Roach says Gamboa will kill Donaire.

True. But also, Nonito is amazing against over aggressive fighters. Mostly because he has the power to hurt guys like that bad. So if Gamboa was to revert back to his aggression tactic. He'd get hurt and bad. I think the main thing with Nonito is. He's never been in trouble. He's not affect by aggression, boxers, or hard hitters. I don't think he has fought a slick/illusive opponent. But Nonito just never been in any situation that's sketchy. Couple that with his skill, he doesn't over extend, he does sit back too much. So it's hard to say because of his offensive, this will happen. Or because he is too tentative, this will happen. He's pretty much a ring general in every sense of the word. :dunno: My point is, the comment about Gamboa seeming like he is some defensive genius is being taken out of context. Because obviously his lack of getting hit is caused by blitzing and overwhelming opponents. Not because he is slipping and dodging. Defense is slipping and dodging, he is fast and gets out of the way of punches and he is an amateur Gold medalist from Cuba, first you don't make the team if you are not a good boxer, we haven't c the best of Gamboa yet, and you know why? Because he hasn't been challenge, last fight he toyed with Ponce and once he step up on the gas ponce took the easy way out, we all know that cut was not bad enough for him to quit but he did, Gamboa is an amazing little fighter, one of the best in the world right now.

Roach is an idiot. Donaire has good timing and is a master at counterpunching. He'd catch Yuri coming in and spark him out. Donaire has insane power and with Yuri's fragile chin he would take him out. With that statement I c that you don't understand boxing very well, first, just because you go down it doesn't meant that you have a fragile chin, Gamboa have as a matter of fact a granite chin, out all those 4 knockdowns only one is legit, throw in the fact that he is fighting stiff competition and in many cases big punchers right from the get go, and you can say that he is being tested, he has fought smallest and biggest and defeat them all, Donaire has being the biggest and the faster in all his fights, against Gamboa he will b the smallest, less powerful and slowest, still you think he will take Gamboa out, I'm not a betting man but I'll bet in this one.

I think the main thing with Nonito is. He's never been in trouble. He's not affect by aggression, boxers, or hard hitters. I don't think he has fought a slick/illusive opponent. But Nonito just never been in any situation that's sketchy. Couple that with his skill, he doesn't over extend, he does sit back too much. So it's hard to say because of his offensive, this will happen. Or because he is too tentative, this will happen. He's pretty much a ring general in every sense of the word. :dunno: I've seen just a few of Nonito's fights, all of them recent. I don't doubt your assertion that he's never been in trouble. I can say the same, however, about Gamboa. I've seen all of Yuri's fights, and none have ever been in question. Gamboa's been down exactly four times in his career, all of them flash KDs. Yuri has never been hurt by a punch (one of his knockdowns was accompanied by an elbow). All the moments in question were caused by Gamboa being off balance. Three of Yuri's knockdowns came earlier in his career, against admittedly lesser opposition. I think that actually explains a lot. Gamboa was being reckless against opponents he expected to destroy. The only time Yuri was down against a quality opponent was versus Salido, the guy that TKOed JuanMa. There's no doubt in my mind that Nonito Donaire would get a dose of respect from Gamboa and his camp. The counter left hook would be prepared for (by an opponent with the skills and ability to actually do something about it). It would be a fight with frequent lulls and bursts of action. The more I think about it, the more I wish it to become reality....

I don't agree with Roach...I think it would be a classic....I got it a 50/50 fight...MAYBE slightly favoring Gamboa...but just a lil'....Donaire can rumble....Roach is sleeping on him!!

Interesting observation about how Gamboa's defensive "stats" are skewed. :lol1: You may very well be right. Nonetheless, I have indeed noticed myself that Yuri doesn't really get hit that often. You're also probably right about Gamboa reverting to his natural style upon getting hit hard. However, Nonito would be dealing with his own challenges from a terrific and aggressive fighter possessing an arsenal of formidable attributes himself. Donaire wouldn't be alone in that ring. Let's not lose sight of that fact. True. But also, Nonito is amazing against over aggressive fighters. Mostly because he has the power to hurt guys like that bad. So if Gamboa was to revert back to his aggression tactic. He'd get hurt and bad. I think the main thing with Nonito is. He's never been in trouble. He's not affect by aggression, boxers, or hard hitters. I don't think he has fought a slick/illusive opponent. But Nonito just never been in any situation that's sketchy. Couple that with his skill, he doesn't over extend, he does sit back too much. So it's hard to say because of his offensive, this will happen. Or because he is too tentative, this will happen. He's pretty much a ring general in every sense of the word. :dunno: And your point is? Offense is also a great defense. At the end of the day he doesn't get hit much, hence he has one of the best defenses in the game, no matter how you try to turn things around. Also, Yuri is good at what he does. Most people with such crazy offensive style get hit back a lot. Gamboa is hard to find even when doing so. The stats don't lie, that's why Gamboa's face is always like brand new with tags even after a 12 rounder, as his boy Pretty Boy. My point is, the comment about Gamboa seeming like he is some defensive genius is being taken out of context. Because obviously his lack of getting hit is caused by blitzing and overwhelming opponents. Not because he is slipping and dodging.

I just read a comment that said Gamboa's defense is only second to Floyd. Are you serious?! Gamboa's defensive stats look great because his opponents get blitzed to death and can't throw anything back while getting hit with everything, including the kitchen sink. I think Nonito's power will carry up. Nonito isn't a true 118 fighter. He is obviously bigger than everyone there. And that's after he cuts weight. He's still bigger than everyone. He is most likely a natural 130lb guy. I don't know his exact walk around weight but he sacrifices a lot of useful muscle and weight to fight at those smaller weight classes. Nonito's skill level is higher than Yuri's. That just isn't debatable. Out of all fighters today, Nonito is top 5 in skill. We are talking Mayweather, Hopkins, Ward as company. Combine that with his ring IQ and power. I don't see Yuri winning. Even with his recent fights where he has calmed down his style. All that goes out the window when you get hit with a sledgehammer. He will revert to his natural swing for the fences style when he gets popped with a hard right straight. Then from then on, just wait for the left hook. Cause it will come and it will be over when it lands. And your point is? Offense is also a great defense. At the end of the day he doesn't get hit much, hence he has one of the best defenses in the game, no matter how you try to turn things around. Also, Yuri is good at what he does. Most people with such crazy offensive style get hit back a lot. Gamboa is hard to find even when doing so. The stats don't lie, that's why Gamboa's face is always like brand new with tags even after a 12 rounder, as his boy Pretty Boy. http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/155956_460389651491_8928711491_5564763_4745083_n.jpg

I just read a comment that said Gamboa's defense is only second to Floyd. Are you serious?! Gamboa's defensive stats look great because his opponents get blitzed to death and can't throw anything back while getting hit with everything, including the kitchen sink. I think Nonito's power will carry up. Nonito isn't a true 118 fighter. He is obviously bigger than everyone there. And that's after he cuts weight. He's still bigger than everyone. He is most likely a natural 130lb guy. I don't know his exact walk around weight but he sacrifices a lot of useful muscle and weight to fight at those smaller weight classes. Nonito's skill level is higher than Yuri's. That just isn't debatable. Out of all fighters today, Nonito is top 5 in skill. We are talking Mayweather, Hopkins, Ward as company. Combine that with his ring IQ and power. I don't see Yuri winning. Even with his recent fights where he has calmed down his style. All that goes out the window when you get hit with a sledgehammer. He will revert to his natural swing for the fences style when he gets popped with a hard right straight. Then from then on, just wait for the left hook. Cause it will come and it will be over when it lands. Interesting observation about how Gamboa's defensive "stats" are skewed. :lol1: You may very well be right. Nonetheless, I have indeed noticed myself that Yuri doesn't really get hit that often. You're also probably right about Gamboa reverting to his natural style upon getting hit hard. However, Nonito would be dealing with his own challenges from a terrific and aggressive fighter possessing an arsenal of formidable attributes himself. Donaire wouldn't be alone in that ring. Let's not lose sight of that fact.

I just read a comment that said Gamboa's defense is only second to Floyd. Are you serious?! Gamboa's defensive stats look great because his opponents get blitzed to death and can't throw anything back while getting hit with everything, including the kitchen sink. I think Nonito's power will carry up. Nonito isn't a true 118 fighter. He is obviously bigger than everyone there. And that's after he cuts weight. He's still bigger than everyone. He is most likely a natural 130lb guy. I don't know his exact walk around weight but he sacrifices a lot of useful muscle and weight to fight at those smaller weight classes. Nonito's skill level is higher than Yuri's. That just isn't debatable. Out of all fighters today, Nonito is top 5 in skill. We are talking Mayweather, Hopkins, Ward as company. Combine that with his ring IQ and power. I don't see Yuri winning. Even with his recent fights where he has calmed down his style. All that goes out the window when you get hit with a sledgehammer. He will revert to his natural swing for the fences style when he gets popped with a hard right straight. Then from then on, just wait for the left hook. Cause it will come and it will be over when it lands.

Yeah totally true. Roach values speed and power too much. Any casual boxing fan would overlook the style of Donaire. Donaire is soooo underrated. Okay Gamboa would come out swinging, so what. Donaire has great technique, an incredible boxing IQ, and awesome counter-punching ability Speed and Power is not everything, boxing is a sweet science I wouldn't exactly call Nonito underrated. He's often mentioned as the #4 P4P guy, behind Pacquiao, Mayweather and Martinez. If anything, people usually accuse Donaire of being overrated. I think Nonito's excellent. (Obviously I'm not alone.) As I've pointed out before, I think the determining factor between Gamboa and Donaire, if they ever meet, will be strength. No one knows how Nonito will carry his ability into the higher weights. Yuri is strong, a beast. Donaire will have to deal with that, along with the speed, power and athleticism. And let's not overlook the fact that Gamboa is pretty ring savvy himself. In that regard, Yuri is certainly underrated....

roach's comments are unnecessary...he seems like somebody with an agenda. if he's donare's trainer for sure he will only have good things to say about him. had it not crossed roach's mind that donaire is better than khan in almost all aspects of boxing?

Roach is an idiot. Donaire has good timing and is a master at counterpunching. He'd catch Yuri coming in and spark him out. Donaire has insane power and with Yuri's fragile chin he would take him out. Yeah totally true. Roach values speed and power too much. Any casual boxing fan would overlook the style of Donaire. Donaire is soooo underrated. Okay Gamboa would come out swinging, so what. Donaire has great technique, an incredible boxing IQ, and awesome counter-punching ability Speed and Power is not everything, boxing is a sweet science

How is Nonito a more complete fighter? Offensively, it's hard to go against Yuri. Yuri has one of the best offensive arsenal in the game. Nonito's offense is also top class, but it's hard to go against Yuri in that department. Now I don't know what's up with haters criticizing Gamboa's defense. HBO did a compubox analysis of the elite fighters a few weeks ago to determine who were the best defensive playas in the game, and Yuri is second, right after Floyd. In other words, his defense is not only good, it's practically the best. Floyd gets hit only 16% of the time and Yuri is second with only 20%. Now to be fair, Nonito is 3rd with only 21%. Furthermore, Gamboa is faster, has more pop and has decided to start using his ring IQ in the last few fights. Both of them are smart fighters, but when you compare their abilities, it's hard to go against Yuri. Nice breakdown. :fing02: It's interesting to see those statistics. I was going to mention in a previous post that Gamboa really doesn't get hit all that often. If those stats are accurate, then my eyes haven't been deceiving me. It's really nice to see Yuri switch up his fighting approach. I think his ring IQ is overlooked because he usually overwhelms his opponents. Gamboa is a smart fighter. He has the tools to be great and continually strives to improve. The only thing standing between Gamboa and greatness is "Father Time". Yuri will be thirty in December. Hopefully he can leave his mark in boxing before his natural attributes start to erode.

gamboa wins.... It won't be an easy fight though.

How is Nonito a more complete fighter? Offensively, it's hard to go against Yuri. Yuri has one of the best offensive arsenal in the game. Nonito's offense is also top class, but it's hard to go against Yuri in that department. Now I don't know what's up with haters criticizing Gamboa's defense. HBO did a compubox analysis of the elite fighters a few weeks ago to determine who were the best defensive playas in the game, and Yuri is second, right after Floyd. In other words, his defense is not only good, it's practically the best. Floyd gets hit only 16% of the time and Yuri is second with only 20%. Now to be fair, Nonito is 3rd with only 21%. Furthermore, Gamboa is faster, has more pop and has decided to start using his ring IQ in the last few fights. Both of them are smart fighters, but when you compare their abilities, it's hard to go against Yuri.

Roach is an idiot. Donaire has good timing and is a master at counterpunching. He'd catch Yuri coming in and spark him out. Donaire has insane power and with Yuri's fragile chin he would take him out. This is my biggest fear. Gamboa's attacking style leaves him open for a big counter. Nonito has the kind of power to turn his lights out. Or does he? It remains to be seen if his power will carry to the higher weights. The other thing to consider is that Yuri throws blazing combinations with power. It's one thing to counter a slower fighter throwing a straight right, it's another to counter inside a "Ciclon"....

Even though I really don't like Roach, I have to agree with him here. Most people who are gassing up Donaire, really don't know much about him outside of his last few fights. Great fighter, but severly overrated on this site. I see Gamboa beating the sh1t outta Donaire. Yuriorkis is faster and hits harder. Also people talk about Gamboa's defense but Nonito's isn't great either. What people fail realize is that those great fighters Donaire KO'd are nothing more than 112lbers who are overachieving at the higher weight classes. Gamboa is actually a 130lb who is at 126 for the bigger fights. Some good points. I admit that I've only seen some of Nonito's last few fights, but I believe that's enough. All fighters evolve (or devolve). The Donaire we see now is who we must consider. If Nonito was terrible before, it wouldn't matter; he's terrific now. Of course, it remains to be seen how good he is at the higher classes. The same goes for Gamboa. I still see comments about how Yuri has no defense, how he carries his hands low, etc. Gamboa has considerably improved his defense. It's quite clear that he's made a conscious effort to bring up his guard in his last few fights. Yuri will never be a defensive genius, but he's not nearly as easy to hit as some people here seem to believe.

Even though I really don't like Roach, I have to agree with him here. Most people who are gassing up Donaire, really don't know much about him outside of his last few fights. Great fighter, but severly overrated on this site. I see Gamboa beating the sh1t outta Donaire. Yuriorkis is faster and hits harder. Also people talk about Gamboa's defense but Nonito's isn't great either. What people fail realize is that those great fighters Donaire KO'd are nothing more than 112lbers who are overachieving at the higher weight classes. Gamboa is actually a 130lb who is at 126 for the bigger fights.

Roach is an idiot. Donaire has good timing and is a master at counterpunching. He'd catch Yuri coming in and spark him out. Donaire has insane power and with Yuri's fragile chin he would take him out.

ive been saying this for the longest. the two will not have a chance to meet anytime in the near future. its just totally improbable. its just arum getting ppl hyped about the two fighters. Gamboa by decapitation, I think he has a better chance against Rigondeaux at 122, still he might get schooled by GR.

Glad to see Roach is so confident. I like Gamboa in a match-up with Donaire, but "kill" isn't in my vocabulary. There's no telling what Nonito will look like coming up, good or bad. It may be a moot point, anyway; Yuri is moving up to 130 and beyond. The two may never meet. ive been saying this for the longest. the two will not have a chance to meet anytime in the near future. its just totally improbable. its just arum getting ppl hyped about the two fighters.