Margarito without hand wraps. Would he have a winning record?

Rosales, he was found with PRE-USED plaster wraps. Who'd he use these pre-used plaster wraps on? I just don't get how you can say you don't think he used them previously, when the plaster wraps were pre-used. I can't imagine so blindly following a fighter as to deny concrete evidence. I mean, it's sports, not your family member. The guy cheated, yet he still has fans. He cheated YOU too by not winning fights cleanly. I would feel sick to my stomach if someone came back and proved that Corrales used loaded gloves for his career. I honestly would feel stabbed in the back as a fan, not defending him. It's truly sickening to me.

The thing that bugs me about this is the following: Luis Resto wore loaded gloves, got caught and went to prison for 2.5 years. Antonio Margarito wore loaded gloves, got caught and went on to cash in big time versus Pacman and Cotto. TY TopRank..... Bob Arum, baby. He'd probably get Ike out of prison if he needed a heavyweight to stir up controversy and make a quick buck.

The thing that bugs me about this is the following: Luis Resto wore loaded gloves, got caught and went to prison for 2.5 years. Antonio Margarito wore loaded gloves, got caught and went on to cash in big time versus Pacman and Cotto. TY TopRank.....

The most significant fight that showed he was using something was the Lujan fight...man he almost tore his ear off

Like I said, when your opponent has no fear of your power, they hit you. A lot. They take chances to hit you. They laugh at your power and keep drilling you in the face. That's how you suffer eye injuries. That's how taking away plaster changes a career.

How can you possibly make that claim with a straight face? Are you laughing behind your computer screen? 3 fights with no plaster. No damage done to any opponent whatsoever. Heavy handed my foot. Plaster naturally makes any hand heavier. Maybe that's what you meant. He did do damage to both Pac and Cotto. Anyways, yes Marg is a heavy handed fighter. And, as far as I know he hasn't used plaster in any of his fights.

Rosales, here's what I'm saying. As fighters go up in weight, the 2 oz difference should take care of itself. If you're a powerful puncher at 147 with 8 oz gloves, then you should be the same with 10 oz gloves at 153. Given the fact that Marg could be considered a big JMW, I don't see how the extra 2 oz would have that much of a difference. Not necessarily though because there are different types of power. There's the 1 punch KO power, there's the accumulation of punches wearing you down power, heavy handed. Here's what I'm saying...You can't say well look Cotto face here and then look at Cotto face there...Boom he used plaster. Because, you will do more damage with 8oz then you will do with 10oz. I mean obviously Marg power was still there. Because, again Cotto didn't come out clean in that fight. But, the damage wasn't as much because of the glove size difference. And, Cotto would have won regardless if it was 8oz because of Marg right eye.

No one is saying 10oz are pillows here. And, Marg is heavy handed his power is not 1 punch power. His stoppage came from accumulation of punches wearing you down. Cotto was doing damage do an already damaged area. Marg was doing his thing also. Is not like Cotto face was clean afterwards. But, his face and the damage could have been worse if it was 8oz. And, like the TS said 8oz Cotto would have stopped Marg earlier because Marg was going in with a handicap(his right eye) How can you possibly make that claim with a straight face? Are you laughing behind your computer screen? 3 fights with no plaster. No damage done to any opponent whatsoever. Heavy handed my foot. Plaster naturally makes any hand heavier. Maybe that's what you meant.

There would have been some slight difference, this is true. But truth is that when people say it like 10oz are pillows, it's only because they have been hit with gloves at all in their lives. Let's put it this way, Cotto was still doing damage, Margarito wasn't. IF his power was as damaging simply because he used 8oz before, he should have been able to transfer that power to a 10oz. No one is saying 10oz are pillows here. And, Marg is heavy handed his power is not 1 punch power. His stoppage came from accumulation of punches wearing you down. Cotto was doing damage do an already damaged area. Marg was doing his thing also. Is not like Cotto face was clean afterwards. But, his face and the damage could have been worse if it was 8oz. And, like the TS said 8oz Cotto would have stopped Marg earlier because Marg was going in with a handicap(his right eye)

Yeah, it's true that chins can bail you out in some fights, but you have to have SOME power. And so far, we've seen no evidence whatsoever that Margarito can hurt an opponent without plaster. The three meaningful fights he's had without it, all his opponents took his shots just fine. He didn't knock anybody down and he didn't hurt anybody. And we're talking about Cotto, who's been hurt plenty of times in his career. Mosley, Pacquiao and Cotto just walked through his weak ass shots and beat the crud out of him. Oliver McCall's chin won him fights, but he at least had pop. Margarito has pillows for fists without plaster.

Margarito doesnt deserve the big pay days, he is a bum if it werent for that chin he wouldnt be nothing. STILL I admit he has great stamina too, so he would be able to beat some, but i dont think he would have been a world champ. I am Mexican and i am ashamed of this guy, i hope he doesnt retire and they match him against some other good 154- 160 fighter, so he can get that eye pummeled into dust. I would love to watch him get punished by Kirkland, Canelo, Martinez, Quillin, or many others.

LOL, smaller gloves and Margarito doesn't see round 6 IMO.

But, you don't think the difference in power in both fights could have been due to the gloves difference? There would have been some slight difference, this is true. But truth is that when people say it like 10oz are pillows, it's only because they have been hit with gloves at all in their lives. Let's put it this way, Cotto was still doing damage, Margarito wasn't. IF his power was as damaging simply because he used 8oz before, he should have been able to transfer that power to a 10oz.

I don't think glove size matters. Guys get KO'd at 154 all the time. Marg is a skinny 154'lber at 5'11. I don't see why his power shouldn't have carried to 154 like many other fighters that get KO victories with 10 oz gloves at 154. Of course glove size matters. The bigger up in weight you go the bigger the glove size is. No one saying you can't get KO'd with 10oz glovez. But, you will do more damage with 8oz gloves no? Why don't you think HW's fight with 8oz? Because, they're too big and the damage will much greater. If they were weighing 8oz gloves. Not only would Cotto punches affect Marg(eye) more but Marg punches would have affected Cotto more so than the 10oz did. Again yes guys at 154 get KO'd with 10oz gloves all the time...But, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the difference of both fights.

It's in my opinion that it was right after that fight that the plaster came back. I say came back because Margo's power was either there or it wasn't. He broke the record on most punches thrown vs Clottey ans he was fine, then after the Williams lost (in which all he has was a swollen eye) his power was devastating until he got caught and then nothing ever since. Not that he doesn't has power, of course he does. But is it the same as in some other fights? People talk as if there is no change just because Cotto has some facial bruises...this is absurd But, you don't think the difference in power in both fights could have been due to the gloves difference? Seriously though the Margarito of last night would defeat many many B level fighters. I have no doubt about it. Incredible Chin and Stamina, he would simply out will most. Let's not act like Miguel walked away taking no damage. But yeah I still no personal respect for Margarcheato. That's depending on how his eye would of held up....People want to act as if this is proof that he used plaster for Cotto. 2 things they're not taking into account. 1 the size and style of the gloves, 2 his eye....We already knew that was a huge problem going into that would affect the fight.

I don't think that's fair. Clearly, the beatings he took from Shane Mosley and then Manny Pacquiao took a lot out of him. Your brain (reactions, punches, hand-eye) just doesn't work the same when you've been hit in the head as many times as he has. I can buy the logic about the brain. That's proven. But you also get hit a lot more when your opponent knows you can't hurt him as we saw with Cotto last night taking chances because he had no fear of Margarito's power. If Cintron (big hitter), Martinez and many others don't fear Margarito's power (like Mosley and Cotto didn't), they probably light him up for stoppage wins too. That's how I honestly feel.

Seriously though the Margarito of last night would defeat many many B level fighters. I have no doubt about it. Incredible Chin and Stamina, he would simply out will most. Let's not act like Miguel walked away taking no damage. But yeah I still no personal respect for Margarcheato. I don't know if I agree with that. Cotto always busts up. Look at the Mayorga fight. His face busts up easy. It doesn't mean Margarito did any damage. I saw maybe 5 good shots from Margarito all fight, and none of them made Cotto even flinch.

Seriously though the Margarito of last night would defeat many many B level fighters. I have no doubt about it. Incredible Chin and Stamina, he would simply out will most. Let's not act like Miguel walked away taking no damage. But yeah I still no personal respect for Margarcheato.

What's even more awesome is that Paul Williams ate plaster from this guy for 12 rounds and didn't even go down. That's ****ing awesome, though honestly it's probably screwed Willams' career up the way it did Cotto's for a bit. It's in my opinion that it was right after that fight that the plaster came back. I say came back because Margo's power was either there or it wasn't. He broke the record on most punches thrown vs Clottey ans he was fine, then after the Williams lost (in which all he has was a swollen eye) his power was devastating until he got caught and then nothing ever since. Not that he doesn't has power, of course he does. But is it the same as in some other fights? People talk as if there is no change just because Cotto has some facial bruises...this is absurd

Poor Cintron. :crucified