Manny Pacquiao twice whipped Marquez…

Manny Pacquiao twice whipped Marquez… August 15, 2011 by Staff http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6686/mannypacquiao239x300.jpg WBO/WBA/Ring lightweight champion Juan Manuel “Dinamita” Marquez (54-5-1, 39 KO’s) has been insisting for years now that he was cheated of victory in his previous two contests with WBO welterweight champion Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao (53-3-2, 38 KO’s). The whole basis for a Trilogy between Marquez and Manny Pacquiao is that “Dinamita” has been clamoring for another fight since their second match in 2008. Marquez claimed after that fight that he was robbed of victory in both the 2004 and 2008 fights. Let’s take a serious look at both fights to see what really happened. In the first fight between Marquez and Manny Pacquiao in 2004 when the combatants fought at 126 pounds the contest was called a draw, despite Marquez having been knocked down three times in the first round. It is true that Marquez did turn around the tempo of the fight, but what he declines to tell people is that one of the judges made an error in his scorecard when tabulating the points for each fighter. The judge ruled the first round 10-7 in favor of Pacquiao instead of the 10-6 that it should have been scored because of the three knockdowns. If the scorecards had been tabulated correctly Manny Pacquiao would have been the winner. The judge later admitted his mistake. Despite this Marquez still clings to the notion that he actually won the fight. In the second fight in 2008 Marquez and Manny Pacquiao fought at 130 pounds. Marquez lost the fight by a split decision. Marquez thought he had done enough to win but a third round knockdown scored by Manny was the deciding factor in his winning the decision. Granted it was a close fight but again there appears to be no basis for the Marquez camp to make the assertion that he was deprived of victory. When two boxers fight it out down to the wire in a competitive and close fight, the loser almost always feels that he won the fight. That is a normal phenomenon in boxing. “Dinamita” has been beating the drums for such a long time that he was cheated of victory in his two fights with Pacquiao that many people have been swayed into believing him. Marquez has received much attention through his non stop comments to the press that Pacquiao did not deserve victory in the previous two fights. His campaign finally paid off in that he will be meeting Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao for the third time on November 12 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. For Marquez, who is in the twilight of his career, the Trilogy against Pacquiao will be his most lucrative fight. Even if he does not pull off a victory he will benefit financially in his fight with Manny Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao is confident that he will end all the controversy when he steps into the ring to do battle with Juan Manuel Marquez. http://thyblackman.com/2011/08/15/manny-pacquiao-twice-whipped-marquez/

Comments (20)

People claiming like either was one sided seriously need to shut the hell up and watch the tape. Nobody "whipped" anybody. It was 24 rounds of all out, back and forth war from both men that could have gone either way with the decision or draw. Both fights. Anyone who denies this post, especially regarding the second fight, which is the most even fight I've ever watched, just needs to shut up because you are refusing to give either Pacquiao or Marquez credit for anything.

14y ago

Barry_Halls

the judge admitted that he should have scored it 10-6. its not like he saw that punch and said it has to be 10-7. but we're all for everything going by the book right?

14y ago

tangalog2200

Thank you for using the link i provided you with a few days ago. How convenient you forget the other 60% or so on that list :( - Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao - Michael Herron, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao - Paul Strauss, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao - Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com:114-113 Pacquiao - Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao - John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao -Aaron Jones, *********.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Pablo Fletes, LaPrensa: 114-113 Pacquiao -Samson Lewkowicz, Golden Boy Promotions Matchmaker: Pacquiao -Dave Larzelere, The Sporting News: 114-113 Pacquiao -Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Pacquiao -Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Pacquiao -Undisputed, Round-By-Round Update Correspondent, DogHouseBoxing: 115-114 Pacquiao -Jeff Haney, Las Vegas Sun: 114-113 Pacquiao -Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 114-113 Pacquiao -Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 114-113 Pacquiao -Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: 114-113 Pacquiao -Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: Pacquiao -Frances Martel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Jason Aniel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ryan Songalia, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Juan Diaz: Pacquiao -Erik Morales: Pacquiao -Michael Marley, ******************.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Steve Cofield, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 114-113 Pacquiao -Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 115-112 Pacquiao -Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Michael Katz, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao -Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Mike DeLisa, CyberBoxingZone.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ron Lipton, International Referee: Pacquiao -Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager: Pacquiao -Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Dick Flaherty, Boxing Judge (the judge replaced by Tom Miller): Pacquiao -Michael Swann, 15Rounds.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Jim Murphy, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Pacquiao And just for good measure Judge: Duane Ford 115-112 Judge: Tom Miller 114-113 very well said...... pac has really shown fans his explosiveness and very convincing wins before that fights that were later very close were deemed as disappointments and even losses for pac... and add to this jmm's cry baby posture just to get a third fight for the big money and you have now an interesting trilogy...hmmmm

14y ago

Toyman

i read this all the time. "If the judge didn't mess up with the scoring, pac would have won", well.. How about the third knockdown in the first round? Pac clearly hits marquez when hes down. If we wan't to be correct, and not have the judge make a mistake, how would that factor into it? the judge admitted that he should have scored it 10-6. its not like he saw that punch and said it has to be 10-7.

14y ago

Barry_Halls

14y ago

SplitSecond

i mean for the 3rd time in 7 years at the 3rd weight class...id hope so.lol... :boxing: having close fights with an ATG in your prime is better than getting owned by just a good fighter in your prime

14y ago

iLovesoccermoms

manny should beat him much more convincingly this time

14y ago

Toyman

ouch, pactards avoiding the truth. in fact, pactards love that list, because it clearly shows more people thinking pacquiao won lol

14y ago

Toyman

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez - Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez - Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez - Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez - Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez - Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez - Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez - Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez - Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez - Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez - Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez - Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez - Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez - DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez - Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez - Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez - Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez - Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez - Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez - Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez - Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez - William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez - Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez - Bert Sugar:Marquez - Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights - Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez - Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez. - Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez - Andrew Walker, ********boxing.com:115-114 Marquez - Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez - Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez Thank you for using the link i provided you with a few days ago. How convenient you forget the other 60% or so on that list :( - Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao - Michael Herron, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao - Paul Strauss, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao - Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com:114-113 Pacquiao - Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao - John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao -Aaron Jones, *********.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Pablo Fletes, LaPrensa: 114-113 Pacquiao -Samson Lewkowicz, Golden Boy Promotions Matchmaker: Pacquiao -Dave Larzelere, The Sporting News: 114-113 Pacquiao -Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Pacquiao -Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Pacquiao -Undisputed, Round-By-Round Update Correspondent, DogHouseBoxing: 115-114 Pacquiao -Jeff Haney, Las Vegas Sun: 114-113 Pacquiao -Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 114-113 Pacquiao -Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 114-113 Pacquiao -Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: 114-113 Pacquiao -Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: Pacquiao -Frances Martel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Jason Aniel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ryan Songalia, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Juan Diaz: Pacquiao -Erik Morales: Pacquiao -Michael Marley, ******************.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Steve Cofield, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 114-113 Pacquiao -Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 115-112 Pacquiao -Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Michael Katz, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao -Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Mike DeLisa, CyberBoxingZone.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ron Lipton, International Referee: Pacquiao -Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager: Pacquiao -Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Dick Flaherty, Boxing Judge (the judge replaced by Tom Miller): Pacquiao -Michael Swann, 15Rounds.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Jim Murphy, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Pacquiao And just for good measure Judge: Duane Ford 115-112 Judge: Tom Miller 114-113

14y ago

SplitSecond

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez - Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez - Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez - Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez - Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez - Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez - Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez - Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez - Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez - Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez - Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez - Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez - Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez - DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez - Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez - Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez - Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez - Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez - Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez - Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez - Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez - William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez - Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez - Bert Sugar:Marquez - Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights - Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez - Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez. - Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez - Andrew Walker, ********boxing.com:115-114 Marquez - Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez - Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao - Michael Herron, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao - Paul Strauss, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao - Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com:114-113 Pacquiao - Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao - John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao -Aaron Jones, *********.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Pablo Fletes, LaPrensa: 114-113 Pacquiao -Samson Lewkowicz, Golden Boy Promotions Matchmaker: Pacquiao -Dave Larzelere, The Sporting News: 114-113 Pacquiao -Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Pacquiao -Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Pacquiao -Undisputed, Round-By-Round Update Correspondent, DogHouseBoxing: 115-114 Pacquiao -Jeff Haney, Las Vegas Sun: 114-113 Pacquiao -Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 114-113 Pacquiao -Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 114-113 Pacquiao -Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: 114-113 Pacquiao -Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: Pacquiao -Frances Martel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Jason Aniel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ryan Songalia, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Juan Diaz: Pacquiao -Erik Morales: Pacquiao -Michael Marley, ******************.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Steve Cofield, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 114-113 Pacquiao -Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 115-112 Pacquiao -Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Michael Katz, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao -Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Mike DeLisa, CyberBoxingZone.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Ron Lipton, International Referee: Pacquiao -Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager: Pacquiao -Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-112 Pacquiao -Dick Flaherty, Boxing Judge (the judge replaced by Tom Miller): Pacquiao -Michael Swann, 15Rounds.com: 114-113 Pacquiao -Jim Murphy, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Pacquiao

14y ago

Pacroid

Pacquiao Good, Pacquiao humble, Paquiao ATG, Paquiao GOAT, Pacquiao fast, Pacquiao strong. JMM pissdrinker, JMM gay, JMM whinner, JMM stupid. Pacquiao so strong he kill JMM next. Pacquiao god. fcuk off tijuana tlacuache Tijuana fighters work on their endurance with donkeys at tijuana donkey shows. Mexico city > Tijuana

14y ago

ballayballay

Ok this settled it for me Pac fans are by far the dumbest fans out there! At least Floyds momo fans have valid points when arguing we may not all agree with them but at least they try and make a case and not just use the limited english they know like pac fans who are ESL and make foolish comments. and lets get this straight both fights could have gone either way and were in no way blowouts or azkickings by pac. and finally this fight in November is a joke and when Pac knocks JMM the fook out within 5 rounds he gets no credit from me and he should not get any credit from any of you either. pac is a SHAM! Floyd is a SHAM! I cant wait for them to RETIRE! once again pacquiao has to have all the advantages. can't believe the fight is happening at 144. smh at those who think this will be a close fight. it'll be a blowout and pacquiao also doesn't get any credit from me.

14y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

Pacquiao didnt win either fight imo

14y ago

Chuckguy

14y ago

Johannes

Pacquiao Good, Pacquiao humble, Paquiao ATG, Paquiao GOAT, Pacquiao fast, Pacquiao strong. JMM pissdrinker, JMM gay, JMM whinner, JMM stupid. Pacquiao so strong he kill JMM next. Pacquiao god.

14y ago

p4pchamp8077

14y ago

Ben_d_great

in the first fight, its clearly Manny win that fight. In the second it could be draw or Marquez if Manny didnt drop him. The officiating judges is doing it right because the knockdown gives the factor on the whole fight. Although ill say its a razor thin closed fight, But on this third time; Manny will KO Marquez

14y ago

Ryannn

are we still doing this? both fights were close, i think pac won the first and the second could have gone either way. neither "whooped" the other

14y ago

PD21

I scored the 1st two fights to Marquez. Both close fights but this 3rd meeting will be the 1st decisive result which cant be disupted aftewards. This time Pacquiao will do the jpob properly and leave no room for debate. He has come on since the last fight whereas I think Marquez has slowed down and at welterweight will not carry the same threat with his timing and movement. Pac has had a nightmare with his style twice and so he will be working on a solid gameplan going into this one. Shane has never been a technical boxer and Marg doesnt use his boxing skills either so it has been a while since Pac has had to use his boxing brain in the ring. Marquez will make him think but will soon realise it isnt the same guy he outboxed afew years ago. He will be facing a bigger stronger harder hitting opponent who wants to get closure on this boxing trilogy. By the time he met Erik the 3rd time the Mexican had very little to offer and I think now he has got Marquez at the right time too.

14y ago

D4thincarnation

Both of them close fights, first fight I had Pacquiao winning by 3 rounds second fight I had Pacquiao winning by a round. Marquez will be stronger, more experienced, bigger, and carry more power, as well as have him great timing, durable chin and amazing powers of recovery. The third part of this trilogy could proved it's best and most exciting. Can't wait for this one.

14y ago