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The title says it all. Broner had a good post fight after Floyd KO'd Ortiz that night watch it below.

Who the hell wants to spend any more time fighting a guy as dirty(in this case extremely dangerous with those lunge headbutts) as Ortiz?? Floyd got out of there in 1 piece and with a win. He's too smart.

Murphy's Law at its best.. Very Vaild points CubanGuy, but honestly this is the first time I have seen this happen at a fight of this magnitude. Maybe that's why its so blatant and alot of people that aren't even boxing fans are jumping in on it. I am boxing fan first and foremost and tend to always root for the underdog, just to keep it interesting. But I have seen so many fights where stuff like this happens, not to the point of getting knocked out, but where fighters want to tap gloves,hug etc..and eventually start fighting again(boxing and the MMA). It was a legal but cheap shot in my eyes..not because I dislike floyd or like Ortiz, I dont think it validates Mayweather's ability at this point, I think he could've still taken Ortiz out fair and square over the span of several more rounds. I just started a thread with a video link to a debate on ESPN.com about the "sucker punch". Frankly, I think they made some good points. It made me look at things from different perspectives. I must say that the sportscasters made me look more closely at Cortez's role in this fiasco. Nonetheless, I maintain that Victor is primarily to blame for what happened to him and, by consequence, the paying audience. I agree that Mayweather would've probably won the fight anyway. But, as they say, this is boxing...anything can happen. Floyd made an effort to increase his already high odds of winning and decreasing his odds of getting hurt. I can't blame him for that. I'm not sure I would've done it myself; however, that doesn't reduce Floyd's right to exercise his legal right one iota.

Thank you for posting those pics. If the top one with Cortez was indeed immediately after the point deduction, then it clearly shows the ref signaling to resume action. The photo where the fighters disengage after their hug shows Floyd clearly in a fighting stance, while Victor is stupidly standing at attention. The further I examine the last moments of this fight, the sillier the events become. I understand why some people (especially the Floyd haters) have a bad taste in their mouths; since Mayweather is the one who came out on top, he's the one who's catching the blame. But I stand by my words: I blame Victor. Murphy's Law at its best.. Very Vaild points CubanGuy, but honestly this is the first time I have seen this happen at a fight of this magnitude. Maybe that's why its so blatant and alot of people that aren't even boxing fans are jumping in on it. I am boxing fan first and foremost and tend to always root for the underdog, just to keep it interesting. But I have seen so many fights where stuff like this happens, not to the point of getting knocked out, but where fighters want to tap gloves,hug etc..and eventually start fighting again(boxing and the MMA). It was a legal but cheap shot in my eyes..not because I dislike floyd or like Ortiz, I dont think it validates Mayweather's ability at this point, I think he could've still taken Ortiz out fair and square over the span of several more rounds.

ortiz made a mistake and paid for it Thank you for posting those pics. If the top one with Cortez was indeed immediately after the point deduction, then it clearly shows the ref signaling to resume action. The photo where the fighters disengage after their hug shows Floyd clearly in a fighting stance, while Victor is stupidly standing at attention. The further I examine the last moments of this fight, the sillier the events become. I understand why some people (especially the Floyd haters) have a bad taste in their mouths; since Mayweather is the one who came out on top, he's the one who's catching the blame. But I stand by my words: I blame Victor.

If somebody hit me on a break i would of at least put my hands up before Floyd landed the second punch. And i wouldn't be a softy at the end and shake Mayweathers dick the whole time. ORTIZ ==== SOFTY and Mayweather will probably rematch the Lil Woosy This is what I've been saying the whole time. If nothing else, Ortiz should've woken the hell up after the hook to the head. And dripping apologies while the fight was still on was just stomach-turning. (I wasn't too crazy about all of Mosley's glove tapping with Pacquiao, either.) Fine...you did something blatantly wrong, you apologize and get on with the fight. After the thing is over, if you're still feeling that remorseful about it, apologize more profusely if you want. Most people are blaming Floyd for that ridiculous ending. I blame Victor.

http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1316347479479343a501.jpg http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1316346991e48acddb64.jpg http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/131634714118ecd17746.jpg http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/131634701922e0813e73.jpg ortiz made a mistake and paid for it

Ortiz didn't deserve this fight yet. He just became Welterweight Champion and hasn't fought any of the other welterweight Elite. He would lose to Cotto, Margarito, Mosley 2-3 years ago, **** probably even lose to Clottey. He just had one good performance since he got his ass handed to him by maidana. And that was again'st Berto where he was a man on a mission. Other then that all his fight looked mediocre to me and Lamont Peterson outboxed the **** out of Ortiz in a 10 round fight after getting dropped twice in the beginning and getting a draw. If it was 12 rounds peterson would have won because Ortiz was gassed as hell. Ortiz needed another couple big fights before fighting Mayweather and Pacquiao. Maybe a Berto rematch or **** fight Mosley for the experience . Mayweather picked a young fighter who wasn't ready for the big scene yet and took it to him because VICTOR ORTIZ HAS NO BALLS. If somebody hit me on a break i would of at least put my hands up before Floyd landed the second punch. And i wouldn't be a softy at the end and shake Mayweathers dick the whole time. ORTIZ ==== SOFTY and Mayweather will probably rematch the Lil Woosy

The first punch was warranted the second punch was not. He threw the second punch alot harder then the first. He intended on knocking him out with the second punch......LEFTY Maybe, maybe not. Mayweather definitely threw the second punch harder; but we can't know if he really thought it would KO Ortiz, regardless of his intentions. Nevertheless, I don't understand how you can give the first punch your blessing, but not the second. I made a thread pointing out that however far Victor had his head up his rear-end, the left hook should've snapped him out of it. One of the things that stands out in my mind the most about this bizarre event was how utterly clueless Victor was. First he blatantly head-butts Floyd; then he kisses him apologetically; then he embraces Mayweather; then he embraces him again, after the point deduction; then Ortiz fails to put his hands up; then he looks to the ref for God-knows-what after the left hook slams into the side of his head. Where does the silliness/stupidity end? After a ten-count, apparently....

There's so much being said about this fight and it's closing moments that it's hard to keep up with all the little angles people are examining. One thing that's been brought up in this thread that I didn't see before, or think of myself, is that Mayweather probably didn't expect to actually KO Ortiz. The point doesn't change either side of the argument that people are making, but it's an interesting wrinkle. For the record, while I consider Floyd's actions rather "un-sportsmanlike," he had every right to do what he did. The first punch was warranted the second punch was not. He threw the second punch alot harder then the first. He intended on knocking him out with the second punch......LEFTY

There's so much being said about this fight and it's closing moments that it's hard to keep up with all the little angles people are examining. One thing that's been brought up in this thread that I didn't see before, or think of myself, is that Mayweather probably didn't expect to actually KO Ortiz. The point doesn't change either side of the argument that people are making, but it's an interesting wrinkle. For the record, while I consider Floyd's actions rather "un-sportsmanlike," he had every right to do what he did.

bump this threads to the top I want too see good conversation and debate not trolling

WTF is the point of this post? This is not what happened/ You must be confusing Maidana vs Khan with this fight. Because the exact same thing you described, Maidana did, but he missed. This didn't happen in the start of the fight, it happened in the 4th round, after the 4th hug/apology. What our fine friend here is trying to say if you touched gloves and no sooner then you drew your hands back you got hit hard you would br upset about it too. Whether it was the start of a fight or the middle on the last round it is an unwritten rule. To me that would be the case had there not have been the foul on his part first. Also if the fould was not blatant like it was obvious he tried to butt him no accident there. I still think Floyd was wrong but Victor should have known better....LEFTY

Those were the same kind of punches Gatti and Mosley took pretty well. Well, Gatti got knocked down but got up right away. Ortiz chin is pretty whack. Mosley took the same left, right combo and didn't go down. Although Mayweather did put a lot more in to that right hand he hit Ortiz with, looked like he was very angry beyond what we seen him. He threw that right hand with bad intentions. Still, come on, a 10 count Victor, lol. And it's not like he was out like Hatton, Montiel, or Paul Williams either. To me, it looked like he thought maybe if he stayed down, he would win by DQ but instead he got KO'ed. THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS GATTI, MOSLEY & HATTON saw the punches coming and were in fight mode. Ortiz was hands down at his side and never saw those hard punches coming. BIG DIFFERENCE MY FRIEND IT IS ALWAYS THE PUNCH YOU DONT SEE THAT LANDS YOU ON YOUR A$S.....LEFTY

I strongly disagree my friend I think the fight was competitive and Ortiz was hurting Floyd with the right hand to the body. Floyd was winning and probably would have stopped Ortiz on cuts or by TKO and accumulation of punishment but Ortiz was giving him something to chew on. terrible for the fans it was going to get better after that.....LEFTY I agree. The fight was just about to get good. Mayweather may have been up on points, but he looked extremely vulnerable.

if a fighter touched your glove at the start of the fight then punched you straight after would you be fine with that. Thats unsporting. WTF is the point of this post? This is not what happened/ You must be confusing Maidana vs Khan with this fight. Because the exact same thing you described, Maidana did, but he missed. This didn't happen in the start of the fight, it happened in the 4th round, after the 4th hug/apology.

Those were the same kind of punches Gatti and Mosley took pretty well. Well, Gatti got knocked down but got up right away. Ortiz chin is pretty whack. Mosley took the same left, right combo and didn't go down. Although Mayweather did put a lot more in to that right hand he hit Ortiz with, looked like he was very angry beyond what we seen him. He threw that right hand with bad intentions. Still, come on, a 10 count Victor, lol. And it's not like he was out like Hatton, Montiel, or Paul Williams either. To me, it looked like he thought maybe if he stayed down, he would win by DQ but instead he got KO'ed.

if a fighter touched your glove at the start of the fight then punched you straight after would you be fine with that. Thats unsporting.

Victor's chin is a disgrace. This statement coming from an Amir Khan fan? You should not throw stones in a glass house my friend. Amir Khan has great skills but his chin is suspect as they come. Maidana hurt him as he weathered that storm. Floyd would leave him flat onhis back too with out the sucker punching......LEFTY

I strongly disagree my friend I think the fight was competitive and Ortiz was hurting Floyd with the right hand to the body. Floyd was winning and probably would have stopped Ortiz on cuts or by TKO and accumulation of punishment but Ortiz was giving him something to chew on. terrible for the fans it was going to get better after that.....LEFTY Totally agree..and I was rooting for Ortiz. Ortiz should not have intentionally headbutted Mayweather, and definitely not try to hug!..come on now.. Mayweather should have let him just have that left to prove a point and not followed up with the right..To me Ortiz was seriously hurt especially after seeing his head bounce off the mat. And to top it all off, I was not impressed by the fight card at all..