Margarito suffered a tough stoppage against Mosley, was gone for a over a year came back and had a tune up followed by a almost career ending beating from Pac. Cotto has been much more active in between his stoppage losses to both Margarito and Pac. He will be sharper and I'm sure he has physically recovered from those fights even if he has not fully mentally recovered. I'm not sure that Margarito has recovered in either way. The injury he suffered with his orbital bone could have ended his career. They wanted to make this fight so quick that Margarito has not had any type of tune up to get sharp or build confidence. Its a bad move for him in my opinion. I like Cotto and will be in the arena cheering for him. I just don't see how Margarito is going to be sharp considering his activity in the past couple years and I don't know how well he will be able to hold up after what happened to him in his last fight. He may not be the same guy anymore. Bottom line I see Cotto getting revenge in Dec. Thoughts?
Margarito suffered a tough stoppage against Mosley, was gone for a over a year came back and had a tune up followed by a almost career ending beating from Pac. Cotto has been much more active in between his stoppage losses to both Margarito and Pac. He will be sharper and I'm sure he has physically recovered from those fights even if he has not fully mentally recovered. I'm not sure that Margarito has recovered in either way. The injury he suffered with his orbital bone could have ended his career. They wanted to make this fight so quick that Margarito has not had any type of tune up to get sharp or build confidence. Its a bad move for him in my opinion. I like Cotto and will be in the arena cheering for him. I just don't see how Margarito is going to be sharp considering his activity in the past couple years and I don't know how well he will be able to hold up after what happened to him in his last fight. He may not be the same guy anymore. Bottom line I see Cotto getting revenge in Dec. Thoughts?
I'll take it
IF anyone asked me... I think Cotto saw an oportunity to KO Margie in their first fight since he notice how easy it was to land punches in him. But what Cotto didn't count on was that Margie could take it and take it hard since he has a ridiculous chin (the only thing he has) and got really tired and cost him the fight. That is why Mosley KOed him cause he saw that even Cotto could not KO him. Mosley started very slow and land big punches very now and then until eventually beat the **** out of him.
In this fight Cotto will try to pull a Mayorga fight in Margie and hope it works. Margie may not have plaster in his gloves this time but he will have a whole lot of weight and muscle than the first one.
And by the way I also think Margie had plaster in the Cotto fight
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Margarito suffered a tough stoppage against Mosley, was gone for a over a year came back and had a tune up followed by a almost career ending beating from Pac. Cotto has been much more active in between his stoppage losses to both Margarito and Pac. He will be sharper and I'm sure he has physically recovered from those fights even if he has not fully mentally recovered. I'm not sure that Margarito has recovered in either way. The injury he suffered with his orbital bone could have ended his career. They wanted to make this fight so quick that Margarito has not had any type of tune up to get sharp or build confidence. Its a bad move for him in my opinion. I like Cotto and will be in the arena cheering for him. I just don't see how Margarito is going to be sharp considering his activity in the past couple years and I don't know how well he will be able to hold up after what happened to him in his last fight. He may not be the same guy anymore. Bottom line I see Cotto getting revenge in Dec. Thoughts?
Hard to predict honestly because I still think that Margarito had loaded gloves - no fighter ever even though some went with 12 rounds have ever looked liked Cotto afterwards. I also think that the broken nose of Cotto (2nd round) also affects you and that Cotto undefeated as he was took Margarito a little bit easy...
Skill wise Cotto is way better and if you also look at Margarito after the fight... Cotto gave him a pretty good beating too - his eyes were almost back in his head...
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With that being said - Cotto hasn't been the same anymore - he wasn't this bully kind of fighter anymore - he fought more in spots and boxed more instead of destroying someone... I don't know if Cotto has much left...
If Cotto can get to the body (in the first fight he couldn't) he has a chance... but he has to be game - Margarito will take a lot of punches... and will come to him... but minus the loaded wraps, the broken nose and Cotto has to be up for this fight... I think Cotto can win and will win a decision...
Cottos key to winning this fight is to work the body and just box margo and once in a while as needed clinch fu*** it!!!!!!!!!!!!! is part of boxing is there so why not do it if is gonna get you a Win... look at Pretty Bit*** Floyd...
This is how I see the fight. Already have money on a Margarito win. Probably putting even more on it. Smoke in mirrors this talk about the demise of the Tornado. FYI I'll be rooting for Cotto in the Garden that night.
wtf happen to the other thread i was writin you something..
how can you say that Margaritos plaster didnt make a difference in that fight??? have you ever gotten hit with a cast before??? let me jump in the ring with you and ill have plaster on my wraps, lets if youll go to distance with me budddyy.. lets be serious, Cotto gave a boxing lesson to sugar shane and your telling me to look at Cottos face after the Pacman fight, so did you also looked at Margos face after the Pacman fight!!?? did you take a good look at Margo after the Shane Mosley fight???? i dont think so right.. Cottos face after Pacman just tells you Pacman is aint cheating cuz he's left everyone his fought the same way except shane.. Cotto has this fight hands down his a better fighter overall
Cotto wins this fight by going to the body and breaking Cheato down. We all know Steward is in love with Cottos left hook to the body and i think that will be the game plan here. Cheato has to good of a chin so going to the body would make the most sense here.
I think that's true for a lot of fighters who can take punishment upstairs. They're more vulnerable down there than up there.
I think it was Kellerman who said, during Bute-Andrade II, that if you can't hurt a guy upstairs, he is usually more vulnerable down at the body.
Margarito was hurt early in the first round against Mosley and in the fourth round against Pacquiao.
BTW, I saw another post saying Cotto's taking a knee quicker in the fight. You couldn't be more wrong and I wouldn't be saying it unless I was very certain about it. Cotto's making it to the final bell even if he takes the beating of his lifetime. We aren't seeing a knee again. And I don't see why Cotto catches a lot of flak over that, he was done in the first fight. When you see a fighter that can't even lift his arms up properly to defend himself, that's a very dangerous situation. If Cotto had decided to back up into the corner and let Margarito close in on him, we would've seen a brutal knockout akin to Pavlik-Taylor I.
And another note: I don't think Cotto took Margarito lightly in the first fight. I think that it had more to do with Cotto underestimating Margarito's chin. Margarito is so easy to hit that you go on a punching bonanza teeing off for four rounds thinking you're going to get him out of there. Once you've hit him with the kitchen sink over two dozen times and he hasn't flinched, that's discouraging and along with the body shots, that's a recipe for disaster if you weren't counting on going twelve rounds.
Cotto said that he had the longest training camp of his career for the Margarito fight. He said the training camp was three months long or nearly that. Cotto's physique was actually very good in tthat fight, he was built like a sturdy tank. The physique in the Clottey/Pacquiao fights...he looked more toned, but he looked very slim and small.
Great post. I agree 100%. Although I don't think guys with sturdy chins necessarily have a weak body, I think its more of a "might as well try downstairs".
El Hombre IMHO Cotto lost that fight, not due to margs astute ability. The gameplan was terrible You, I and anyone who generally knows boxing ,Margs glass belly, It will be exposed. You can guarantee the Manny Steward is breaking out a Margareta gameplan as we speak. Later on in a career of a fighter he loses speed and power the best boxer who can instill technique usually wins. FACT Marg has been a one trick pony for as long as I can remember blowing out bums like Golden Johnson is a testimonial to his legitimacy. FACT He has little versatility but a boat load of durability which was tested to the face, but, and not the body. Cotto will exploit and will break him down to the body early and often. Cotto will turn him fire and then hold if need be. Eventually Marg will be a statistic like every other boxer who lacks versatility and the ability to adjust threw a fight. If he keeps coming it will just turn into a strong man competition how many clean shots he can take. FACT This is the end of the road for this cheating motherfuc.ker and hopefully has the decency to fade away.
signed reality.
I think that's true for a lot of fighters who can take punishment upstairs. They're more vulnerable down there than up there.
I think it was Kellerman who said, during Bute-Andrade II, that if you can't hurt a guy upstairs, he is usually more vulnerable down at the body.
Margarito was hurt early in the first round against Mosley and in the fourth round against Pacquiao.
BTW, I saw another post saying Cotto's taking a knee quicker in the fight. You couldn't be more wrong and I wouldn't be saying it unless I was very certain about it. Cotto's making it to the final bell even if he takes the beating of his lifetime. We aren't seeing a knee again. And I don't see why Cotto catches a lot of flak over that, he was done in the first fight. When you see a fighter that can't even lift his arms up properly to defend himself, that's a very dangerous situation. If Cotto had decided to back up into the corner and let Margarito close in on him, we would've seen a brutal knockout akin to Pavlik-Taylor I.
And another note: I don't think Cotto took Margarito lightly in the first fight. I think that it had more to do with Cotto underestimating Margarito's chin. Margarito is so easy to hit that you go on a punching bonanza teeing off for four rounds thinking you're going to get him out of there. Once you've hit him with the kitchen sink over two dozen times and he hasn't flinched, that's discouraging and along with the body shots, that's a recipe for disaster if you weren't counting on going twelve rounds.
Cotto said that he had the longest training camp of his career for the Margarito fight. He said the training camp was three months long or nearly that. Cotto's physique was actually very good in tthat fight, he was built like a sturdy tank. The physique in the Clottey/Pacquiao fights...he looked more toned, but he looked very slim and small.
Talk boxing?
The bum in your sig was handled with care. Luis Callazo whooped his ass, and he got his ass whooped by a quittin' ass head butter....
What will Cotto think when he gets in the ring, and Margarito continues to hurt him and absorb his best shots? When he finds out it wasnt the "plaster" but it was the "WILL" of the other fighter that broke him?
the ghost of Margarito has appeared in a few of Cottos fight since July 26, 2008.... Clottey, Pacquiao, and it will appear in real form on December 3rd, 2011.
Cotto will kneel down again, just like the first fight, just like fellow Rican CalderPWNED, and like the bum in your sig.
Sincerely,
El Hombre!
El Hombre IMHO Cotto lost that fight, not due to margs astute ability. The gameplan was terrible You, I and anyone who generally knows boxing ,Margs glass belly, It will be exposed. You can guarantee the Manny Steward is breaking out a Margareta gameplan as we speak. Later on in a career of a fighter he loses speed and power the best boxer who can instill technique usually wins. FACT Marg has been a one trick pony for as long as I can remember blowing out bums like Golden Johnson is a testimonial to his legitimacy. FACT He has little versatility but a boat load of durability which was tested to the face, but, and not the body. Cotto will exploit and will break him down to the body early and often. Cotto will turn him fire and then hold if need be. Eventually Marg will be a statistic like every other boxer who lacks versatility and the ability to adjust threw a fight. If he keeps coming it will just turn into a strong man competition how many clean shots he can take. FACT This is the end of the road for this cheating motherfuc.ker and hopefully has the decency to fade away.
signed reality.
Margarito benefits more from the wight than Cotto no doubt. I just don't like the thought of the inactivity over the past couple years couples with the recent injury. If Cotto can turn him as opposed to moving back as others have said he can make this a tough fight. Margarito doesn't typically get out of the ate fast and with the layoff I expect the same. I'm not sure if he can physically walk through what he normally does with no concern to apply his pressure. Time will tell though.
Sometimes when a fighter takes a lot of shots it actually shows up in the next fight. He went the distance against Pac but that might hurt more than help in the long run. If I was one of Margarito's keepers I would have pressured Top Rank to give him a low profile fight before this one. Just my opinion though.
We'll see. If Margarito's team is confident he can go right into this fight, that's their decision, they probably feel they have Cotto's number. Cotto should win this fight, especially if everyone feels Margarito cheated the first time. Margarito has nothing to lose here, the majority feel he he is done and going to get stomped.
Margarito benefits more from the wight than Cotto no doubt. I just don't like the thought of the inactivity over the past couple years couples with the recent injury. If Cotto can turn him as opposed to moving back as others have said he can make this a tough fight. Margarito doesn't typically get out of the ate fast and with the layoff I expect the same. I'm not sure if he can physically walk through what he normally does with no concern to apply his pressure. Time will tell though.
Sometimes when a fighter takes a lot of shots it actually shows up in the next fight. He went the distance against Pac but that might hurt more than help in the long run. If I was one of Margarito's keepers I would have pressured Top Rank to give him a low profile fight before this one. Just my opinion though.
I think it would be great if Cotto could turn Margarito, but it's difficult to do against a bigger strong guy with tons of endurance. As much as Margarito throws, it's going to be difficult for Cotto to turn him and sit in the pocket Imo. I think whether Cotto can avoid back pedaling will be one of the biggest factors in this fight. I really have difficulty seeing how he can avoid this trap. Steward is no doubt aware of this, and we will see how he plans for it.
I'm thinking he'll be stronger above the 147 limit. Both men have taken beatings since their last meeting, but Margarito is just a tough tough dude and a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. I honestly don't see how Cotto can keep this fight from turning into him back peddaling early.
I don't think he can just stand there and control the tempo and maintain a safe distance without reverting to back pedaling very early. And I certainly don't think he can make Margarito back pedal for more than a couple random moments. If/when he does end up back pedaling, I think it will only be a matter of time. We will see, and no matter what happens everyone in the Garden that night will be winners. Unless of course Cotto gets Ko'd and there's a riot!
Margarito benefits more from the wight than Cotto no doubt. I just don't like the thought of the inactivity over the past couple years couples with the recent injury. If Cotto can turn him as opposed to moving back as others have said he can make this a tough fight. Margarito doesn't typically get out of the ate fast and with the layoff I expect the same. I'm not sure if he can physically walk through what he normally does with no concern to apply his pressure. Time will tell though.
There's probably rarely been a fighter that NEEDED to dominate early and possibly win early like Cotto will have to in this fight. Margarito, for as bad a beating as he took against Pac, didn't look completely far off from the Margarito he used to be, he still had the chin, activity, and stamina as before.
I think Cotto looks every bit as done as Margarito, maybe even more so. If Ricardo Mayorga is having success pressuring you for thirty seconds every two rounds, you are in trouble fighting Margarito, even now.
Sometimes when a fighter takes a lot of shots it actually shows up in the next fight. He went the distance against Pac but that might hurt more than help in the long run. If I was one of Margarito's keepers I would have pressured Top Rank to give him a low profile fight before this one. Just my opinion though.
There's probably rarely been a fighter that NEEDED to dominate early and possibly win early like Cotto will have to in this fight. Margarito, for as bad a beating as he took against Pac, didn't look completely far off from the Margarito he used to be, he still had the chin, activity, and stamina as before.
I think Cotto looks every bit as done as Margarito, maybe even more so. If Ricardo Mayorga is having success pressuring you for thirty seconds every two rounds, you are in trouble fighting Margarito, even now.
You think we will see the same old Tony? I'm skeptical
I'm thinking he'll be stronger above the 147 limit. Both men have taken beatings since their last meeting, but Margarito is just a tough tough dude and a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. I honestly don't see how Cotto can keep this fight from turning into him back peddaling early.
I don't think he can just stand there and control the tempo and maintain a safe distance without reverting to back pedaling very early. And I certainly don't think he can make Margarito back pedal for more than a couple random moments. If/when he does end up back pedaling, I think it will only be a matter of time. We will see, and no matter what happens everyone in the Garden that night will be winners. Unless of course Cotto gets Ko'd and there's a riot!
This is how I see the fight. Already have money on a Margarito win. Probably putting even more on it. Smoke in mirrors this talk about the demise of the Tornado. FYI I'll be rooting for Cotto in the Garden that night.
You think we will see the same old Tony? I'm skeptical
I didnt even read your post because its all rubbish....
Margarito will damn near kill Cotto in the ring that night.
This is how I see the fight. Already have money on a Margarito win. Probably putting even more on it. Smoke in mirrors this talk about the demise of the Tornado. FYI I'll be rooting for Cotto in the Garden that night.
I agree with people who say Margarito would be more suited at 154lbs. The problem is at this point I don't think the extra weight will help him as much as it would have when he was active. We will see how well he takes punches. Can't wait to hit the garden!
Yeah margs took a whooping from pac but what was difference between that ass wooping and the one pac gave to cotto? Margs was still moving foward and trying to fight while Cotto was pretty much destroyed, again. So again margs took a wooping but Cotto took 2 beatings, the other at the hands of this very man Margarito. So now the fact that the beating was to Margarito and the way it all went down, mentally Cotto is at a major disadvantage. I love Cotto and i'll be pulling for him, but c'mon man he was getting tagged by freakin' Mayorga.
This fight although I'm a huge fan of Cotto is up in the air. I'm 50/50 I think both of these guys have more left in the tank than many people give em' credit for. I believe the fight will end in a TKO win for Cotto for the most part, I think he will target Marg's eye all night and we all know Cotto's jab has a kick behind it. But in order to be that way Cotto WILL have to clinch because as I have stated before Marg is still the same come forward fighter. If it does not end in a TKO I can see Cotto winning 6 of the first 9 rds. If his conditioning is atleast decent he should be able to hold of to a win. Plus it will be in New York home away from home. WARRRR COTTO!!!!!