Inspired from Javysouthpaw thread. Let's talk about the tactics which can take down Mayweather. In my opinion, Pacquiao is the only one who has the tools to win against Floyd. Consistently jabbing and feinting, consistently changing your pace, changing you avenue of approach. This seem to be the perfect ingredients for a match again Mayweather.
Discuss!
floyd is really vulnerable and not just vs southpaws...
he really does not like pressure .. non stop onslaught (high punch output whether not landing cleanly) equals very poor offensive work rate for floyd...
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Manny isn't a pressure Boxer. He uses constant ambush attacks, move to another direction, then reset and repeat. If he hurt you, then that's when he'll use constant pressure to clean your clock. All that sound great and all, except for the part when he misses with those ambush attacks; which cause him to be off balance and leave himself open to get counter.
In order to do that your opponent must do it as well. As long as Manny would pivoting/circling around in the middle of the ring, Floyd would have to no choice but to constantly turn with him. Did you saw when Floyd mocked Ortiz's footwork during his media day workout? He knew Ortiz doesn't constantly use lateral movement by pivoting or circling around the ring; Therefore he didn't really have any reason to did so. It's the same thing with Mosley, he didn't constantly circled around the ring against Floyd either. When Marquez fought Floyd, he did constantly used side-steps and circled around the ring, and Floyd adapted to his movement and constantly turned with him.
some stats from the may ortiz fight
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http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n543/joungjack/mayort-total.png
(one thing to note, a lot of jabs with no intentions, and a lot of grazing punches, also counted punches in clinch)
I think Sergio Martinez can beat him. His style would give Floyd fits and his size advantage would be too much for Floyd, IMO. Martinez can fight going backwards he has a piston like jab(when he wants to use it) and he fights at a very unorthodox pace.
I don't think anyone at 147 or 154 has the tools to beat him.
if mayweather comes in agressive against pacquiao like he did against ortiz then pacquiao will beat him. the mayweather that fought ortiz was for the most part coming forward (rarely circling) and standing in front of ortiz the whole night and you just don't do that with pacquiao. if mayweather does fight aggressive against pacquiao then we can see a fight similar to leonard vs duran I where leonard lost because he tried to fight duran's fight instead of outboxing duran like many people expected him to do.
In order to do that your opponent must do it as well. As long as Manny would pivoting/circling around in the middle of the ring, Floyd would have to no choice but to constantly turn with him. Did you saw when Floyd mocked Ortiz's footwork during his media day workout? He knew Ortiz doesn't constantly use lateral movement by pivoting or circling around the ring; Therefore he didn't really have any reason to did so. It's the same thing with Mosley, he didn't constantly circled around the ring against Floyd either. When Marquez fought Floyd, he did constantly used side-steps and circled around the ring, and Floyd adapted to his movement and constantly turned with him.
Here are some examples of fighters who can beat FLoyd:
A) Size, reach bigger than Floyd and with solid jabs (powerful right hand would be a plus). Hearn
B) Pressure fighters like Frazier or Duran with excellent inside game.
C) Outslicks Floyd : Whitaker and SRL.
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I like the video nice you shut me up lol! I still think Floyd takes Pac by unanimous decision tho lol! Uhhhh...i have listed my fav fighters NOT who i think is p4p....and to think im biased.....MY VIDEO THAT I MADE...this outta shut you up with this whole biased garbage talk.
thats before pacs fight with marquez and before ARUM SAID THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING WITH MAYWEATHER! Read the interviews and stop going by peoples opinions read the interviews with ariza and freddy roach they even say pac wants the fight but arum doesn't and now pac is saying he will decide who he will fight after xmas!!this is new...
I don't understand how you can come to this conclusion after the last 2 fighters who tried these rough house tactic got knocked out(Hatton, Ortiz).
This is boxing...Floyd doesn't fight in the UFC.
you guys actually count ortiz?
i think to beat mayweather one has to make it into a very dirty roughhouse tactic fight. like constantly hugging,grabbing, headbutting, leaning and putting a lot of weight on mayweather and don't let him box. can't out box the master
but you can out hustle him. most fighter tried to box with him in the past. someone should really train only roughhouse tactics for a mayweather fight.
I don't understand how you can come to this conclusion after the last 2 fighters who tried these rough house tactic got knocked out(Hatton, Ortiz).
This is boxing...Floyd doesn't fight in the UFC.
I dont necessarily think theres a 'blueprint' on how to beat Floyd, because of his adaptability.
However, he has a number of weaknesses, as all fighters do, that I would take into account if I wear fighting him.
1. Jab to the body. This is actually Mayweather's best punch in my book(or maybe jsut my favorite), but also one of the best ways to open up his defense. Mosley was flicking to the body before rocking Mayweather badly with a right hand. DLH landed one of his biggest and cleanest shots on Maywather by flicking to the body and throwing the right hand up top. Castillo also did this, although it wasnt as pronounced and mostly is seen as him just working his way in.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/ChilliVerde/the%20fight/cantrunforever.gif
2. The southpaw right hook. Judah was able to catch Mayweather a number of times with this punch, and it sort of makes sense why. Mayweather's right hand is usually glued to his face to prevent left hooks, and he uses his shoulder for the left hand. If you throw the right hook at the right angle or as a counter, you can get over that left shoulder and land on the temple. Dont forget Corley also hurt Mayweather with a right hook quite badly.
3. Body shots, forcing fight at close range. Pretty self explanatory. Going to the body prevents Mayweather from using his head movement, and getting at close range prevents him from using his legs. Much easier target, although still a hell of a problem to hit. Castillo is still the guy to give Mayweather his toughest fights, and I would follow his strategy if I were a Mayweather opponent.
All that being said, someone like Mayweather is so versatile and talented, it would be very difficult to beat him, to say the least.
I agree wholeheartedly with saying that a Thomas Hearns would make mincemeat out of Mayweather, but a fighter with that kind of skill and physical advantages is in a class of their own, you cant form a strategy based on that.
Here we go again.. May don't even have to prove he could beat pacquiao.. Cause he'd beat him anyway.. Just like Marg and Cotto.. Floyd would win anyway. Yep!
To go back on topic, I think the people who gave Floyd the most trouble were guys who were bigger than him and imposed their size on him. Guys like Ortiz and ODH. Floyd still beat these guys but they were able to make it uncomfortable for him. Hatton doesn't count because he did not have the size to muscle Floyd around. I think a guy like Kirckland would give him trouble. Pacquiao does not fight like this he instead tries to use his speed and punching power to overwhelm people but if you just sit back and let him come to you and don't get careless with your defense he is very beatable.
You still don't know WTF you are talking about. Did Arum off PBF 8 mill yes but it had things with it like an extension of his contract with Arum. These are Arums words from and ESPN interview. PBF would have fought Margarito for the 8 mill but he wanted Cotto after Margarito for a garaunteed 10 mill and then De la Hoya for a garaunteed 20 mill to which Arum said NO. So explain to me how PBF made a bad move by not fighting Margarito but fighting Baldomir instead for 8 mill plus $1?
As Denzel Washington said in Traning Day "THIS SH!T IS CHESS NOT CHECKERS!!!" Basically don't take the first offer without seeing what else is out there.
CHUUURCH!!!! Truer words have never been spoken lol!!! Floyd wanted to take control of his career...isn't that what most ppl want to be...THEIR OWN BOSS?! If u think that boxers are supposed to be robots and be blind to the business aspect of boxing ur retarded!!!
SMART'N UP!!
jmm arguably beat pac and thats without needing to play games like extra testing ad sh1t, why cant floyd do the same?...becuase he is a coward, thats why...
I had it a draw, but would agree either way.
You're still on the coward talk? That's weak, the truth is out. OST "is not an issue", everything according to Team Pac has been agreed to. That was up until Bob had the retired judge call Mayweather and say leave them alone.
Again, Bob Arum is the one who will make or break the fight. Now Pac needs to man up and tell Bob to shut up and color. The media is asking for Mayweather, the fans are asking for Mayweather and even the pactards are asking for Mayweather.
Yet somehow you're stuck on retard with the ost, floyd is scared, floyd is a coward BS.....lol
Everyone is waiting on Pac to b*tch slap Arum and make the fight with Mayweather. Mayweather is not the one you should be calling a coward... Again, you are confused.
At the end of the day team Pac has 2 options:
1. Give JMM whatever he wants to make a 4th fight
2. Fight Floyd Mayweather
The world awaits on Team Pac to make the call because ost or not, Bob is not letting Pac fight Mayweather unless Pac grows a pair and forces Bob to make it.
That was a damn good video!!! Good work I mean that for real. Got anymore of other boxers?
Thx dude. Just one of Oscar, and Pacman. Oscar one is old and made by my younger brother so nothing great, and the Manny one i made on the fly so nothing special. I want to do a Hopkins one next :) My youtube is spurs2k6 if you want to browse, and thanks for the love for the vid bud
Uhhhh...i have listed my fav fighters NOT who i think is p4p....and to think im biased.....MY VIDEO THAT I MADE...this outta shut you up with this whole biased garbage talk.
That was a damn good video!!! Good work I mean that for real. Got anymore of other boxers?
Never thought I'd see the day where I'd use the term but Michael Wilbon is the definition of an Uncle Tom. Not because of calling Mayweather a coward. It's because he's been calling Mayweather a coward for two years straight and in light of the blatant ducking by Pacquaio et co, has yet to say a word on it and at the very least apologised to Floyd. He's a disgrace in all honesty.
uncle tom for telling it like it is?....ssshhhiiitt
Don't you love how Patards try to use ESPN to back up their argument? But when guys like Teddy Atlas, Kieran Mulvaney, and Dan Rafael state that Mayweather is superior suddenly these guys hate ESPN! LMAO you guys are too funny.
pactards acknowldege that floyd is a better skilled (texbook) fighter than pac ...he's just not a better fighter than pac...
You are confused though. Floyd is not playing games. Bob Arum has and is. The ost is NOT that big of deal. Team Pac has MADE it a big deal. Really, look from outside the box. Forget your hate about Floyd and just look at the situation. Bob has you like a puppet, just like he has Pac who wants to fight Floyd but is not allowed too. Daddy Bob is protecting him like he has for years.
Bob Arum is the one who will make or break this fight. Not Floyd. Team Pac are the ones using the OST as a way of saying Floyd is scared.. lol You guys are buying into that BS.
Like I have said to you before, OST is not an issue, hell Bob said it hasn't for years.. They all agreed. Everyone has agreed. There is NOTHING more to agree to. Everything is a go. That is until Bob said stop calling, stop asking to fight us.. If Floyd keeps it up any longer Bob might put a restraining order on them.
Really, there is nothing more to argue about, the concept of Floyd being "scared" and or a "coward" has officially been proven false, a made up lie to raise Pac's stock. To give the perception that Pac is the "new" guy to beat Floyd.... The truth is out, the hype is over. Even the media is siding with Floyd. Bob knows what to do, lets hope he makes the fight with Floyd. They have 2 options.
1. Give JMM whatever he wants to get the fight
2. Fight Floyd Mayweather
You do the math.
jmm arguably beat pac and thats without needing to play games like extra testing ad sh1t, why cant floyd do the same?...becuase he is a coward, thats why...