Why does Vitaly get credit for losing to a shot Lewis?

Jab you wan't a no flaming civil conversation in this thread. I'm not gonna be a dick, but you simply Hate Vitaly, there is no other option. You're wrong my friend, I don't hate Vitaly at all. But I am admittedly critical of his career and the way he is overrated by many on this forum. First of all, why would you even create this thread? do I need to answer this? Or posters like klit2011 and other nuthugs really get on your nerves when they cry about Vitaly? Ignorance gets on my nerves. I created this thread to counter another about Ali beating a "shot" Frazier. Difference is my thread is fact based and not just looking to incite. If it were I wouldn't have taken the time to put the trolls on ignore and I would be responding to the idiocy of Soviet and Lucky Jim who are both also on ignore as well now. Second...seriously if you start this, why say Lewis is Tired..Tired?? ok. out of shape? he could of train and 37? so what Vitaly still fights now and he is close to be 40. We both know fighters age differently. Lewis had reached the pinnacle and beaten the best fighters of his era and guys who will be remembered as all time greats. Because the two brothers will not fight Vitaly will never face the best fighter of this eraso he STILL has something to prove. And the division is at a point where it not very impressive that a 40 year old can dominate, especially given his physical advantages, skill and toughness. Lets remember, a 46 year old shot to bits Holyfield was robbed of a decision over a title holder in this era. I think that says a lot. Now by the fifth round Lewis was as tired as Vitaly, his faced just wasn't ****ed up. Saying that he was cathing up on points is silly. He promised the rematch and wheres Lewis now? giving tips to every Vitali opponent how to beat him. Lewis was as tired as Vitaly, but it's a fact that he was closing the gap in points and hitting him almost at will the last round of the fight. So he promised a rematch, big deal. Fighters say all kinds of things after hard fights. After reviewing the tape and having time to evaluate his career a man is entitled to change his mind. NOW, if he had come back from that retirement and didn't face Vitaly I'd be singing a whole different tune. I like you as a poster, but behind all these words you Do hate Vitali. hate on Wlad, I don't care. but I can tell you do have something against a real man. who didn't quit and wanted to continue, even though he probably would lose. I like you as a poster to and you're welcome to your opinion, but you're wrong. What I hate is the overrating of any fighter to suit an agenda. Fact that Vit was winning on points and didn't want the fight being stopped. posters like Larry cry that he lost by KO/TKo plain and simple. on papers yes..in reality - doctor. I'd say the facts are that cuts are part of boxing and the fight was legitimately stopped. Who was winning at the time of stoppage is irrelevant. But Vitaly didn't want the fight stopped and was a warrior...and that is the reason he gets so much credit for this loss and the exhaustion of both fighters is overlooked.

Much is said on boxing forums about "shot" boxers, but there are also some arguments that are "shot" as well, meaning that no matter what side you're on, there is nothing left to say about the topic that hasn't been said a million times already on every boxing forum in cyberspace. Lewis-Vitali is one of those "shot" topics/arguments. Shame on the TS for trying to revive it yet again for no real reason at all, other than to encourage people to take shots at Vitali Klitschko. No, it's shame on the people who give WAY to much credit for a huffing and puffing Vitaly losing to a huffing and puffing Lewis.

He was not very popular in the US when he was still active. He's become more popular now because Klitschko haters like the TS love to dwell on the result of his fight with Vitali. He wasn't all that popular in Britain for a long while. Frank Bruno retiring opened up the door for him recieving increasing support. His popularity rose when people realised he could dominate the division and Britain would have an undisputed heavyweight champion for the first time since Fitzsimmons.

First off let me start by saying Vitaly is a very good fighter, a h2h test for any heavyweight in history. But the fact is he was sucking wind against a fat, tired and unmotivated Lewis who had been knocked cold just two years before, and while he was ahead before the stoppage Lewis was closing the gap and rocking him. So other than his heart, which should be acknowledged. The portion of your post that I quoted pretty much sums up my opinion in this matter. I really like Vitali (for that matter his brother as well) and love to see him fight. I think he is the better of the 2 brothers and a fine example of what a heavyweight champ ought to be. Hell, he's even a great role model for the youngsters, but Lewis beat him fair and square and that was a Lewis who had obviously underestimated his foe. A rematch with a prepared Lewis would have likely been a lopsided affair.

First off let me start by saying Vitaly is a very good fighter, a h2h test for any heavyweight in history. But why does he get so much credit for losing to Lennox Lewis? He showed great heart by wanting to continue like a warrior and redeemed himself in the eyes of most after quitting against Byrd. But the fact is he was sucking wind against a fat, tired and unmotivated Lewis who had been knocked cold just two years before, and while he was ahead before the stoppage Lewis was closing the gap and rocking him. So other than his heart, which should be acknowledged, why does he get so much credit for losing? Let's keep this thread civil, no flaming please. Jab you wan't a no flaming civil conversation in this thread. I'm not gonna be a dick, but you simply Hate Vitaly, there is no other option. First of all, why would you even create this thread? do I need to answer this? Or posters like klit2011 and other nuthugs really get on your nerves when they cry about Vitaly? Second...seriously if you start this, why say Lewis is Tired..Tired?? ok. out of shape? he could of train and 37? so what Vitaly still fights now and he is close to be 40. Now by the fifth round Lewis was as tired as Vitaly, his faced just wasn't ****ed up. Saying that he was cathing up on points is silly. He promised the rematch and wheres Lewis now? giving tips to every Vitali opponent how to beat him. I like you as a poster, but behind all these words you Do hate Vitali. hate on Wlad, I don't care. but I can tell you do have something against a real man. who didn't quit and wanted to continue, even though he probably would lose. Fact that Vit was winning on points and didn't want the fight being stopped. posters like Larry cry that he lost by KO/TKo plain and simple. on papers yes..in reality - doctor.

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis THE TRUTH Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice. Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis barely survived the 2nd round and almost got KO'd, he was badly hurt, holding on for dear life, wobbling everywhere and staggering around the ring like a drunk. Lewis was badly hurt several times in the fight and was getting outboxed, outworked, outmuscled and outlanded by Vitali. punches landed Vitali 156 Lewis 102 Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued. After the fight, Vitali intimidated the shit out of Lewis and made him look like a bitch. All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight. Lewis promised Vitali a rematch. Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight. Lewis turned down 40 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali. Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement. http://i34.tinypic.com/izb4on.gif George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!" Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight" Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch. Lewis is scared to death of Vitali. Vitali wasn't even in his prime yet. Lewis was 37, not really that old for a HW. Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback. Lewis wasn't "shot" when he got his ass whooped by Vitali. Lewis was coming off the KO win over Tyson. In the Lewis-Tyson post fight interview Lewis stated "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age" In an interview right before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years" Vitali dominated Lewis and scared him into retirement. Vitali is a better fighter than Lewis. FACTS about Vitali Klitschko - WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world - All Time Great and Hall Of Famer - Has never truly lost - There is no blueprint to beat him - He is unbeatable - He is the most dominant fighter of all time - He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced - 45 have tried and 45 have been dominated - Has never been behind on the scorecards at the end of a fight - Has never been knocked down - He is the most intimidating HW of all time - Greatest heavyweight champ KO% of all time - Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing - Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback. - Vitali beats any HW from any era. This clown needs IP banning once and for all.

Other than heart, there should be no other reason why Vitali can be praised for losing that fight. As for 'luck from the punch', that is the biggest cop out bad losing excuse I have ever heard and only Klitlickers use it. The fight was stopped due to a serious injury that was sustained through a legal punch. A doctor (yes, DOCTOR) stopped the fight as he said that anymore damage and Vit would lose his sight. I'd rather accept a diagnosis from an esteemed Professional who looked at the injury himself than a deluded Klitlicking fanboy who desperately clings to Vitali's sac.

I think it's partly down to an attempt to discredit Lewis. It's often brought up in the context of "Yeah he was good but Vitali would have knocked him out if the fight hadn't have been stopped". There was a crisis of legitimacy around Lewis that he eventually overcome but I think it still lingers. He was a British heavyweight so recognition is the U.S is slow to come if it comes at all. Being awarded a title picked out of a bin doesn't help. There was also the debate in Britain over his nationality. I think alot of fans were slow to warm to him.

Contrary to what current boxers would have you believe, boxing isn't all about going undefeated. It's about showing who you are in the ring. Boxing is just a microcosm of life, the simplest and truest sport. In life you don't win every battle, but if you fought hard the world's gonna notice.

Way to go by copying your own **** and simply posting it again dude. I see how you got your 6,000 posts.

The reason is simple, he was dominating Lewis and winning the fight until the cut happened, after that he still kept fighting like there was no tomorrow and showed true warrior's spirit. A cut like that is a case of sheer luck (for Lewis) and says nothing about the talent or skills of either fighter, it's something that happens when a punch lands on a specific spot with a specific angle and a specific power and a specific speed. Lewis won the fight and I think he would have won on points if the fight kept going (since Vitali wouldn't be in the offense with that cut), but the whole Staples Center booing him and cheering for Vitali, plus Lennox Lewis avoiding a rematch despite having said he wanted one, shows Vitalis clear superiority in that fight. I hate that attitude with serious passion. It's not luck, just as a KO punch is not luck. Nothing is luck in the boxing game. It's training....years and years and years and years of it. Training. If it was only luck, you'd think someone else would have had the 'luck' that Lewis had....right? Maybe all the other great champions that won hard fights were just lucky....right? Training heart, experience, skill....doesn't mean anything really. It's all about luck? Give me a break cunt.

I hate that attitude with serious passion. It's not luck, just as a KO punch is not luck. Nothing is luck in the boxing game. It's training....years and years and years and years of it. Training. If it was only luck, you'd think someone else would have had the 'luck' that Lewis had....right? Maybe all the other great champions that won hard fights were just lucky....right? Training heart, experience, skill....doesn't mean anything really. It's all about luck. It is luck. You don't train a specific punch to cause a cut, you don't wait until you see you opened a cut. No matter how hard Lewis hit that punch, he wouldn't have won the fight without the cut. Look at the uppercut Lewis scored. Vitali took it and kept going. The fans don't like to see it either. They want to see a fight where two men compete until one is no longer able to keep fighting, which was definitely not the case with Vitali Klitschko. If Lewis had been able to outbox, dominate or knock out his opponent, it would have been true skill. Opening a cut is not. I'll ignore the last sentence. Good day, mate.

The doctor explained how a cut technically happens in boxing (it swats the skin between the glove and the bone and rips the skin apart) but he didn't say "Vitali would have turned blind if he fought 6 more rounds, 100%". You never know what would have happened or not. I get what you're saying, and you're right, but those were two bad cuts. Fights are usually stopped for far less than what Vitali suffered, and it certainly wasn't luck that led Vitali's eye looking so bad. I'm pretty sure I've heard somewhere that Vitali risked irreparable damage to his eye if that fight had been allowed to continue, maybe I'm mistaken.

The reason is simple, he was dominating Lewis and winning the fight until the cut happened, after that he still kept fighting like there was no tomorrow and showed true warrior's spirit. A cut like that is a case of sheer luck (for Lewis) and says nothing about the talent or skills of either fighter, it's something that happens when a punch lands on a specific spot with a specific angle and a specific power and a specific speed. Lewis won the fight and I think he would have won on points if the fight kept going (since Vitali wouldn't be in the offense with that cut), but the whole Staples Center booing him and cheering for Vitali, plus Lennox Lewis avoiding a rematch despite having said he wanted one, shows Vitalis clear superiority in that fight. I hate that attitude with serious passion. It's not luck, just as a KO punch is not luck. Nothing is luck in the boxing game. It's training....years and years and years and years of it. Training. If it was only luck, you'd think someone else would have had the 'luck' that Lewis had....right? Maybe all the other great champions that won hard fights were just lucky....right? Training heart, experience, skill....doesn't mean anything really. It's all about luck. You're a clearly a smart guy, so why don't you **** off and not come back to these forums cunt. There's a good boy.

The thing is, even a slightly overweight, past prime Lewis is as good or better than any heavyweight of the past decade. True that probably speaks to the weakness of the heavyweight division, but even that version of Lennox probably beats any Heavyweight right now. So while I definitely understand what you're saying, he gets credit because he was extremely competitive against the best heavyweight in the past 10 years and he showed tremendous heart. His fans do go overboard though, almost counting it as a win for Vitali. In reality it was your classic "win by losing" situation where guys who go out on their sheilds in competitive fights can better their careers even in a losing effort.

I may be mistaken as I haven't seen it yet, but didn't a doctor say this in the Klitschko documentary? The doctor explained how a cut technically happens in boxing (it swats the skin between the glove and the bone and rips the skin apart) but he didn't say "Vitali would have turned blind if he fought 6 more rounds, 100%". You never know what would have happened or not.

Like I said, you can't know that. I may be mistaken as I haven't seen it yet, but didn't a doctor say this in the Klitschko documentary?

The reason is simple, he was dominating Lewis and winning the fight until the cut happened, after that he still kept fighting like there was no tomorrow and showed true warrior's spirit. A cut like that is a case of sheer luck (for Lewis) and says nothing about the talent or skills of either fighter, it's something that happens when a punch lands on a specific spot with a specific angle and a specific power and a specific speed. Lewis won the fight and I think he would have won on points if the fight kept going (since Vitali wouldn't be in the offense with that cut), but the whole Staples Center booing him and cheering for Vitali, plus Lennox Lewis avoiding a rematch despite having said he wanted one, shows Vitalis clear superiority in that fight. Vitay was winning, he wasn't dominating. And there is no such thing as sheer luck in the ring. If you're tying to punch the other guy and he gets cut than you accomplished what you set out to. Cuts are part of the sport. My biggest problem with V getting so much credit is that Lewis was clearly not in the best shape, was exhausted himself and was teeing off on Klit the last two rounds. All credit for his heart and toughness, but this was clearly not a very good version of Lewis and leads me to question how Vitaly would have done with a younger, focused and motivated Lewis such as the one who showed up for the Rahman rematch.

That was terrible damage being done to his eye. Lewis would have smashed it, he was focused on it the moment it opened. Being blind is probably exaggerating, maybe not, but if that fight continues Vitali would have suffered irreparable damage. Like I said, you can't know that.

You can never know that. Look at him now, he looks fine, there isn't a tiniest scar left. That was terrible damage being done to his eye. Lewis would have smashed it, he was focused on it the moment it opened. Being blind is probably exaggerating, maybe not, but if that fight continues Vitali would have suffered irreparable damage.