Makes no sense for Floyd to fight Sergio

Wel youve seemed to be coming from the viewpoint that the winner automatically becomes no1, and because there is likely to be a winner, just signing a contract is all it seemed you believed it needed for the changing of the guard. Now you kind of agreeing a lot depends on what happens in the fight, which is what i said from the outset and changing your stance. We might be coming to an understanding now and im kind of agreeing with you for the first time. Obevesily they WONT be #1 by JUST signing a contract. Again, who ever wins the fight IF...... (BIG IF) it happens WILL be #1 P4P. Of course if it ends like the Hopkins Dawson fight you would have yourself a case and Pac would be safe as #1 P4P fighting a LW at WW, that Floyd (bytch move) did 2 years ago. I have a feeling Khan will fight Mayweather before Martinez, however I won't be surprised IF happens and IF it does happen it means more in MY books at 154 or 155 and not below. ^^^^^^^You missed this awhile back^^^^^^^^

Floyd can't fight Manny without all these pre-conditions. Fans need to accept this. Sergio vs Floyd is a better option than another 1.5 year-long layoff. :usa: money wise, floyd vs sergio may not look so promising.... however, floyd vs sergio will be a good fight for floyd...... a floyd win over sergio will be another feather on his cap... a loss will also show floyd as a fighter who takes on the big challenge

Now your just making **** up. Nobody is saying that Floyd/Martinez WILL or WOULD become #1 by just signing a contract. If Floyd doesn't beat Martinez conveniently like he has done to most all his opposition than no he should not become #1, but if he makes it a white wash and out classes him than yes, he should be and rightfully so. Same with Martinez IF he beats Floyd. Wel youve seemed to be coming from the viewpoint that the winner automatically becomes no1, and because there is likely to be a winner, just signing a contract is all it seemed you believed it needed for the changing of the guard. Now you kind of agreeing a lot depends on what happens in the fight, which is what i said from the outset and changing your stance. We might be coming to an understanding now and im kind of agreeing with you for the first time.

Floydies seem to think just the fact if Sergio and Floyd sign to fight someone automatically takes pacs place? What if they fight in a very close contested fight, both visiting the floor about 3 times each and you leave thinking Pac would destroy them on that performance? You cant just say the winner will be the best p4p fighter on the basis that the fight was actually made, which it should be made anyway. But the fight being made dont make you no1 p4p fighter. That way Pac should sign to fight Wlad klitscho, even if Pac gets destroyed in the first 10 seconds. A lot depends on what happens in the fight between Sergio and Floyd before even thinking of making any changes to p4p positions. Now your just making **** up. Nobody is saying that Floyd/Martinez WILL or WOULD become #1 by just signing a contract. It's silly you could even fathom such a ridiculously stupid comment. Come on, your just throwing lazy jabs now. If Floyd doesn't beat Martinez conveniently like he has done to most all his opposition than no he should not become #1, but if he makes it a white wash and out classes him than yes, he should be and rightfully so. Same with Martinez IF he beats Floyd.

This fight will expose primarily which of the two is overrated. It might also show no one is overrated if the fight turns out to be bloody and very well contested. I'll be looking forward to it. ;-)

Floydies seem to think just the fact if Sergio and Floyd sign to fight someone automatically takes pacs place? What if they fight in a very close contested fight, both visiting the floor about 3 times each and you leave thinking Pac would destroy them on that performance? You cant just say the winner will be the best p4p fighter on the basis that the fight was actually made, which it should be made anyway. But the fight being made dont make you no1 p4p fighter. That way Pac should sign to fight Wlad klitscho, even if Pac gets destroyed in the first 10 seconds. A lot depends on what happens in the fight between Sergio and Floyd before even thinking of making any changes to p4p positions.

Cant you try and be more succint, do you have to write so much to try and get your point across, youlll just lose your audience? Cotto last fight against Clottey was a good win so why is you putting down Cottos last win? Sergios last win was not to good though and now Sergios stepping down a weight to face Floyd. If Floyd ate as much as Pac did, Floyd would be fighting at the 154 weight anyway. So what Pac does in the 147 weight is equivalent to what Floyd should be doing in the 154 range! Pac have surpassed Floyd in all their common opponents thats is what people see as the bottom line, so Pac will stay at no1 for now thank you so much. Floyds just not a ko puncher i hear, well that detracts from his greatness as a fighter then as well. You get extra brownie points for being a puncher knocking bigger guys out.Just like Floyd stayed at no1 when Pac was beating the Barreras and Morales of this world. Of course Floyd shouldnt have been no1, but the powers that be just thought that Pac should fight and beat Floyd before taking his place. So yes, Floyd needs to fight and beat Pac to claim his place. I'm not looking for an audience. So your argument is that since Floyd was #1 P4P back when Pac was fighting Barrera, JMM and Diaz you think Pac now should stay at #1 since Floyd is fighting Champion after Champion? btw, Cotto's last win before Pac was not a "good" win. He barley beat a bum and it is still apparent he is not the same since quitting in the ring vs Margarito. Hell some will argue Cotto lost to both Clottey and Mosley. You can talk about Martinez' last fight all you want but at the end of the day it was a KO victory. If he didn't end it in that fashion you might have a case. You don't. Martinez' last 3 fights have all in fact ended by KO's. You can't deny it or else you would just be a liar. You can keep comparing Pac to Mayweather all day too, but that STILL does not change the fact of Pac's opposition does not justify him as #1 when other fighters are fighting better opposition. Btw, when was the last time Pac fought a Champion? Again, Pac can't live off his 2009 CW Cotto fight forever. You know that or else you wouldn't be dragging Floyd into the convo comparing Pac to him or questioning WHY Floyd was P4P #1. Funny how you so easily want to say Pac can stay at #1 yet had problems when Floyd was #1 for the same reasons.

Make the Sergio fight happen, Floyd! It's definitely better than vacation. :-)

So were questioning Floyd now to divert from Pac? :grumpy: What does Pac at 116lbs have anything to do with Pac beating Cotto at a CW back in 2009 to become #1 P4P? LOL at you saying Cotto was the best WW in the world "WHEN" (there is that f*cking WHEN word again) Pac fought him... "Your as good as your last fight" (your logic) Did you see Cotto's last fight before fighting Pac? but lets avoid Pac and question Floyd.. lol You KNOW Pac has done NOTHING since 2009 to REMAIN P4P #1 which is why you want to avoid Pac and NOW question FLoyd... Bottom line, IF Floyd fights and beats Martinez, he would surpasses anything Pac has done since beating Cotto at a CW to become P4P #1 back in 2009. It's 2011 and facing IN HOUSE irrelevant faded has beens does not justify Pac as #1. Using YOUR very own logic of saying Pac should remain P4P #1 because of beating a loser like Clottey (your as good as your last fight), a banned has been like Margarito (your as good as your last fight), and an old losing Mosley (your as good as your last fight) is a FAIL "WHEN" Mayweather has fought a P4P #2 LW Champion JMM at WW (your as good as your last fight), WORLD WW Champion Mosley (your as good as your last fight) and #2 WW Champion Ortiz (your as good as your last fight) and IF Floyd fights and beats Martinez these fights surpass Pac's losing, banned and old opposition by a mile. You know I'm right and now want to question how and why Floyd was ever P4P #1, I rest my case.... :wave: Besides, like I said already this is all IF Floyd...... and we know what that means... Don't be mad about it, YOU should be happy. You rant and raved about how Floyd should be fighting Martinez... Cant you try and be more succint, do you have to write so much to try and get your point across, youlll just lose your audience? Cotto last fight against Clottey was a good win so why is you putting down Cottos last win? Sergios last win was not to good though and now Sergios stepping down a weight to face Floyd. If Floyd ate as much as Pac did, Floyd would be fighting at the 154 weight anyway. So what Pac does in the 147 weight is equivalent to what Floyd should be doing in the 154 range! Pac have surpassed Floyd in all their common opponents thats is what people see as the bottom line, so Pac will stay at no1 for now thank you so much. Floyds just not a ko puncher i hear, well that detracts from his greatness as a fighter then as well. You get extra brownie points for being a puncher knocking bigger guys out.Just like Floyd stayed at no1 when Pac was beating the Barreras and Morales of this world. Of course Floyd shouldnt have been no1, but the powers that be just thought that Pac should fight and beat Floyd before taking his place. So yes, Floyd needs to fight and beat Pac to claim his place.

Floyd will not fight MP without USADA administered random blood and urine testing. MP won't accept USADA random urine and blood testing, therefore we have no fight. There is no point in Floyd hanging around and waiting for anyone when they won't meet a fundamental requirement for him to fight them. It's just that simple!!!! Floyd can't fight Manny without all these pre-conditions. Fans need to accept this. Sergio vs Floyd is a better option than another 1.5 year-long layoff. :usa:

Well, Pac came up from 116lbs and has to artificially eat more than hes happy with to fight at 147 and beat one of the best WW in the world to become p4p the best fighter in the world and FOTD. Floyd didnt fancy Cotto, so what relevance is it where Cotto was ranked? What was he ranked anyway btw? Who did Floyd beat to become p4p no1 in the first place all those years back is the question? So were questioning Floyd now to divert from Pac? :grumpy: What does Pac at 116lbs have anything to do with Pac beating Cotto at a CW back in 2009 to become #1 P4P? LOL at you saying Cotto was the best WW in the world "WHEN" (there is that f*cking WHEN word again) Pac fought him... "Your as good as your last fight" (your logic) Did you see Cotto's last fight before fighting Pac? but lets avoid Pac and question Floyd.. lol You KNOW Pac has done NOTHING since 2009 to REMAIN P4P #1 which is why you want to avoid Pac and NOW question FLoyd... Bottom line, IF Floyd fights and beats Martinez, he would surpasses anything Pac has done since beating Cotto at a CW to become P4P #1 back in 2009. It's 2011 and facing IN HOUSE irrelevant faded has beens does not justify Pac as #1. Using YOUR very own logic of saying Pac should remain P4P #1 because of beating a loser like Clottey (your as good as your last fight), a banned has been like Margarito (your as good as your last fight), and an old losing Mosley (your as good as your last fight) is a FAIL "WHEN" Mayweather has fought a P4P #2 LW Champion JMM at WW (your as good as your last fight), WORLD WW Champion Mosley (your as good as your last fight) and #2 WW Champion Ortiz (your as good as your last fight) and IF Floyd fights and beats Martinez these fights surpass Pac's losing, banned and old opposition by a mile. You know I'm right and now want to question how and why Floyd was ever P4P #1, I rest my case.... :wave: Besides, like I said already this is all IF Floyd...... and we know what that means... Don't be mad about it, YOU should be happy. You rant and raved about how Floyd should be fighting Martinez...

Personally I too think that Martinez is a bigger threat than Pacquiao and pays less of a reward for Floyd. Martinez is bigger physically, taller, a southpaw with great speed and decent power. Given those factors I would still give Mayweather a chance at beating Martinez but even if he did people would say Martinez is an old man, past his prime. Sergio is 36 now and if the two were to fight sometime next year he would be 37 and have to move down a weight class. Floyd would get very little credit for this victory outside of the boxing world. Floyd should instead focus on getting the fight with Manny made. Less of a risk and more of a reward.

Lets be honest here, Manny is more of a threat then Martinez is and thats coming from a guy who hates Manny. Sergio is a fighter who fights with his hands down and fights from the outside, Floyd would outbox Sergio anyday because of this. Manny is a brawler who would get inside and use his speed and power, thats not good for Floyd. Although I do think Floyd would beat both of them, Sergio is clearly the lesser threat do to boxing styles. And don't give me this Sergio is bigger with alota power crap, Sergio isn't even known for his power. Who gives a shlt about him KOing Paul, the guy isn't known for his power period.

So what rank was Cotto when Pac fought him at a WW CW to become #1 P4P? Again, What rank was Cotto WHEN Pac fought him to put Pac at #1????? Well, Pac came up from 116lbs and has to artificially eat more than hes happy with to fight at 147 and beat one of the best WW in the world to become p4p the best fighter in the world and FOTD. Floyd didnt fancy Cotto, so what relevance is it where Cotto was ranked? What was he ranked anyway btw? Who did Floyd beat to become p4p no1 in the first place all those years back is the question?

The winner of the 2nd and 3rd best p4p fighters dont make you the no1 p4p fighter in the same way that a winner between the 5th and 4th best p4p fighters wouldnt make you the 3rd best, in the same way the 10th best p4p fighter beating the 2nd best p4p fighter wouldnt make you no1 as well. Can it be explained any simpler than that, i dont think so? You take each others place at best. You floydie fans and WESS in particular, are just getting carried away, and going OTT and trying to give Floyd an incentive to take the Sergio fight. A carrot shouldnt need to be dangled in front of Floyd to get him to fight Sergio. He should want to prove hes the 2nd best fighter in the world anyway! But hey, if lying is what it takes for Floyd to man up and sign, yes Floyd you will be the greatest fighter in the world if you sign to fight Sergio. So what rank was Cotto when Pac fought him at a WW CW to become #1 P4P? Also, you're in denial dude, Martinez is the best in his respected division(s). You keep saying that a show down between the CURRENT WORLD WW Champion vs the former WORLD JMW Champion and CURRENT MW Champion that are ARGUABLY the #2 and #3 P4P best will not put winner at #1? Pac is irrelevant because he's fighting irrelevant fighters and as Khan states Pac is not willing to do any tests any times soon which makes him even MORE irrelevant when it comes to Mayweather (Floyd's fought or not it doesn't matter now).... We don't have forever, Mayweather can move on to BIGGER and BETTER things for his legacy while Pac keeps fighting in house irrelevant fighters that Bob places before him for "entertainment" (I loved the WWF too). Irrelevant fighters vs Relevant CURRENT Champions, you do the math. Mayweather IF he beats Martinez (a career JMW) will put him above Pac and out does everything Pac has done since moving up from 130. Again, what rank was Cotto "WHEN" (there is that f*cking "WHEN" word again) Pac fought him that put Pac at #1? Come on you know this.. The Current WW WORLD Champion vs former JMW/CURRENT MW Champion winner WILL become #1 P4P. It's 2011 and Pac can not live off a CW Cotto win back in 2009 forever. Since then he has fought irreverent fighters at WW and JMW. Think of it this way, If YOU think Pac can stay at #1 for fighting a loser like Clottey, a beaten cheater like Margarito and an old faded losing Mosley how the hell does your logic NOT put Mayweather at #1 for fighting the WORLD WW Champion Mosley in 2010, #2 WW Champion Ortiz in 2011 and Martinez (IF Floyd fights AND beats him)? Again, What rank was Cotto WHEN Pac fought him to put Pac at #1?????

Floyd will not fight MP without USADA administered random blood and urine testing. MP won't accept USADA random urine and blood testing, therefore we have no fight. There is no point in Floyd hanging around and waiting for anyone when they won't meet a fundamental requirement for him to fight them. It's just that simple!!!!

Majority of Boxing Fans wants that Pacman vs Floydie next Year! If he fights Martinez, then that's his right, but - Will Boxing fans accept it? You got to consider that the last PPV results of Floydie was below 1Million, and Martines isn't that PPV star. Fighting Martinez will only confirm that belief of most Boxing fans and Sportswriters that Floydie is avoiding/ducking/scared (you call whatever you want) Pacman - the current #1 PFP and emerging PPV Star... Only a moron would think fighting Martinez is a way of ducking Pacquiao, In fact it would confirm that its Pacquiao who is indeed doing the ducking here, Because If Martinez gets the opportunity at Mayweather and did so while submitting to random drug testing and Mayweather fought him the question would then be why cant Pac do the same since people think Martinez is an equally dangerous if not more dangerous fight for Mayweather to take.

I believe Floyd when he says he is willing to fight the best out there... He just always forgets to say as long as Arum isn't their promoter!! I find it odd that a man can go his ENTIRE career fighting the best and then get labeled a ducker toward the late-prime/peak years... If the deal with Sergio is really on the table and Floyd fights him (let alone boxes his ears off) then we have to call it what it like it is... Ain't no ducking, just business and the CEO of Top Rank has been at the center of all of the bullsh!t. If Mayweather beat Sergio Martinez no one can argue who the best P4P is. Golden Boy is running out of fighters for Mayweather to fight other than Amir Khan so it will be interesting to see who Mayweather's next opponent is.

Majority of Boxing Fans wants that Pacman vs Floydie next Year! If he fights Martinez, then that's his right, but - Will Boxing fans accept it? You got to consider that the last PPV results of Floydie was below 1Million, and Martines isn't that PPV star. Fighting Martinez will only confirm that belief of most Boxing fans and Sportswriters that Floydie is avoiding/ducking/scared (you call whatever you want) Pacman - the current #1 PFP and emerging PPV Star...

You can keep saying this, but you're wrong...Pacquiao never even earned #1 p4p by your own "standards" Floyd never became no1 p4p by beating any top p4p fighter. People criticise Floyds earlier career fighters. Pac beat the Barreras of this world yet werent rated above Floyd for some reason? Its just Floyd was already at no1 and the ring magazine couldnt be bothered to move Floyd down, until Pac actually beat Floyd! Now its time Floyd fights Pac if he wants to prove it. The good thing to come out of Floyd and Sergio fighting is if they lose they wont be dropping down much, compared to if Sergio had of lost to Barker.