Can you guys give me Legit reasons as to why someone would not like Joe Frazier?

I would imagine if Ali is one of your favorites, you may not like the guy who fought him better than anyone else. Quite the reverse - it was the fights with Frazier more than any other that made Ali such a superstar and defined his career. And Norton did at least as well against Ali as Frazier did, although he didn't get any breaks from the judges.

I would imagine if Ali is one of your favorites, you may not like the guy who fought him better than anyone else.

But to the topic of this tread There really isn't a legit reason to hate on frazier other than being a die hard Ali fan. I have never ever seen any post from any Ali fan who hates Frazier. Some - and not just Ali fans - consider him to have been overrated (which I think you can make a good case for - but considering someone to have been overrated is a million miles away from hating them). Some do hate the fact that he once said that Ali deserved to get Parkinson's disease, but hating something someone once said is not the same thing as hating that person. I hate some things I have said in the past but I don't hate myself. As for why he doesn't get as much public adulation as Ali, in addition to the reasons that have been mentioned in this thread, the fact is that without his fights with Ali, Frazier's career would have been nothing much, and his time at the top was pretty short - whereas Ali's was at the top for almost 2 decades and he had many other career-defining wins other than against Frazier.

I don't think I've ever seen any footage heading into that fight of a white guy saying they would be rooting for Ali. I was routing for Ali at that time and so was everyone I know, mostly because he was the most graceful and intelligent fighter I/we had ever seen, who made boxing beautiful, and also because I (and everyone I knew) admired the stand he took on the Vietnam war, considered him to be still the rightful champion, and thought the way he was stripped was disgraceful. I'm white. I'm from the UK but there were plenty of white Americans who also admired his stance on the Vietnam war, and plenty by then who admired his gracefulness and intelligence in the ring.

im not saying i think manny is a saint, and floyd is some bad guy - but floyd brings most of his hatred on himself. . . i mean the guy goes on racist rants, beats up on women in front of his kids, slanders a boxer by accusing him of using steroids with absolutely NO PROOF. . . talks about white people hating on him, and a bunch of other controversial, edgy, racist talk. . . obviously there is always more than what we see - but floyd has had some cowardly, fiendish, "wtf" moments. . . manny has done some foul shyt too like cheat on his wife . . but floyd brings A LOT of the hate on himself. See the term making the world think he doesn't exist doesn't apply to Floyd because even when he does amazing things, (like pay for Smoking joes funeral), people still find a way to hate on that. Everyone knows he's the bad guy. But Pacman has the world fooled, listen to espn, listen to his fans. They're butt hurt when his ferrari won't start & want to cry for him. But Floyd pays for the funeral of 2 great fighters, he gets bashed for it. But to the topic of this tread There really isn't a legit reason to hate on frazier other than being a die hard Ali fan.

Just because he's not revered by the masses doesn't mean he's disliked by anyone. Foreman and Ali were more public figures. Yur sig pic is misleading. The devils greatest trick was convincing the world he did not exist. That's more along the lines of Pacman than Floyd. Pacman gets revered where Floyd is hated, but take a deeper look & things aren't quite what they apear.

You'd have to be pretty familiar with US history during that time, certainly following the civil rights movement and into 1970's. The dichotomy that was emerging in the black population and in society overall related to the opinions people formed on Frazier once he and Ali were pitted against each other. I'm sure almost all of the documentaries touch on this issue, however, they might not go as deep into the subject because it's a verry complex issue. Black nationalism vs assimilation to be very simple. Malcom X's description of the "field vs house negro" is a start to exploring the subject. Depending on what you believed at the time would dictate which fighter you liked or disliked when Ali and Joe were to face off. The fact that Ali came to represent a sort of anti-establishment automatically put Frazier on the opposite side of the spectrum with him being more low-key, blue collar, and not interested and outspoken about what was going on in society at the time. While some viewed those traits as noble then and now, it wasn't always the case as black people in the US were literally fighting for equal rights and opinions differed on how to accomplish that mission. Those who believed that people should be more militant in their objectives took to Ali and those who wanted to assimilate and not bother too much with societies issues perhaps took to Frazier, including many( if not most) white people. I don't think I've ever seen any footage heading into that fight of a white guy saying they would be rooting for Ali. I was not living at the time, but just being somewhat familiar with the subject and putting into context with the history of society at the time, this may be where some of the "dislike" or Frazier stemmed from at the time. It's really hard to say, because depending on your beliefs and who is writing the history of the time both were surely liked/disliked by different segments on the population. And that is why Ali/Frazier is so epic on many levels, boxing and otherwise. Incredibly hard to understand the fight or fighters without knowing the context of history. Edit: The same sort of thing reared its head when Foreman waved the American flag at the Olympics - looks great and inspiring to us NOW, but at the time not everyone liked seeing a black man happy about waving a flag that still subjugated black people as second class citizens. Whatever dislike people had for Frazier probably had little to do with boxing or anything that happened between the ropes.

Just because he's not revered by the masses doesn't mean he's disliked by anyone. ya thats true, he deserves a statue too, hopefully he'll get one

see thats what ive been thinking myself, but hes NOT EVEN CLOSE to being respected by the masses like Foreman or Ali and thats before foreman grill, so thats why i did this thread, what were some reasons as to why one person would dislike Frazier Just because he's not revered by the masses doesn't mean he's disliked by anyone. Foreman and Ali were more public figures.

Who dislikes Joe? I think Frazier's reason for not liking Ali were understanding. Ali would show up at his home, hotel, everywhere and just disrespect Frazier for years. Frazier was alright...RIP champ see thats what ive been thinking myself, but hes NOT EVEN CLOSE to being respected by the masses like Foreman or Ali and thats before foreman grill, so thats why i did this thread, what were some reasons as to why one person would dislike Frazier, u cant say his career lacked anything cause it didnt, he fought with less vision too u cant say who dislikes joe frazier? cause since frazier/ali even joes homestate failed to recognize him as anything, the rocky statue to me is comedy

Who dislikes Joe? I think Frazier's reason for not liking Ali were understanding. Ali would show up at his home, hotel, everywhere and just disrespect Frazier for years. Frazier was alright...RIP champ