How far past it was De La Hoya vs Mayweather?

He was past it at that point but he was one of the better fighters around the weight at the time. Floyd won clearly imo but Oscar was in great shape and actually put up a decent performance. A decent win for Floyd.

while oscar clearly wasn't anywhere near his prime when he fought floyd i still think he had enough in him to beat most fighters at 154 if he was motivated thats another point no one is bringing up oscar was very determined to beat mayweather you can see he put the work in in the gym before hand and gave himself the best possible chance of beating mayweather which i don't think he did for some of his other fights i mean seriously how motivated can you be to fight someone like Sturm or Steve Forbes the fact that he was super determined to beat floyd (manny steward makes this point during the fight) and the fact that roach actually provided him with a decent gameplan which almost paid off i mean he only lost by spilt decision even floyd's dad fought oscar won i consider him to be a credible opponent for mayweather at that time not to mention he picked the gloves and size of the ring and the weight they fought at mayweather hasn't been in a situation like that since where he was the one being dictated to not the other way around de la hoya in 07 would beat most of the jr and middleweights today no question with exception to sergio martinez of course is it true de la hoya avoided margarito back in the day that would have been a great fight

Like it or not Floyd had never done the types of numbers Oscar did for his whole career!!!! Oscar gave floyd his fist major money fight, and on that big of a stage. The difference between Oscar and Floyd, is Floyd needs another name ALA Mosley,Marquez,Judah etc. Oscar was doing major numbers no matter who he fought, it could have been a cab driver. Oscar also was able to bring fans back to boxing and draw the casual fan. Like it or not Oscar helped make Floyd into what he is now. Also Oscar was for the most part loved, he brought woman in big numbers to the sport as well. For the most part peopel tune in because they are wanting him to get beat. These amoing other are part of the reason Floyd resents Oscar so much. Floyd likes to talk about how much money he makes, yet for a career and now he still doesn't compare with Oscar. Oscar diesn't talk, he just sits back and is banking with Golden Boy and making money off other fighters. Like him or hate him he's smart business wise. Floyd did help with the promotion, but Oscar was the main draw!!! really??? Oscar only sold over 1 million PPV's on 4 fights. Go search "Oscar De La Hoya PPV numbers" and click on the link it comes up with. De la Hoya-Hernandez sold 220k PPV's De La Hoya-Whitaker sold 720k PPV's De La Hoya-Chavez 2 sold 520k PPV's De La Hoya-Trinidad sold 1.4 Million PPV's De La Hoya-Mosley sold 570k PPV's De La Hoya-Vargas sold 935k PPV's De La Hoya-Mosley 2 sold 950k PPV's De La Hoya-Sturm sold 380k PPV's De La Hoya-Hopkins sold 1 million PPV's De La Hoya-Mayorga sold 935k PPV's De La Hoya-Mayweather sold 2.4 Million PPV's De La Hoya-Pacquiao sold 1.25 million PPV's Mayweather-De La Hoya sold 2.4 Million PPV's Mayweather-Hatton sold 915k PPV's Mayweather-Marquez sold 1 million PPV's Mayweather-Mosley sold 1.4 million PPV's And I am guessing that Mayweather-Ortiz sold at least 1 million PPV's. I am guessing it will sell in the 1.1-1.3 million range. Oscar is the biggest PPV attraction of all-time but he has plenty of fights that did well, but not major too. He's sold the most PPV's, mainly because he was in the most PPV events. Mayweather certainly helped the fact that fight sold well. There's no question about it. Mayweather benefited from having his first huge PPV fight against Oscar De La Hoya. But, we can, at the moment, start saying that Floyd Mayweather is about as big of a PPV draw as Oscar De La Hoya was, just based on numbers. And, Mayweather-Pacquiao, if it happens, has a really great shot to sell more than 2.4 million PPV's.

LMAO at that. I was a Gatti fan, and still LMAO. A good win? Gatti never had a chance and Floyd knew it, he should have been taking a real challenge. I meant to say Floyd really ONLY had a decent win over a past prime Gatti at 140, and that was it.

lol, Oscar was "done" at the age of 34? haha guess Floyd is "done" too right? haters. Age doesn't reflect if a fighter is prime or done or what have you. Roy was done at age 38, Hopkins was still going strong at the same age. Not every ages the same.

lol, Oscar was "done" at the age of 34? haha guess Floyd is "done" too right? haters.

He looked very good against Mayorga. Dzinziruk is an enigma. Spinks may have beaten Oscar, but ehhh. Martinez was an unknown entity back then. You're upgrading his standing back then based on what he was able to do recently. DLH didn't look great against Floyd but I also thought Floyd looked really bad in that fight. But, what has/had Mayorga done at 154? What has he done after the first Forrest fight? He arguably lost the rematch to Forrest. I'm not upgrading anything Martinez has done recently. If I am upgrading Martinez is that fact that Oscar in 2006 begged the WBC to remove Sergio from his mandatory. Before Martinez recent run I was saying he would have beaten Oscar. Oscar was done as a top fighter at that time. Was really only highly rated(@ #5) by default of because of such a thin division. I still don't understand what made him the best at that time? Because, he beat a one hit wonder a year earlier? Because of his name? Reputation? What was it?

Oscar won 3 rounds max judges scores were so out of place its was unreal

I love when people say that Oscar was the ONLY reason that fight sold 2.4 million PPV's. Did Oscar ever get anywhere close to selling that many before, or did Floyd??? NO. Oscar helped with his big name to sell those PPV's, but Floyd definitely helped big time promoting that fight with 24/7 and what not. There's a reason Floyd sells more PPV's than Manny. Oscar was past his prime, but could still fight decent. You gotta remember that some people actually were picking Oscar to win that fight, mainly because it was at 154. Floyd didn't make a 150 catchweight or drag him down to 147, where he hadn't fought in like 7 years. Like it or not Floyd had never done the types of numbers Oscar did for his whole career!!!! Oscar gave floyd his fist major money fight, and on that big of a stage. The difference between Oscar and Floyd, is Floyd needs another name ALA Mosley,Marquez,Judah etc. Oscar was doing major numbers no matter who he fought, it could have been a cab driver. Oscar also was able to bring fans back to boxing and draw the casual fan. Like it or not Oscar helped make Floyd into what he is now. Also Oscar was for the most part loved, he brought woman in big numbers to the sport as well. For the most part peopel tune in because they are wanting him to get beat. These amoing other are part of the reason Floyd resents Oscar so much. Floyd likes to talk about how much money he makes, yet for a career and now he still doesn't compare with Oscar. Oscar diesn't talk, he just sits back and is banking with Golden Boy and making money off other fighters. Like him or hate him he's smart business wise. Floyd did help with the promotion, but Oscar was the main draw!!!

Good point, Floyd always thinks he deserves more money than he really does, and it is never about fighting the best to Floyd, only the money. How didn't he deserve the money that he asked for? What did he ask for? Do you know? If you don't, then don't make that kind of comment. Pac also only fights for the money...If he wasn't fighting for the money, then he wouldn't be on this crappy run that he's been on post Cotto. Cotto just admitted that he fights for the money. Thus why he admitted why he pick Margarito over Martinez. Because, of the money. Margarito chose Pac over Martinez because of the money. Oscar chose an easy money payday against a blown up LW, instead of fighting a bigger threat in Margarito. JMM is fighting Pac at WW for the third time at a big disadvantage. Because, of the money he will get. Who doesn't fight for the money?

Who was better? I would take the same Martinez that Oscar beg the WBC to take off as his mandatory as being better. I wouldn't have counted the likes of Spink or Dzinziruk out against that version of Oscar either. Actually what made him the best? Because, of his name and reputation? Because, he beat someone who did ish above 147 besides a shot Vargas a whole year earlier?

Because, he didn't get the type of money that he wanted for an Oscar rematch. He thought he deserved more since he helped making the first event the best selling event of all time. And, he wasn't wrong by thinking that way either. And, thank God Floyd didn't go for that rematch. What crappy, undeserving rematch that would have been. And, Floyd never lacked confidence when it came to Oscar. That's why he had been calling him out since 03'. Good point, Floyd always thinks he deserves more money than he really does, and it is never about fighting the best to Floyd, only the money.

You gotta remember though, 154 lbs was nowhere near a good weight for Floyd to fight at, as he's already a small Welterweight. At 130, Floyd would beat Oscar bad. I don't think anyone would have beaten Floyd at 130 (98-01). At 135, Floyd had good wins over latter prime Castillo and a prime N'dou. Castillo had success in the first fight against Floyd because he was able to cut the ring, and pound Floyd on the inside, and man handle him on the ropes. Oscar had the jab to affect Floyd and could have success on the inside, but I am not sure. At 135, I would say it's 50/50. At 140, Floyd really had a decent win over a past prime Gatti, but damn he was really good at 140 in 05'. Again, I say it's a 50/50 at that weight. At 147, Floyd's defense seemed tog et even more tight and harder to penetrate. It's probably because he lost a bit of speed in his legs once he got to 147, but his defense picked up. I would bet 100% of Floyd to UD Oscar at 147. And, at 154 Floyd should have won the UD, not a SD. That was a gift SD loss for Oscar if you ask me. LMAO at that. I was a Gatti fan, and still LMAO. A good win? Gatti never had a chance and Floyd knew it, he should have been taking a real challenge.

He was past it but still good enough to be a legit contender at 154, I don't think Floyd deserves special credit for that win.

LOL @ Oscar being the best at 154 at the time....

I love when people say that Oscar was the ONLY reason that fight sold 2.4 million PPV's. Did Oscar ever get anywhere close to selling that many before, or did Floyd??? NO. Oscar helped with his big name to sell those PPV's, but Floyd definitely helped big time promoting that fight with 24/7 and what not. There's a reason Floyd sells more PPV's than Manny. Oscar was past his prime, but could still fight decent. You gotta remember that some people actually were picking Oscar to win that fight, mainly because it was at 154. Floyd didn't make a 150 catchweight or drag him down to 147, where he hadn't fought in like 7 years.

He wasnt prime but he was nowhere near past it. He was the best at 154 and I wouldve picked him to beat prime guys like Cotto & Margarito. He had just decapitated Mayorga in 5 rounds when everyone was saying he was the toughest SOB and took the best shot in boxing. Mayorga was much bigger & supposedly stronger than Floyd

Watched that fight again other day and he fought really well, was a very competitive fight and tbh, no one has come close since that fight to Floyd. How far past it was he? To put into perspective, he was recently retired following a KO loss to Hopkins and the Mayweather fight was his 2nd in 3 years. 1 year later he was retired in humiliating fashion by Pacquiao. So should that lead us to believe a prime De La Hoya takes Mayweather? To put it into perspective, Hoya was considered a threat to Pac in December of 2008. Nearly a year and a half from fighting Mayweather and almost 2.5 years from coming off a KO victory of Mayorga. To put that into perspective, Hoya fought Mayweather after KO'ing Mayorga. How good is Mayorga? Well Cotto just fought him last year and people think Cotto has recovered and back on track. Is he? No Cotto was destroyed back when Margarito made him quit and has yet to recover. Mayorga was washed up when Cotto fought him, washed up when Hoya fought him. Does that make Hoya well past it? If he was past it, was he prime again vs Pac or where the Pactrerds not invented yet and Pac was unknown and not overly hyped at that point? Which made Hoya the favorite... Problem is, people want to say Hoya was a threat to Pac yet not vs Floyd? Is Floyd really that great? What does that say about Pac? Hoya IMO was not prime but was still an elite fighter looking at other options than just fighting. Hoya was a great win for Mayweather at that time. Its the fight Mayweather took when he left Top Rank, instead of taking less money vs Cotto and Margarito. Smart move on Mayweather, as Pac has exposed the fact that Bob steals money. Bottom line IMO, we didn't see the Hoya that SHOULD have beaten Trinidad vs Mayweather, but it was still a very very game Hoya unlike the one we witnessed vs Pac who by most (not me) was considered a threat then to Pac. We can't say he was a threat vs Pac and not a threat vs Mayweather 1.5 years earlier unless someone just bluntly states that Mayweather is in fact just a superior fighter to Pac?

Meaningless statement. Then why bring up Oscar's age and activity? Oscar's age and activity level are mega-important to you...but Floyd's age and activity level are meaningless? lol Please go back to trolling GYG boxing.

Delahoya was YOUNGER and MORE ACTIVE than Floyd was last week. Meaningless statement.