Supposing Pac is Clean....

Sorry, wrong figures on FMJ/Hatton. Floyd landed 13/rd on Hatton. But also take note that Floyd's output against Hatton was considerably lower than against either DLH or Shane. I got a little confused there. The 6/rd is for total p/p landed per round and the 13/rd is for total punches landed per rd.

If you analyze the result of their fights against common opponents, except for Marquez where Pac has not yet evolved into what he is now, you will discover that Pac performed better over-all. In the Hatton, DLH and Shane fights, in spite of being the smaller man, Pac outperformed Floyd in most categories except on jabs landed. He landed more punches per round, including on Shane, than Floyd did. When comparing power punches, the difference becomes more acute. Keep in mind that Pac was the smaller boxer in this fights. To illustrate my points, here are some of the comparative figures in those fights: FMJ/Hatton (10 rds) - total punches 329/372 ; landed 129/63 ; pct 39/17 ===P/p landed 100/52 ; pct 39/17 Pac/Hatton (2 rds) - total 127/78 ; landed 73/18 ; pct 57/23 === p/p landed 65/16 ; pct 65/16 FMJ/DLH (12 rds) - tot 481/587 ; Lndd 207/122 ; pct 43/21 === p/p Lndd 138/82 ; pct 57/24 Pac/DLH(8 rds) - tot 585/402 ; Lndd 224/51 ; pct 38/21 === p/p Lndd 195/51 ; pct 59/31 FMJ/SM (12 rds) - tot 477/452 ; Lndd 208/92 ; pct 44/20 == p/p Lndd 123/46 ; pct 46/27 Pac/Sm (12 rds) - tot 727/330 ; Lndd 224/66 ; pct 31/20 == p/p Lndd 177/22 ; pct 50/28 In all 3 fights, pac landed more punches overall per round than Floyd. Floyd, as previously mentioned , landed more jabs/rd and was definitely more accurate than Pac in this category. But in the power punches category, it is the opposite. Not only pac landed a lot more, but his accuracy is higher. In the Hatton fight, pac landed an average of 32 p/p per rd.. With DLH, it was 24/rd. With the running SM, it was still 15/rd. With Floyd, it was 6/rd landed on Hatton, 11.5/rd on DLH and 10/rd on Shane. On the defense department, the figures show that all three opponents were landing more punches on Floyd per rd. than they did on pac. Based on this figures, draw your own conclusions. Sorry, wrong figures on FMJ/Hatton. Floyd landed 13/rd on Hatton. But also take note that Floyd's output against Hatton was considerably lower than against either DLH or Shane.

To TS, the fight is reliant on how Floyd handles the shots Pac WILL land. If Pac lands early and Floyd gets on his bycicle, he'll be outworked. If he walks through it and tries to walk Pac down things will be more interesting. One thing is for sure, he won't walk out of this fight unscathed.

where did i mention ortiz???and at what point in that fight did ortiz hit floyd multiple times???seriously he landed MAYBE 3 flush shots out of his 26 total landed punches Dude that's a lie and you know it. He'll he landed 3 flush shots during his flurry before he wen't all E Honda on Floyd, and Floyd was missing A LOT of punches in round 4.

That is a very good point, I am not saying Floyd hits as hard as Clottey (though he probably does) but Clottey barely hit Pac in that fight & his face was an absolute mess & against a spiteful puncher with pinpoint accuracy there is a very real chance of swelling/cuts forcing a stoppage. If he develops a cut as well, I can personally see Pac getting more & more frustrated. If you analyze the result of their fights against common opponents, except for Marquez where Pac has not yet evolved into what he is now, you will discover that Pac performed better over-all. In the Hatton, DLH and Shane fights, in spite of being the smaller man, Pac outperformed Floyd in most categories except on jabs landed. He landed more punches per round, including on Shane, than Floyd did. When comparing power punches, the difference becomes more acute. Keep in mind that Pac was the smaller boxer in this fights. To illustrate my points, here are some of the comparative figures in those fights: FMJ/Hatton (10 rds) - total punches 329/372 ; landed 129/63 ; pct 39/17 ===P/p landed 100/52 ; pct 39/17 Pac/Hatton (2 rds) - total 127/78 ; landed 73/18 ; pct 57/23 === p/p landed 65/16 ; pct 65/16 FMJ/DLH (12 rds) - tot 481/587 ; Lndd 207/122 ; pct 43/21 === p/p Lndd 138/82 ; pct 57/24 Pac/DLH(8 rds) - tot 585/402 ; Lndd 224/51 ; pct 38/21 === p/p Lndd 195/51 ; pct 59/31 FMJ/SM (12 rds) - tot 477/452 ; Lndd 208/92 ; pct 44/20 == p/p Lndd 123/46 ; pct 46/27 Pac/Sm (12 rds) - tot 727/330 ; Lndd 224/66 ; pct 31/20 == p/p Lndd 177/22 ; pct 50/28 In all 3 fights, pac landed more punches overall per round than Floyd. Floyd, as previously mentioned , landed more jabs/rd and was definitely more accurate than Pac in this category. But in the power punches category, it is the opposite. Not only pac landed a lot more, but his accuracy is higher. In the Hatton fight, pac landed an average of 32 p/p per rd.. With DLH, it was 24/rd. With the running SM, it was still 15/rd. With Floyd, it was 6/rd landed on Hatton, 11.5/rd on DLH and 10/rd on Shane. On the defense department, the figures show that all three opponents were landing more punches on Floyd per rd. than they did on pac. Based on this figures, draw your own conclusions.

i think Manny has alot of explosive spurts where its looks like he's having success..but after landing 1 punch he'll get tied up and frustrated,i see Floyd breaking him down,busting him up,(cause Manny bruises really easily)and possibly getting a stoppage where did i mention ortiz???and at what point in that fight did ortiz hit floyd multiple times???seriously he landed MAYBE 3 flush shots out of his 26 total landed punches

Pac's best chance is his physical abilities. Speed, power punches, combos, conditioning. He needs to hurt Floyd early and not let him settle in and figure Pac out. I think Roach's gameplan his activity will be a big key yea pac would have to go there and stop floyd early. if floyd figures him out and starts landing, pacs fuucked.

i think Manny has alot of explosive spurts where its looks like he's having success..but after landing 1 punch he'll get tied up and frustrated,i see Floyd breaking him down,busting him up,(cause Manny bruises really easily)and possibly getting a stoppage Are you comparing manny to ortiz? your kidding yourself.. Ortiz was breaking floyd down, landing punches multiple combos in the head and body and floyd was eating it well from this fighter who is supposedly un-hittable? If a B class fighter like Ortiz can hit floyd easily, imagine an A class fighter like manny do to him in 12 rounds. lol you cant see past your nose so between what is viewed by your eyes and then run through a brain full of fanboy bias the out going interpretation invents whats not real .

i think Manny has alot of explosive spurts where its looks like he's having success..but after landing 1 punch he'll get tied up and frustrated,i see Floyd breaking him down,busting him up,(cause Manny bruises really easily)and possibly getting a stoppage[/QUOTE Are you comparing manny to ortiz? your kidding yourself.. Ortiz was breaking floyd down, landing punches multiple combos in the head and body and floyd was eating it well from this fighter who is supposedly un-hittable? If a B class fighter like Ortiz can hit floyd easily, imagine an A class fighter like manny do to him in 12 rounds.

Floyd is on another level he really is , Pac will be lost at sea worse than he was with Mosley who was shot but just had some skills and a little speed , Floyd will have Manny so frustrated and be cracking him cleanly round after round , people talk of Mannys work rate , Im telling you guys it will be reduced to lowest in Manny career that reduction is a May trademark , Floyd is so good and efficient most dont even see what he does , his skill set is amazing and he is very very physically strong but because of his boxing style that asset gets swept under the carpet , Pac wont push him around it will be the other way , nobody in history that is smaller than Floyd could beat him .

Pac's best chance is his physical abilities. Speed, power punches, combos, conditioning. He needs to hurt Floyd early and not let him settle in and figure Pac out. I think Roach's gameplan his activity will be a big key

Manny is a great fighter,strong good speed...BUT his weakness is he is terrible at fighting mobile fighters,he just looks awkward,Floyd is just on another level man,HE'S TO DAMN SMART Manny would come out aggresive and Roach will try to give him advice but Floyds to good and thinking on the go.. i think Manny has alot of explosive spurts where its looks like he's having success..but after landing 1 punch he'll get tied up and frustrated,i see Floyd breaking him down,busting him up,(cause Manny bruises really easily)and possibly getting a stoppage That is a very good point, I am not saying Floyd hits as hard as Clottey (though he probably does) but Clottey barely hit Pac in that fight & his face was an absolute mess & against a spiteful puncher with pinpoint accuracy there is a very real chance of swelling/cuts forcing a stoppage. If he develops a cut as well, I can personally see Pac getting more & more frustrated.

Yippie, I'm excited! This is a thread I haven't seen before. So, what's the problem? Just give your opinion again and let's see if the outcome is still the same.

Ignoring the test and all that **** I think Mayweather wins. I predict Pac will have some good success but will lose quite widely on points or be stopped late. I just don't see how he can get in range without getting cleanly countered & I think he is fairly predictable at the best of times. If he thinks he's getting inside with no feints or jab, he's sadly mistaken. I see Floyd tattooing him with jabs, pasting him with straight rights & left hooks to head & body & frustrating Pac into opening up for even more counters. I have noticed as good as Pacs footwork is (and IMO one of his best assets) when he gets frustrated he forgets everything & all goes to pot. He often lifts his foot right up in the air is crossing his feet etc

Come on, let's see some honest opinions.

LOL that sound like guilty until proven innocent.

Manny is a great fighter,strong good speed...BUT his weakness is he is terrible at fighting mobile fighters,he just looks awkward,Floyd is just on another level man,HE'S TO DAMN SMART Manny would come out aggresive and Roach will try to give him advice but Floyds to good and thinking on the go.. i think Manny has alot of explosive spurts where its looks like he's having success..but after landing 1 punch he'll get tied up and frustrated,i see Floyd breaking him down,busting him up,(cause Manny bruises really easily)and possibly getting a stoppage

its a toss up really. floyds boxing IQ is superior from pac but pacs fighting spirit is also way greater than floyds.... master of offense vs master of defense its a 50-50 fight thats shaping to be the best fight in our generation. i just hope these divas do it soon before they get too old. im leaning more in putting my money on floyd tho, its a safer bet.

Supposing Pac takes the test and is proven to be clean, and assuming that he's been clean all the time, who wins the fight? Pls., no "take the test" comments here. That's not the topic of this thread. Mayweather takes it. Easy. If Pac has cheated all along and doesn't take P.E.D.'s for the fight he'll get killed by May.