Boxing writers score for Pac-JMM 3

Agree with you sentiments here dude. Originally I watched the fight and thought he was robbed, I had Marquez up 116 rounds to 112. On replay I had it much closer 115 rounds to 113 Marquez or a draw. Either way Pacman should not have got the victory IMO, if it was going to anyone Marquez should have come out on top. A lot of the punches I thought Pac missed he actually landed on replay, but Marquez controlled the fight and its style and landed the best combinations and cleaner punches by far. The HBO commentary was so pro Pacquiao, I only heard it when I watched the replay and Lederman's card was a disgrace. It was all for Pacquiao, all benefit of the doubt and much support. No need for a rematch as I can't see anything changing for the next one, close and difficult to call again unless Pacquiao comes out fighting in his old vein and takes risks to put Marquez away. I don't think Marquez can knock Pacquiao out. The question is who does Pacquiao face? I wouldn't give Pac a chance against Mayweather after that performance, or his last few, Mayweather will take him for 12 rounds and school him. No way in hell Pac beats Floyd, even Khan said it. Before Saturday I would have picked Pac to beat Floyd. Not anymore!

I just scored again, and gave all of the close rounds to pac, and still at worst should have been a draw. There is no way in hell he won by 116, or 115 imo. No way. I wouldnt complain as much about a draw, but imo pac did nothing big to win the fight. He was flustered and outboxed all night. All through the later rounds the announcers were ragging on marquez for not doing enough...well wtf did pacquiao the champ do? IMo, truth be told, they were not gonna let marquez ruin a mega million payday. At he end of the day, money talks. Thats why im not too sold on seeing a rematch. It will be another good match, but the end will be much of the same. Its a shame, this could have been a shining moment. Agree with you sentiments here dude. Originally I watched the fight and thought he was robbed, I had Marquez up 116 rounds to 112. On replay I had it much closer 115 rounds to 113 Marquez or a draw. Either way Pacman should not have got the victory IMO, if it was going to anyone Marquez should have come out on top. A lot of the punches I thought Pac missed he actually landed on replay, but Marquez controlled the fight and its style and landed the best combinations and cleaner punches by far. The HBO commentary was so pro Pacquiao, I only heard it when I watched the replay and Lederman's card was a disgrace. It was all for Pacquiao, all benefit of the doubt and much support. No need for a rematch as I can't see anything changing for the next one, close and difficult to call again unless Pacquiao comes out fighting in his old vein and takes risks to put Marquez away. I don't think Marquez can knock Pacquiao out. The question is who does Pacquiao face? I wouldn't give Pac a chance against Mayweather after that performance, or his last few, Mayweather will take him for 12 rounds and school him.

people still crying over this lol get over it. i had it 116-112 pac, marquez only won rounds 2,5,7,8 imo. the rounds marquez won were more clear then the rounds pacquiao won. some of the rounds i gave pacquiao were even but he was the aggressor so i gave it too him marquez didnt want to fight And you are in the Minority good for you.

WTF with ESPN's Dan Rafael. After the fight, ESPN showed Dan's scorecards, 7-5 for Pac. Now saying He has it a draw. But here is the link with Dan showing 7-5. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7232766/manny-pacquiao-struggles-beat-juan-manuel-marquez he was just sucking up to pac or off the tit of top prank's bob arum. he's still a little delusional from fight night, i heard lots of people were throwing bottles, must have hit him too to come up with that shit scorecard. oh well, the blind will continue to be blind.

Man get sense. He fights for money. He's just made probably up to $10 miil, and you want him to walk away from a possible further $10 mill. Don't allow fans' enthusiasms and loonieness to influence clear thinking. I'll bet that he'll jump at the chance of another Pacquiao fight, after maybe playing it a bilt coy to try to up the purse a bit. Every boxer at anywhere close to the weight is just itching for a fight with MannyP even thought they know they'll likely take a heavy beating. They want that purse which will probably double everythig they've earned in their whole careers total, and more. They don't want to fight Mayweather which would be much easier on them physically, they want to fight MannyP who has alltime global appeal. Martinez, the 154 lb champ and present undoubted middleweight champ is just slavering at the mouth for the opportunity to half kill himself to come down to 150 lbs to fight Pacquiao, just waiting for the word. So again, get sense. and the only ones who get the shot are guys on their way down or with a nice loss on their record, made for an easy win to feed his fans into believing he's a demigod. just about every fighter who wants manny wants floyd, they're guaranteed career high paychecks. only difference is you need to be busted up to get the pacman first. mayweather is nowhere to be find for the most part.

WTF with ESPN's Dan Rafael. After the fight, ESPN showed Dan's scorecards, 7-5 for Pac. Now saying He has it a draw. But here is the link with Dan showing 7-5. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7232766/manny-pacquiao-struggles-beat-juan-manuel-marquez

I'm still a little in shock even today that they robbed Marquez so blatantly. I had it 116 - 112 for Marquez. It's pretty obvious they will never let JMM win a decision over Pac the best revenge he can do is walk away from Pac and tell him to stop running from Mayweather. Man get sense. He fights for money. He's just made probably up to $10 miil, and you want him to walk away from a possible further $10 mill. Don't allow fans' enthusiasms and loonieness to influence clear thinking. I'll bet that he'll jump at the chance of another Pacquiao fight, after maybe playing it a bilt coy to try to up the purse a bit. Every boxer at anywhere close to the weight is just itching for a fight with MannyP even thought they know they'll likely take a heavy beating. They want that purse which will probably double everythig they've earned in their whole careers total, and more. They don't want to fight Mayweather which would be much easier on them physically, they want to fight MannyP who has alltime global appeal. Martinez, the 154 lb champ and present undoubted middleweight champ is just slavering at the mouth for the opportunity to half kill himself to come down to 150 lbs to fight Pacquiao, just waiting for the word. So again, get sense.

PolkasO at 4:48 PM November 14, 2011 The breakdown among writers was 12 for Marquez, seven in favor of a draw and one for Pacquiao. Below is the complete list and the scores: Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com: 115-113, Marquez Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114 Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114 Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114 Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114 Nice. I have it 115-113 for JMM. But I am going to re-watch it a few times without being soo drunk like on Sat. :D

people still crying over this lol get over it. i had it 116-112 pac, marquez only won rounds 2,5,7,8 imo. the rounds marquez won were more clear then the rounds pacquiao won. some of the rounds i gave pacquiao were even but he was the aggressor so i gave it too him marquez didnt want to fight

Graham Houston Fight News.com -Pacquiao Stephen Edaward boxing talk.com- 116-112 Pacquiao Scott Shaffer boxing talk.com- 115-113 Pacquiao Greg Leon Boxing Talk.com - 115-114 Pacquiao Doveed Linder Boxing talk.com-114-114 Draw basically my point is that this fight is very split. hard to call it a robbery one way or another. those were the only 2 other sites ive visited besides this one and Espn I had it 15-13 for Pac; believe Jake here at the site did as well. Let the debate rage for years (and Lawdy it will)

9 out of those 12 that game Marquez had him winning by one round. One round...hardly robbery with things that close.

thats weird, I just seen rick reeno do an interview on a filipino network saying he had Marquez winning. Rick Reeno has had a picture of Manny Pacquiao on his profile for a while. That's not a big deal, but it does make you wonder. Although to Reeno's defense, he believes Mayweather beats Pacquiao.

marquez is gonna be crying for a long time. he had his chance to nut up or shut up but chose to play it safe Marquez is not to blame here he beat Manny Pacquiao everybody at the fight knows that, including the Pacquiao fans who took off their team Pacquiao gear and said they were sorry to the Marquez fans, thats right they took off their **** cus they were ****ing disgusted at what they saw.

check his twitter Look, you still gotta beat the champ. Points is just not enough.

These guys don't know shyt about boxing. Remember.... its only Filipinos and Pacretards who are the experts. Lol I'm still wondering about that 116-112 for Juice. Wtf?!?! Also.... Dana White- Marquez got robbed. Wow, Dana is a Juice fan too. he said this? source please.

Jake Donavan boxingscene 115-113 pacquiao Cliff Rold boxingscene 115-113 pacquiao These F@ckin pactard dont know sh1t about boxing i guess they weren't watching the same fight everyone in the arena was watching, as well as every pro boxer. especially this guy: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/insights/11/14/11/nathanielsz-i-believe-pacquiao-lost-marquez

At the post-fight presser I got the thoughts of several ringsiders watching the bout and the majority had Marquez winning... The article below highlights this Many ringside observers feel Marquez got the best of Pacquiao -CR

I just scored again, and gave all of the close rounds to pac, and still at worst should have been a draw. There is no way in hell he won by 116, or 115 imo. No way. I wouldnt complain as much about a draw, but imo pac did nothing big to win the fight. He was flustered and outboxed all night. All through the later rounds the announcers were ragging on marquez for not doing enough...well wtf did pacquiao the champ do? IMo, truth be told, they were not gonna let marquez ruin a mega million payday. At he end of the day, money talks. Thats why im not too sold on seeing a rematch. It will be another good match, but the end will be much of the same. Its a shame, this could have been a shining moment. Had JMM KO'd Pacquiao they probably would have disqualified him.:nonono:

I just scored again, and gave all of the close rounds to pac, and still at worst should have been a draw. There is no way in hell he won by 116, or 115 imo. No way. I wouldnt complain as much about a draw, but imo pac did nothing big to win the fight. He was flustered and outboxed all night. All through the later rounds the announcers were ragging on marquez for not doing enough...well wtf did pacquiao the champ do? IMo, truth be told, they were not gonna let marquez ruin a mega million payday. At he end of the day, money talks. Thats why im not too sold on seeing a rematch. It will be another good match, but the end will be much of the same. Its a shame, this could have been a shining moment.

Graham Houston Fight News.com -Pacquiao Stephen Edaward boxing talk.com- 116-112 Pacquiao Scott Shaffer boxing talk.com- 115-113 Pacquiao Greg Leon Boxing Talk.com - 115-114 Pacquiao Doveed Linder Boxing talk.com-114-114 Draw basically my point is that this fight is very split. hard to call it a robbery one way or another. those were the only 2 other sites ive visited besides this one and Espn Jake Donavan boxingscene 115-113 pacquiao Cliff Rold boxingscene 115-113 pacquiao These F@ckin pactard dont know sh1t about boxing