history of gassin out? has floyd been kd or stopped? mayweather is better than cotto in every way possible but most importantly a better counter puncher better movement and better defense

did you see the corrales fight or the baldomir fight? True but chico was ripped apart and baldomir is not as relentless. Its almost guaranteed that margarito will be just following floyd the whole fight (and taking his time just like the cotto fight). Just curious since both seem to put a huge amount of pressure on their opponents.

Floyd obviously mastered the art of exhausting his foes using their own power against them, as well as psychologically beating them with his taunts. A good question is, would it be enough to make manny lose his steam? The only way to truly find out is for them to get it on in the ring IMHO.

On the physical side of things: Underrated body work, plus his defense, and ring generalship usually means you are gonna fight at his pace. On the mental side of things he's a superb counter puncher so you have to make a more conscious effort to stay in position, not over extend on punches, etc... or else something will be coming back. Hell even if you did everything right a lot of times he could still get you and that in itself will also wear you down physically.

floyds style puts alot of pressure on your mentally. if he senses any weakness or hesistation you are screwed. he was eating ortiz alive with lead rights and checks. dude had never seen anything like it. cotto would give up way sooner than margarito and pac made him.

A lot of people have hit it on the nose already, and it's how i've seen it for a while; Mayweather can make it seem like fighters have gassed or gassed early, but it's a combination of expending a lot of energy for a very minimal result, and being mentally frustrated at the fact what always works for you isn't doing it. Not to mention the accurate payback dished out on the regular for damn every mistake. I gotta be honest with you though about 2 things: First, his conditioning is unmatched by anyone i've ever seen in boxing & that's my honest opinion. He's excellent at conserving energy, but when he needs to he can push himself, it just so happens he rarely needs to. Second, I don't buy for 1 second that he doesn't watch his opponent's fights, that's just some bull**** to say to make himself seem even that much greater. He boxes when he needs to box, he stands when he needs to stand and he walks his opponents down when he needs to, I've almost never seen him go into a fight with the wrong game plan, even when he's losing early rounds he's doing exactly what earns him the win in the long run.

Thanks for the answers. My question then becomes "Would that make someone like Antonio Margarito particulary dangerous for Floyd considering hes pretty much a non-thinking stalker who wouldnt be worried about counter punches since he blocks everything with his face." This forcing floyd into the postion of Cotto last week in which hes the fighter being pressured and constantly moving. Although Cotto was clearly beating Margarito last week it was pretty clear that the effort involved was huge and arguebly was wearing cotto out before the fight was stopped. did you see the corrales fight or the baldomir fight?

Thanks for the answers. My question then becomes "Would that make someone like Antonio Margarito particulary dangerous for Floyd considering hes pretty much a non-thinking stalker who wouldnt be worried about counter punches since he pretty much blocks everything with his face." This forcing floyd into the postion of Cotto last week in which hes the fighter being pressured and constantly moving. Although Cotto was clearly beating Margarito last week it was pretty clear that the effort involved was huge and arguebly was wearing cotto out before the fight was stopped. It could, but I highly doubt it. Unlike Cotto, and Shane to some extent, Floyd has proved he doesn't have to be able to hurt you to win. I see a fight vs. any version of Margarito being a 12 round boxing lesson that most casual fans would find boring.

Thanks for the answers. My question then becomes "Would that make someone like Antonio Margarito particulary dangerous for Floyd considering hes pretty much a non-thinking stalker who wouldnt be worried about counter punches since he blocks everything with his face." This forcing floyd into the postion of Cotto last week in which hes the fighter being pressured and constantly moving. Although Cotto was clearly beating Margarito last week it was pretty clear that the effort involved was huge and arguebly was wearing cotto out before the fight was stopped.

When add it all together in total it makes sense. PBF puts a lot of mental pressure on them because they worrying about counters and missing. They are constantly having to think for every second of every round. Then you add missing punches and that takes so much of a fighter. Then getting countered with peferctly places shots all of that adds up. So when you add the mental along with the physical I can see how fightes wear down against PBF cause they can't fight relaxed against him. this is the reason right here ^^^ and i think when opponents fight floyd they are tight and not relaxed because of his speed timing and intellegence which makes them think more and more cautious than normal