Ortiz wants Pacquiao after Mayweather

Even if he losses I say he'll still be fighting Pacquiao next year since his name is becoming more well known with the Mayweather fight.

I hope Ortiz beats Floyd but why the hell would he not choose to fight Rios?

if he really wants to fight pac he should lose. Cuz he will never fight pac if he wins. end thread

Of course you'll get Manny next.just like Shane,Oscar,Hatton and Jmm

Like its been said. Ortiz winning will only be hurting his chances in setting a fight with Manny.

If he loses, i see this fight being made. & as soon as it gets signed Ortiz would go from a green quiter, to a true warrior in his prime. If he pulls off the upset, i still see the fight happening... but at a catchweight of 144-145. Yep , Pac will not fight Ortiz at 147 , Pac must have special advantages or he wont fight .

they are both getting tested. where's the big deal? pac can say whatever he wants on videos, but remember talk is cheap. especially in pro boxing which is nothing but a controlled anarchy. I'm not Pac so I can't answer that, he has the right to refuse as much as Floyd has the right to demand. Now, why do you need to test an "easy work, no skill midget" when you fought the guy you claim that beat him twice without OST as a tune up? Both questions are baffling.

If he loses, i see this fight being made. & as soon as it gets signed Ortiz would go from a green quiter, to a true warrior in his prime. If he pulls off the upset, i still see the fight happening... but at a catchweight of 144-145.

Floyd has as much right as Manny refusing the term... they are both setting THEIR terms of the fight. Now, Manny should just flat out refused, instead of flip-flopping around the issue. He only made himself look suspect. they are both getting tested. where's the big deal? pac can say whatever he wants on videos, but remember talk is cheap. especially in pro boxing which is nothing but a controlled anarchy.

Floyd has as much right as Manny refusing the term... they are both setting THEIR terms of the fight. Now, Manny should just flat out refused, instead of flip-flopping around the issue. He only made himself look suspect. Pacfan finally admitted this and he is completely right.

I see your point and don't agree with the premise. What one has requested in past fights does not matter because the opponents and circumstances are different. this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple Again I understand why you feel this way but to me whether this is true or not is irrelevant because floyd has the right to set his terms. Floyd has as much right as Manny refusing the term... they are both setting THEIR terms of the fight. Now, Manny should just flat out refused, instead of flip-flopping around the issue. He only made himself look suspect.

Pac is on video and openly says he will take the test, homie. What are you talking about? If I were Pac I wouldn't even give a fvck about an overrated pu55y. Let him rot with his drug testing demand. There is a commission who's been in that business since time immemorial, why would I let an overrated pu55y dictate things for me? What is shameful is when the sportsman agrees to the test and the one demanding it still refuses to fight. ;-) Floyd is overrated to you but he is still the bigger draw. In boxing history the bigger draw gets to set the terms for the fight. Floyd has asked for random OST without a cutoff. Manny has refused this, except for a video where he says he agreed , whcich was immediately followed by a video from Koncz saying that was in fact not true. Until Manny is willing to be tested radomly without negotiaiting a cutoff date then I guess they won't fight. Since manny is a sportman shouldn't he follow the time homored tradition of letting the main draw set the terms? I mean floyd di this when he wasn't the main draw.

any sportsman who openly denies random ost like pac does should be ashamed of himself. doesn't really matter who is asking for a test.Pac is on video and openly says he will take the test, homie. What are you talking about? If I were Pac I wouldn't even give a fvck about an overrated pu55y. Let him rot with his drug testing demand. There is a commission that's been in that business since time immemorial, why would I let an overrated pu55y dictate things for me? What is shameful is when the sportsman agrees to the test and the one demanding it still refuses to fight. ;-)

any sportsman who openly denies random ost like pac does should be ashamed of himself. doesn't really matter who is asking for a test.

Look, i dont care about anything else, this is about u saying that bob is holding up the fight. I clearly said that if floyd didnt ask for ost and just went along with the usual testings like he had in the pass then the fight would have been made and u know this! so stop trying to beat around it.. this whole thing would have been over and done with if ost was never brought up. im not here to debate if it was right or wrong for floyd to demand ost and if it was right or wrong for pac refusing it. this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple and u know it. I see your point and don't agree with the premise. What one has requested in past fights does not matter because the opponents and circumstances are different. this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple Again I understand why you feel this way but to me whether this is true or not is irrelevant because floyd has the right to set his terms.

LOL now it was bob telling manny not to sign? and why ignored my first question. im not here to ask u who has the right to demand what, because like i said they both can demand whatever they want. this whole thing started because u said it was bob who was holding up the fight. so i asked u again if floyd never demand ost and just let the commessioner do its job just like any of floyd's pass fights, would the fight had been made? Of course it would have been made and u know it so dont ignore this part. i know u see it. Indolifer the question is moot because floyd did ask. Obviously manny can't refuse OST if its not in the contract but that doesn't mean thats why the fight hasn't happened. The commission clearly wasn't doing its job because some fighters didn't get caught. But that isn't the point. The fight hasn't occurred because manny has not agreed to floyd's terms. Cut and dry. End of story.

dude, you're the one not being honest. you and i know that floyd is his own boss and he can make this fight happen with a snap of a finger, that is if he's really interested. pac is on video saying he will take the test with no cut-off and added, "i myself want to know if that is really the reason". the least floyd could do is to look into it and catch pac lying on his teeth since drama outside of the ring and gotcha moments seem to be more watchable and interesting to you guys than real fights in the ring. don't you want to see that? reality is, the moment floyd initiates the negotiations, i see no reason why arum and pac would not welcome it. absolutely no reason at all. question really is what exactly is floyd waiting for? sending ellerbe or al haymon out there is not a hard task to do. why isn't he doing that? what exactly is there to lose? :bigeyes: Pacfan manny and floyd can say anything but if either doesn't sign it doesn't mean anything. Pac has never eneterd any negotiation without demanding a cutoff date. For you to post anything that says othwerwise is lying. Far as that video, there is a Koncz video where he states manny didnt' agree to rtandom OST. This isn't flomo's, floyd stans, etc etc making this up. Its manny's own adviser contradicting manny's statement to a legitimate press organization. At the end of the day why don't you take floyd out of it and just evaluate everything using just information from Team Pac. For every "I agree" video or report there is a "wait we didn't" or "not exactly" from someone else in the camp.For every "I want to fight floyd" video ther is a "manny isn't ready for floyd video". Please, since you want this to end, end it. Just analyze everything that has come from Team Pac.

look i know that manny refuse ost with no cut off thats why the fight was off. i even said on my last post that floyd has the right to ask for whatever he wants, same goes for manny BUT what im asking is if floyd never asked for ost would the fight had been made? why u ignoring this question? and u said bob is the one whos holding up the fight because bob knows to well not to put manny in with floyd just yet. well did bob pay floyd to demand ost? because how is bob holding up the fight? bob wasnt even in the picture until later on down. what im asking is if floyd never asked for ost would the fight had been made? why u ignoring this question? But why ask this? He did ask for it and he has the right to according to you. I don't know what happens if he doesn't. well did bob pay floyd to demand ost? because how is bob holding up the fight? Bob is advising manny not to sign. Bob and other pac camp memebrs have been offering the myraid of excuses. No one denies Margarito was telling the truth wen he said in Feb 10 that Bob promised him Pac fight later that year. Bob's ww tourney netted Bob crazy money. If pac and floyd fight and manny loses that tourney is not as profitable.

Well, if he beats Floyd, he deserves it. He better focus on Floyd though.

Now we get to the overexaggerated opinions and BS. Manny has yet to accept random blood/urine tests without a cutoff. How about you be honest for a change. Testing isn't the issue,, the cutoff date for testsing is. dude, you're the one not being honest. you and i know that floyd is his own boss and he can make this fight happen with a snap of a finger, that is if he's really interested. pac is on video saying he will take the test with no cut-off and added, "i myself want to know if that is really the reason". the least floyd could do is to look into it and catch pac lying on his teeth since drama outside of the ring and gotcha moments seem to be more watchable and interesting to you guys than real fights in the ring. don't you want to see that? reality is, the moment floyd initiates the negotiations, i see no reason why arum and pac would not welcome it. absolutely no reason at all. question really is what exactly is floyd waiting for? sending ellerbe or al haymon out there is not a hard task to do. why isn't he doing that? what exactly is there to lose? :bigeyes: