HBO Wanted Donaire vs Darchinyan Rematch, Top Rank Says No

A rematch with Vic Darchinyan is pointless at this time and will be a step back for Donaire. The first fight ended in a KO, if it was a close decision then it might be prudent to make the rematch. Donito should move up instead. That is where the big money is. He is already 28 yrs old and he needs to make up for the lost time fighting his promoter. There are two good fighters he can fight at 122. The undefeated Rico Ramos and Jorge Arce are nice fights to be made at that weight. After two fights at 122, I think he should move to 126 and further up to 130 before the end of 2012. By 2013 he should be fighting at 135. I also think Donaire can manage 140. I hope he does since that is where the money is for the lower weights.

The first fight was good and competitive before the ko. Don't forget that! Vic was ABSOLUTELY in the fight! He made one mistake and paid for it. I don't think he'd do the same again. But Arum is a scumbag and doesn't want dangerous fights for his golden hen. I think you saw a different fight.

The fight wasn't a blowout before the KO, but Donaire should've been up on the cards at the time of the stoppage. For whatever reason they keep replaying it on Showtime and my DVR will pick it up, so I've seen it a fair amount.

A few things... 1: Overlooked is that in the fight before fighting Nonito Donaire Vic Darchinyan had beaten Victor Burgos into a nearly fatal comatose state. There's an honest question mark about a guy in his next fight in those situations. 2: The fight was competitive. Donaire had a small edge in being the bigger guy but Darchinyan didn't just take the beating some posts I've read claim. In fact, a right hook buckles Donaire's knees somewhere in there. 3: Darchinyan more than likely beats Donaire when the rematch should have happened (before Darchinyan had to try his hand at 118). Watch Donaire's fights before going to 118 back again. He fought horrifically overmatched opponents and those guys actually had some good moments. Shot southpaw Luis Maldonado (never won a fight after Darchinyan beat him up other than a string of horrible less-than-journeymen to get to Donaire) landed a good amount of left hands as did undersized southpaw Tyson Marquez who was coming off a KO loss. If these two could then the guy that was undisputed champion of the division certainly could and we know Vic landing left hands is always a good thing for him. Donaire post-Darchinyan was a little arrogant and didn't try too hard to not get hit. Not until he went up to 118. 4: And point 4 is that now Donaire's all around talent truly matches the post Darchinyan hype. Not only that, but Vic is past his prime now at 118 (he's a bit sloppy technique wise - was brilliant at 115.) and stands little chance now. 5: But Donaire won't fight him because he can take a greater percentage not fighting the still highly popular Darchinyan. Only guys that'd make as much as Vic would be the popular Mexican fighters of his division Abner Mares and Jorge Arce - both of whom would have belts and bring more stock to the table for Donaire to grab if he beats them over beating a past prime guy who is slightly ineffectual at the weight that he already KO'd.

Why does everyone say Donaire will KO him again if they fought? If that was the case TR would of made that fight to make Donaire look good, but instead they didn't. I wonder why.. Although i think Donaire beats him again if they fought, Darchinyan still has the chance to pull an upset, maybe..

Yes he was, Donaire was incharge of that fight, ahead on the scorecards landing the bigger blows and hardly getting caught with anything big from Vic. On who's scorecards?

Nonito's been so inactive and annoying that I guess they feel they need to line up a top-rated opponent for him, but I'm not sure how they do that at 118 right now. There have been reports that Donaire's looking to move to 122 pretty soon here, so that may explain the disinterest in Darchinyan.

jeez, donaire just keeps getting lucky with all these lucky 1 punch KO's capitalizing off of mistakes! :rofl::rofl::rofl: To be fair that's Donaire's style, he's an intelligent counterpuncher who can make you look silly if you don't think your own moves through as much as he is analyzing yours. Case in point what happened to Darchinyan and Montiel. Now that Vic has tasted Nonito's cunningness in the ring, he would surely be better prepared for that kind of a fight. Lunging wide hooks will only get you on the canvas against Donaire, so he'd be stupid to repeat that game plan. Donaire is by no means a one-trick pony, but once he gets in there with somebody as clever and quick as him, his deadly counterpunches will no longer be such a potent weapon. Unfortunately I don't think Vic's that guy at this point. He's got too much of the fighting heart in him, he just wants to get out there and blast his opponents out, which won't work against a Donaire as we've seen. Vic can box as well, which we saw against Mares, but that doesn't suit him too much in my opinion and he looked uncomfortable and it potentially cost him that fight. Now in the Perez fight we saw the old Vic, and we all know how that turned out. ;) Vic did offer to fight Donaire for free just to avenge the humiliating loss. I guess this is where Top Rank's fault comes in. But also is it just me or does Donaire have a problem with every promoter he's been under? First it was with Shaw, who considered Donaire a traitor, and this potentially cost us a quick rematch with Vic back in '08. Now he had his problems with Top Rank which seem to be sorted out now. Who's to say he won't bang heads with Golden Boy to when he moves on to them after his contractual obligations with Top Rank? Donaire's career has been plagued with these kind of problems unfortunately, but who knows how much of it is his own fault? For a guy who's so smart in the ring, he sure handles his business like a kid with his first credit card.

no he didn't stop revising history he caught Vic in a fight where BOTH men were giving and getting as good as the next ONCE AGAIN stop revising history. and most of you nuthuggers do realize Nonito is taking a lesser opponent first before going after Mares/Agbeko right? Yes he was, Donaire was incharge of that fight, ahead on the scorecards landing the bigger blows and hardly getting caught with anything big from Vic.

Besides Vic? Kameda maybe, Agbeko, Moreno and Mares, if he looks good on saturday. Prolly will become one of his mandatories if he wins. I would be happy if he fights them, always better to fight a new name than a name your already convincingly beat, even more so when those new names are ranked higher and pose a different stylistic challenge. Obviously if Arum put Donaire in against some bum, we can criticise them for not taken Darchinyan, but there are better and bigger fights out there for Donaire that I would much rather see.

Also I don't see what Nonito gains from beating Vic for a second time, if that were to happen.

Arum would never put his fighter against another promoters fight unless, {1} His fighter is a no name B-side guy who would gain from winning against the other guy. {2} His fighter might be in danger of losing.{3} Doesnt want to work with another promoter.. This is why i laugh when i see uninformed 'wannabe' boxing fans talking about ducking when it comes to fighters who supposely dont want to face fighters from Top rank. To be honest, Gary shaw didn't want to make this fight either. His was his disdain for Nonito, and I think Bob has bigger plans than Darchinyan (and this is coming from a huge Vic fan). I would love to see the rematch but I think both careers benefit more if they move on rather than face each other. Darchinyan has huge paydays in Marquez (a fight Shaw has been wanting to make for the longest) and also against his long time rival Fernando Montiel. Those are bigger paydays, bigger money fights, and actually better fights than Vic vs Nonito II. Donaire on the other hand, career benefits more if he faces Mares vs Agbecko winner, then moves up in pursuit of the big names in Lopez and Gamboa. Both are up in age, so I think its more money and legacy at this point than trying to repeat a great fight from 4 years ago. Just my opinion tho........

WTF Top Rank? I like Vic vs Nonito II. i like it too but Nonito boxed the hell out of Darch and Starched his as.s out! Darch wasnt even competitive....i understand the reasoning

Do you think Donaire is the truth or are his fans getting a little too excited? both 1. he is the truth. Kid is skilled and while people may see Montiel doing well in the 2nd IMO Nonito was setting him up for that shot. That's physical ability AND the smarts to make it happen...not very many fighters can do that. 2. his fans IMO are looking for the next "idol" so they IMO try too hard to make him into something he isn't yet, a legend or an all timer. Let the man have his career first then let's assess. They have pretty much decided its a foregone conclusion that he beats everyone @ 118 by KO within 5 rounds I think I would favor him against everyone at 118 but some would be harder than others due to style issues. and have already decided he is king of 126 without even fighting @ 126. Isn't this a little too fanboyish? Really? I mean, that's why we fight the fights right? 126 is deep without people realizing it and who knows if Nonito's talent translates well at that weight. but the kid is ultra talented we just need to see this played out

no he didn't stop revising history he caught Vic in a fight where BOTH men were giving and getting as good as the next ONCE AGAIN stop revising history. and most of you nuthuggers do realize Nonito is taking a lesser opponent first before going after Mares/Agbeko right? Do you think Donaire is the truth or are his fans getting a little too excited? They have pretty much decided its a foregone conclusion that he beats everyone @ 118 by KO within 5 rounds and have already decided he is king of 126 without even fighting @ 126. Isn't this a little too fanboyish? Really? I mean, that's why we fight the fights right?

My first choice for Donaire would be Moreno, then the winner of the bantam tourney, then Kameda then probably Morel, then Darchinyan might get a look if for some reason all of those fighters couldn't make that date. Who do you want Donaire to fight? Besides Vic? Kameda maybe, Agbeko, Moreno and Mares, if he looks good on saturday. Prolly will become one of his mandatories if he wins.

Do you think Donaire vs Darchinyan will be competitive? The fact is Donaire won convincingly. Darchinyan is a step backwards. no he didn't stop revising history he caught Vic in a fight where BOTH men were giving and getting as good as the next ONCE AGAIN stop revising history. and most of you nuthuggers do realize Nonito is taking a lesser opponent first before going after Mares/Agbeko right?

But he'll never fight them both, no way old pig Arum will let him. And Nonitofag wouldn't be too keen to take on the defensive master Moreno either. My first choice for Donaire would be Moreno, then the winner of the bantam tourney, then Kameda then probably Morel, then Darchinyan might get a look if for some reason all of those fighters couldn't make that date. Who do you want Donaire to fight?

as long as top rank has better plans for donaire than rematching darchinyan, it's all good. donaire wants to unify the 118 titles and he can't achieve that fighting vic which he already beat anyway so there's nothing to prove for that fight. and besides there are better fights he can take at bantam other than darchinyan.

Yeah there are plenty of top fighters at batamweight to fight, it not like there is a shortage of talent. Moreno or Kameda would be good shouts as well. But he'll never fight them both, no way old pig Arum will let him. And Nonitofag wouldn't be too keen to take on the defensive master Moreno either.