Rewatched Berto-Ortiz, now I know __________?

Hatton is faster on his feet then Ortiz. Still, he got caught flush ALOT trying to get inside. I see Ortiz getting caught similarly if he fights like he did against Berto. Mayweather will counter the sh1t out of him, and possibly make him quit. He can't fight on the outside, or try to box Mayweather, as he will get frustrated, hit a lot, and most likely quit. So what can Ortiz do? He can't do sh1t unless Floyd somehow slips as a result of being inactive, but judging from his training videos Ortiz is in for a BIG surprise. He thinks his physical strength will overwhelm Floyd, as well as his power, but his thoughts are wrong. Just like Mosley he will find out that it doesn't mean sh1t. You can't do sh1t, and Ortiz has ACTUALLY quit inside the ring, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Hatton got clipped at a 39% rate (low for Floyd) and still didn't respect his power (should tell you something about Floyd's power, when he's on the back foot). Floyd punches are arm punches when he's backing up, Ortiz won't respect his power, he will continuously be on the attack and put Mayweather through the grinder. Can he win a majority of the rounds this way? Who knows, but he has a good chance at it.

and who changed my damn thread title.b1tches

you aint gone lung in a be effective against floyd..ya'll are out of your damn minds

Floyd can't match Berto's power to put Ortiz in that position in the first place, but it would've been over in the 6th. The point is he didn't need a good jab or head and upper body movement to get the fight where he wanted. He wanted the fight on the inside and he got there despite it. His problem was that he couldn't do damage after he got there, Ortiz will do damage once he's there. accuracy and speed,punches you dont see hurt the most =power man..and Hatton didnt get anywhere where he wanted..anyone can bull rush in and hold..thats not inside fighting..inside fighting is getting in at a certain distance and staying in..not falling in and holding

replace berto with floyd and the berto ortiz fight wouldve been over in the 6th Floyd can't match Berto's power to put Ortiz in that position in the first place, but it would've been over in the 6th. and he got knocked out..and the scorecards werent even close The point is he didn't need a good jab or head and upper body movement to get the fight where he wanted. He wanted the fight on the inside and he got there despite it. His problem was that he couldn't do damage after he got there, Ortiz will do damage once he's there.

I am watching it again right now and Victo CAN'T box going backwards. He got KD in the 6th because he was boxing in the middle of the ring, lunged forward with a punch and got countered with a right hand.

So did Hatton and he didn't have a problem continuing to attempt to move to the inside. Ortiz' footwork is underrated, he uses his footwork to feint his way to the inside. He'll feint to get you to react and/or throw off your timing, then move in, while you're still off balance. Ortiz' defense is better than Hatton's and Mayweather landed just 39% of his punches and 13 punches a round. 39% and 12 punches per round is low for Floyd, let alone against someone who has a leakier defense and is lesser of an offensive threat than Ortiz. Ortiz has decent head and upper body movement, better than Hatton's. Ortiz landed 80+ body punches on Berto and the Berto fight is just the beginning of him including this into his arsenal, IMO. You will see plenty body-head combinations and Ortiz working the body before the breaks. With all his deficiencies and inexperience, you're going to see Mayweather get hit more tonight than Mosley and Marquez put together. Ortiz' style is foreign to Jr. and it will show in the fight. and he got knocked out..and the scorecards werent even close

replace berto with floyd and the berto ortiz fight wouldve been over in the 6th

this is the issue..he JUMPS IN ON YOU..he uses no jab or intelligent movement..if he incorporated a good jab he'd be a much more effective fighter So did Hatton and he didn't have a problem continuing to attempt to move to the inside. Ortiz' footwork is underrated, he uses his footwork to feint his way to the inside. He'll feint to get you to react and/or throw off your timing, then move in, while you're still off balance. Ortiz' defense is better than Hatton's and Mayweather landed just 39% of his punches and 13 punches a round. 39% and 12 punches per round is low for Floyd, let alone against someone who has a leakier defense and is lesser of an offensive threat than Ortiz. Ortiz has decent head and upper body movement, better than Hatton's. Ortiz landed 80+ body punches on Berto and the Berto fight is just the beginning of him including this into his arsenal, IMO. You will see plenty body-head combinations and Ortiz working the body before the breaks. With all his deficiencies and inexperience, you're going to see Mayweather get hit more tonight than Mosley and Marquez put together. Ortiz' style is foreign to Jr. and it will show in the fight.

Ortiz's footwork problem stems from the fact that hes a converted southpaw. Its why he gets so awkward with the way he throws punches sometimes.

I actually just watched Ortiz-Berto Mayweather-Mosley back to back. I noticed Ortiz is a very quick starter. As in from when the bell rings he will jump on you. Then he quiets down as the rounds go on. Floyd is almost.......maybe this isn't the right word but I will use it......vulnerable the first few rounds. Until he fully downloads what you are doing he can be tagged if you throw the right shot. Victor HAS HAS HAS to jump on Floyd early to even have a chance. Noone will EVER beat Floyd by decision. He adjusts to well. whos in your avatar?

reed, this one too bro....thanks http://separi.wippiespace.com/img/conan-rofl.gif

1-footwork 2-defense 3-head and upperbody movement 4-body punching Footwork is like OK. Both Berto and Ortiz are just head hunters. What about a good solid jab and stop diving head first. THIS AIN'T DIVING LIKE GREG LOUGANIS.

Manny would end Ortiz in under 5

if Ortiz makes this competitive than Floyd has fell off alot cause no way in hell should this even be close

Berto is overated anyway. He was tailor made for Ortiz. He got lucky with Jan Zaveck.

the only thing i feel pretty certain about is that ortiz will be way more competitive than anyone who has fought floyd in the past 5 years... i mean c'mon, Carlos Baldomir, De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley... i think Ortiz easily beats them all

Another thing to watch for is Victor's punch output. If his punches are in the low 40s to high 30s just turn off the TV. He won't be winning because he is fighting Floyd's fight.

Victor is young, strong, big and hits hard but he has some GLARING flaws that Floyd can exploit. I see Garcia threatening to end the fight in round 8-10 because Victor just can't do anything anymore.

stfu larry, no one cares about your ANALYSIS from "re-watching" on youtube I have HBO but thanks for your input