Lennox is roughly 1 year older Tyson. Where was he when Mike was conquering boxing?

You do understand that Tyson was THE LAST HEAVYWEIGHT to unify the titles right? Lennox will NEVER have the aura Tyson had. Nice trolling. Tyson unified the WBC, WBA, and IBF belts. Lewis unified the WBC, WBA, IBF, and IBO belts in his rematch with Holyfield. Facts are a *****.

Lennox was an opportunist. Lewis would have gotten destroyed against a prime Iron Mike and he knows it. He used that Olympic excuse for years but the truth is Tyson and Lennox fought as amateurs and knew who each other were. Lennox wanted no parts of the phenom known as Iron Mike. He waited until Tyson was nice and thoroughly undisciplined to face him. Lennox did the same thing to Holyfield. He fought all his best competition once they were no longer in prime form. Lennox has been knocked out twice by C & D fighters IN HIS PRIME. He's been stunned by several journeymen and only survived due to the lack of the journeymen's finishing skills. See: Shannon Briggs Lewis was also one of the most boring HW champions ever. The guy jabs and then hugs. Jabs and then hugs. In his own way, Lennox was as bad as Hopkins in that regard. Had Lewis not faced Tyson and Holyfield for the name recognition on his resume, would any of you still consider him even memorable? That's an important question to ask yourself because he sure didn't beat the best version of either man. Lewis wasn't half the fighter that Tyson was. He didn't have half the skill or half the technique. I agree that Lewis had the better career between the two though because Tyson basically had a meltdown and didn't care where his career went once we entered the 1990's. Still, having a better career doesn't make Lennox even close to a prime Tyson. Skill, heart, ability to captivate and intrigue, defense ... Tyson in his prime had Lewis beat in every way. He just couldn't hold it together. By God, you post some utter garbage. It's worse than the ignorant illiterate garbage because you wrap it in eloquence which will make said ignorant illiterates more likely to believe it. Lewis took on Holyfield as soon as he could get him, and arguably in his prime. When Lewis became champion, Holyfield was in the middle of being on the losing end of a trilogy with Riddick Bowe. Before it would be complete, Lewis was on the end of a harsh stoppage at the hands of McCall, which derailed him for 2.5 years as the rematch was avoided. Lewis didn't avoid anybody, he fought everybody, and beat them all. The problem for Lewis was getting the fights, because he was a very dangerous opponent and most fighters are too well "managed" these days until the money gets a bit too big to turn down. When Tyson left jail in 95, he was no longer the force he was prior to his incarceration. (He'd arguably already declined by the time he was sent away.) Don King didn't want to feed him to Lennox Lewis, so he sought after a far more beatable opponent in Evander Holyfield, who'd been beaten by Bowe and Moorer. After Holyfield put away Tyson twice, it became all about Holyfield vs Lewis. Lewis won that battle, and then it became about Lewis vs Tyson. Tyson fought a series of stiffs to rebuild the fierce Tyson reputation and maximize the revenue for that fight, but by now Tyson was not the hungry fighter he once was, and Lewis dispatched him easily. A fight between a near-prime Tyson and Lews was never, ever on the cards. Their careers started years apart and the men peaked a decade apart. Peak Lewis always would pose problems for any Mike, due to his reach, his skills, and his toughness. In his prime, Tyson didn't fight any decent opponents. Holmes was way past his best, Spinks was a cruiserweight. Several non-entities took Mike the distance (Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Mitch Green, Tillis) and they all had something in common with Lewis - size. Mike was not great against bigger men. And this is PRIME Iron Mike, the guy who supposedly destroyed everybody. Iron Mike fans look back with rose tinted glasses. He was a prodigy, an immense talent, one of the most dangerous fighters in history, but the "leashed by D'amato" Mike was beatable, he just never faced somebody who had the tools. Lennox Lewis, in his prime, had the tools. However since they peaked a decade apart, this is all hypothetical. As for boring, anybody who calls Lewis boring obviously never saw the Vitali Klitschko, Shannon Briggs, Andrew Golota, Rahmann II, Frank Bruno fights, not to mention the boatload of 2nd round knockouts of people like Moorer, Grant. The "boring" fights I can think of are the Akinwande (he didn't want to fight?), Tua (use the right tool for the job, the jab in this case), and Mercer (which wasn't boring, just was a bad style match up for Lewis and Mercer was very tough).

Oliver Mccall and Hasim Rahman both achieved more than Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis achieved more than Mike Tyson. Lewis goes down as an ATG, Tyson as a Hall of Famer.

That's a myth. Cus died in 1985 and Tyson was pretty damn good for three or four years after that. It was Jimmy Jacobs' death that had a bigger impact on Tyson's career. The two were pretty close and it was only after Jacobs died that King was able to worm his way in and isolate Tyson from Cayton, who he never had a great relationship with. DING DING DING DING you sir got it correct. Cus left Tyson in good hands with Jimmy Jacobs. Jacobs also would have NEVER let that ******* King get even CLOSE to Tyson if he was still alive.

winning a gold medal in the olympics only to go on and become FIVE TIMES the boxer Tyson ever was. . . Even though Lennox straight BYTCHED against vitali, and was sent into retirement by the bloke - he is still one of the HW GOAT's. . . LOL GOT DAMN did he beat the brakes off Tyson! **** was BRUTAL! You do understand that Tyson was THE LAST HEAVYWEIGHT to unify the titles right? Lennox will NEVER have the aura Tyson had.

In reality, Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson was not training ANYTHING like he was when he was with Cus D'Amato. Mike had gone on a binge .. he was partying, drinking, doing drugs ... anyone who was in the club scene in New York could easily go out on a Saturday night and bump into Tyson at Bentley's. The man had all but abandoned the discipline that made him "Iron" Mike. Any real fan who watches and analyzes fights could see that Tyson had also abandoned another element that made him a phenom: His defense. Tyson had replaced his solid corner of seasoned veterans with his entourage of "friends" from his old neighborhood and Don King's guys. They were so inept that when it came time to actually do corner work, they had forgotten the endswell, and so they used a condom and filled it with ice to work on Tyson. If that wasn't bad enough, they used vaseline on Tyson's face. Tyson is allergic to vaseline. He told them to use aboline but it was too late. An allergic reaction made it almost impossible for Tyson to see after that point. The end of Tyson's reign of terror began the day Cus died. Marrying Robin Givens proved to be a nail in his coffin, as well as signing with Don King. The final two nails, however, were when Tyson split with Kevin Rooney and Bill Cayton. Don King had convinced Tyson that everything was racist and he should only surround himself with "his" so-called people. Everything good in Tyson's life ended at that time but the money, and even the money was going faster than he could earn it. People can remark all they want to, but real fans of the game and the fighter know what the real deal was. I thought I'd share that with you Cash Cow, so you can better debate the peasants who make silly remarks. Later. My god, tyson fan is the most dellusional fanboy ever, so what if cus d'amato was death??!! almost every great champ has that kind of story, THE FACT THAT TYSON HAS NO MENTALITY TO BE GREAT SO SOMEONE LIKE DONKING CAN FUKK HIM UP THAT WAS TYSON. TILL NOW I CAN NEVER THINK TYSON CAN TURN THE TABLE OR GIVE US GREAT FIGHT, IF SOMEBODY FUKK HIM UP THE FIRST TWO ROUND HE WILL BE FUKKED THE ENTIRE FIGHT,for me that wasnt great fighter.

Tyson was roughly ten years past his prime only fighting for a paycheck. back then I thought it was a quick stoppage but seeing it now, lennox was more hurt that I thought...

nah a bum like Buster Douglas did :boxing: Show some respect. He was the undisputed HW champ...what did you ever do.

Lewis was learning his trade, winning the British and European Titles when Tyson was knocking over the bums. Tyson peaked when he was 20 and Lewis peaked when he was 32. In my opinion prime Lewis beats prime Tyson every day of the week. Tyson isn't a great HW Champion but was great for boxing with the money and interest he brought to it. Lennox Lewis is a top 10 ATG HW Champion.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr86ivWGZq1qkzt4k.gif Haha Lewis beat a washed up/post prison Tyson man...he didnt beat this Tyson http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltckqrZFiU1qfaqieo1_500.jpgnah a bum like Buster Douglas did :boxing:

Why did it take Lennox so long to arrive on the scene? Because he developed into a atg bit like pacquiao and admitly he was green at the time , tyson was a flash in the pan beating up bums that your all impressed by, When all said a done Lewis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyson

That's a myth. Cus died in 1985 and Tyson was pretty damn good for three or four years after that. It was Jimmy Jacobs' death that had a bigger impact on Tyson's career. The two were pretty close and it was only after Jacobs died that King was able to worm his way in and isolate Tyson from Cayton, who he never had a great relationship with. Tyson fans seem to forget Tyson made it all the way to his first belt without cus. I think cus died like 9 or 10 fights into tyson's career. Not sure about the jacobs relationship but I think firing kevin rooney was worst mistake. Kevin said when would go into training camp with mike, they were together from the moment tyson woke up to right when tyson went to his room to sleep so no partying, drugs, girls etc just straight up work.

In reality, Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson was not training ANYTHING like he was when he was with Cus D'Amato. Mike had gone on a binge .. he was partying, drinking, doing drugs ... anyone who was in the club scene in New York could easily go out on a Saturday night and bump into Tyson at Bentley's. The man had all but abandoned the discipline that made him "Iron" Mike. Any real fan who watches and analyzes fights could see that Tyson had also abandoned another element that made him a phenom: His defense. Tyson had replaced his solid corner of seasoned veterans with his entourage of "friends" from his old neighborhood and Don King's guys. They were so inept that when it came time to actually do corner work, they had forgotten the endswell, and so they used a condom and filled it with ice to work on Tyson. If that wasn't bad enough, they used vaseline on Tyson's face. Tyson is allergic to vaseline. He told them to use aboline but it was too late. An allergic reaction made it almost impossible for Tyson to see after that point. The end of Tyson's reign of terror began the day Cus died. Marrying Robin Givens proved to be a nail in his coffin, as well as signing with Don King. The final two nails, however, were when Tyson split with Kevin Rooney and Bill Cayton. Don King had convinced Tyson that everything was racist and he should only surround himself with "his" so-called people. Everything good in Tyson's life ended at that time but the money, and even the money was going faster than he could earn it. People can remark all they want to, but real fans of the game and the fighter know what the real deal was. I thought I'd share that with you Cash Cow, so you can better debate the peasants who make silly remarks. Later. That's a myth. Cus died in 1985 and Tyson was pretty damn good for three or four years after that. It was Jimmy Jacobs' death that had a bigger impact on Tyson's career. The two were pretty close and it was only after Jacobs died that King was able to worm his way in and isolate Tyson from Cayton, who he never had a great relationship with.

In reality, Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson was not training ANYTHING like he was when he was with Cus D'Amato. Mike had gone on a binge .. he was partying, drinking, doing drugs ... anyone who was in the club scene in New York could easily go out on a Saturday night and bump into Tyson at Bentley's. The man had all but abandoned the discipline that made him "Iron" Mike. Any real fan who watches and analyzes fights could see that Tyson had also abandoned another element that made him a phenom: His defense. Tyson had replaced his solid corner of seasoned veterans with his entourage of "friends" from his old neighborhood and Don King's guys. They were so inept that when it came time to actually do corner work, they had forgotten the endswell, and so they used a condom and filled it with ice to work on Tyson. If that wasn't bad enough, they used vaseline on Tyson's face. Tyson is allergic to vaseline. He told them to use aboline but it was too late. An allergic reaction made it almost impossible for Tyson to see after that point. The end of Tyson's reign of terror began the day Cus died. Marrying Robin Givens proved to be a nail in his coffin, as well as signing with Don King. The final two nails, however, were when Tyson split with Kevin Rooney and Bill Cayton. Don King had convinced Tyson that everything was racist and he should only surround himself with "his" so-called people. Everything good in Tyson's life ended at that time but the money, and even the money was going faster than he could earn it. People can remark all they want to, but real fans of the game and the fighter know what the real deal was. I thought I'd share that with you Cash Cow, so you can better debate the peasants who make silly remarks. Later. boo fuucckkin hoo. the ol 'not prepared' excuse. sick of it..

lewis has gone on record as saying he wanted no part of early tyson after sparring witt him as an amateur up in the catskill mountains. No....no he is not

that nicca was ducking all the good america HW while they were in their prime and didnt come to the states until they were past it. dude is a hype job Bowe wanted no part of him, trashed his belt to avoid him. Tyson was locked up when he was awarded the WBC crown. He was chasing Moorer when he was upset by McCall. He fought back into contention, edged a war with Mercer, and was dodged by Tyson after he'd returned. Tyson preferred to cash in on what he thought was a wasted Holyfield.

A better question is: why didn't Bowe and Lewis fight as pros. Answer: Bowe wanted no part of him, didn't even want to avenge his Olympic loss.

I wonder if cus had still been with him how Tyson would have turned out. He would've won the Douglas fight at least, almost sure of it. That has the possibility to alter his career for the better getting through a hard fight like that. Top boxers who persevere through the toughest challenges and win, seem to always be the hardest mofos to put away later as they have supreme confidence in those bouts and WILL keeps them in it 'to win' even when the piss is being beat out of them. Anywho, we all know the story now, Tyson didn't just run into, "a better man that night" in Tokyo, the perfect storm built up around him to lose. And it can't be stressed enough that there's two tales when throwing the word prime around even pro historians are either too quick to overlook or are ignorant of, and these are: the peak of the fighter's talents AND of course, age. Physically, Mike was in his prime, but his abilities.. they were well on their way to diminishing already with his complete lack of discipline with no Cus around to motivate him anymore. I mean, he still can get choked up when the man's name becomes a topic of discussion and he's in his 40's. That cannot be dismissed it affected his hunger to fight and feeling of invincibility. I was pissed off learning in my later years that Tyson half assed trained for that fight, refused to do road work, had a poor corner, and I thought reading pro opinions he'd get cut some slack, but now just about everyone of great intellect IN the sport puts Tyson on his back anytime he faces Buster in imaginary scenarios.. Huh? Let's never play down the, "I can't get up for this fight" version of Mike, still managed to drop James with a single punch. Who KNOWS what the extent of psychological damage losing that one did to Tyson. Wouldn't of been surprised if that shot a lot of his confidence and placed in him doubt like he never had since his pre-boxing/early boxing years. I like how he looks back on that fight though. He took that beating like a man and went out on his shield. Watching the greats so much on tape, also aided him in that instance, he saw how they carried themselves in defeat. That quoted article above is so wrong completely ignoring all of this, it's easy to see a big part of Mike died with Cus and he clearly never reached his full potential as a pro.

Why did it take Lennox so long to arrive on the scene? Are you serious right now? NOBODY would fight him. Not Tyson, not Bowe. NOBODY until Holyfield manned up in 1999.

He was conquering boxing too, on the international amateur scene. Lewis came up short in his quest for a gold medal in the 1984 Olympics to eventual gold medal winner Tyrell Biggs. So he remained an amateur (most likely with a significant monthly stipend, as is the norm with big time amateurs), honed his craft and defeated Riddick Bowe to win gold in 1988. Tyson didn't even make the US team in 1984, and didn't bother to wait around.