Cotto has ducked everyone at 154.

martinez vs cotto martinez vs alverez These are the only fights I want to see these guys in now. Saul needs to man up and so does Cotto. They both need to fight the best jr middle weight around. Stop running and face the beast if martinez is a junior middle why did he fight dzinziruk at 160..........

martinez vs cotto martinez vs alverez These are the only fights I want to see these guys in now. Saul needs to man up and so does Cotto. They both need to fight the best jr middle weight around. Stop running and face the beast

Wouldn’t it be nice if we traded the state of Texas for a package triple “A” batteries and a Blue Ray? As long as we can safely transplant Austin out of Texas, sure, I'm all for it. Austin makes the top ten list of cities for just about everything. We have the fifth hottest women in the country...

Oh I agree. Texas shouldn't be allowed to sanction fights. I've seen several in recent years that were robberies. Texas has never been known for having an efficient, well organized government. Half of our citizens refuse to pay taxes! Wouldn’t it be nice if we traded the state of Texas for a package triple “A” batteries and a Blue Ray?

No offense but Texas is the home of crooked judges just ask Paulie Malignaggi. Oh I agree. Texas shouldn't be allowed to sanction fights. I've seen several in recent years that were robberies. Texas has never been known for having an efficient, well organized government. Half of our citizens refuse to pay taxes!

In the future I will keep in mind how serious some of you guys are about protecting your favorite fighters. I'm supposed to be the guy that is protecting these other fighters, yet I have done nothing but criticize them for the most part. I can't get anything from you but insults, and no real implicit acknowledgement that you have even read the thread. Texas the epicenter of Cotto hate? What? Or are you making a political reference? No offense but Texas is the home of crooked judges just ask Paulie Malignaggi.

Nah man... It's the epicenter. Until you move to Kansas, your bias will always be unveiled. In the future I will keep in mind how serious some of you guys are about protecting your favorite fighters. I'm supposed to be the guy that is protecting these other fighters, yet I have done nothing but criticize them for the most part. I can't get anything from you but insults, and no real implicit acknowledgement that you have even read the thread. Texas the epicenter of Cotto hate? What? Or are you making a political reference?

I don't think Floyd really cares about being the best at 147. LMAO at Pac taking risks at 147 against who? Clottey, De la Hoya, Mosley, JMM? Lol the only real opponent that Manny has faced at 147 was a damaged Cotto. Fast forward to the here and now, Margarito beat Cotto when he was the champ, then Mosley owned Margarito when he was the champ, then Floyd dominated Mosley when he was the champ. People are quick to forget that Shane was the # 1 ranked WW in the world when Floyd fought him. Now Floyd is fighting WBC WW champion Victor Ortiz who is a top 3 ranked WW. Floyd also beat lineal WW champion Baldomir some years ago. Who Floyd didn't fight 3 or 4 years ago has nothing to do with what's going on today. It's a simple concept that most people here don't seem to understand. A solid argument can be made that Floyd is the best at 147. Damaged or not Cotto only had ONE loss before facing Pac which still made the fight legit despite the 2 pound disparity that so many griped about. None of what you stated in your post still doesn’t erase the fact that Cotto, Margarito, Shane and Pac all fought each other while Floyd took an 18 month hiatus and b1tching and moaning why the American mainstream wrote him off as P4P # 1. Floyd decided to fight Shane AFTER he got punked in his post fight interview with Kellerman after the JMM fight. Couple that with Shane’s subpar performance against the Latin Fake thus making Mosley more vulnerable to victory for Floyd. As for who Floyd “didn’t fight 3 or 4 years ago” has EVERYTHING to do with what he’s doing today because unlike the aforementioned welters all of which who went all or nothing with each other Floyd has taken the safe route to the top by either A. choosing lesser opponents (JMM) or B. Taking long layoffs hoping the welter elite kill each other off. Thus, this takes an ample toll on his public appeal and labels Floyd one who “Dodged” the greater challenges.

So.... WHO is fighting the best in your humble opinion? Cotto fought THE BEST in Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs... He just got to 154lbs and will be fighting Margarito in December plaster-free. How many fights should Cotto have had at 54? Who did he skip over? Who is so scary at 54 other than 36 year old Martinez the overnight KO artist? You make NO sense. Just admit that you hate Cotto. This cannot be about Cotto not fighting the best. 154 is a sh it division to begin with. Failure is in your immediate future. And I don't get "butthurt" That is a little kid term. It has no effect. Read the full thread. I actually like Cotto a lot and desperately wanted him to defeat Pac. Opponents have already been mentioned. Who is fighting the best? Khan is fighting the best. Devon alexander is fighting the best (losing). The super six guys are fighting the best. Brandon Rios is fighting the best. Apparently you are a serious fan of Cotto and not hearing anything I'm saying. Since I've started this thread I've conceded several things I jumped the gun on. Again, you obviously didn't read it; however, I will not concede that Cotto is fighting the best fights he can. It's just not true. I'm not talking **** about Cotto to elevate other fighters, I'm simply bringing him back down to earth. Floyd and Pac have fought some of the ****tiest opposition in the sport lately, no question about it; But Cotto isn't exactly a beacon of light.

Texas in the house... I should have known. "War Margarito!" :bottle::bottle: What's wrong with Texas? Now you don't like Texas? Damn I was screwed from the start, lol.

I have come to the conclusion that boxing like politics, is all about bias and bull sht. You have clowns spinning the BS in a way that helps them feel better about a guy like Floyd who cheapened the sport in the past decade. How did a btch sneak into a man's sport with a shoulder roll and 4 retirement parties? In what universe does a fighter who blatantly denies the fights the boxing public is screaming for get a pass? I guess when you have enough hoodrats who are impressed by dollar bills flying off a stage, they need a hero too. "Floyd good shoo...Floyd ain't scare of no Luis Cotto shoo...Floyd the best...Floyd gunna buy me a car" :boxing: That's funny, since I never said Floyd was my favorite fighter or anything of the sort. I went for Marquez when he fought Floyd even though I knew he wouldn't win. I like Floyd but I don't feel the need to protect him from all criticism. It's funny how I have pretty much agreed to 99% of the charges you guys have leveled at Floyd, but when I try to suggest that he isn't the only one who has done it, you guys start freaking out. Has Floyd cherry picked more than Cotto? Yes. Does that make you happy? Whatever. It doesn't change my argument at all.

Stupid thread. He made one defense. He fought Yuri Foreman for the belt. And he made an optional and easy money defense match against Ricardo Mayorga. Now, he is facing the same boxer who made him take a knee. This second defense match is a grudge match. Seriously, this is a tough fight. At least, Cotto made a wise financial move to make more money before facing a tough fighter. What about Chavez Jr. and Canelo both fighters have been milking their fans by fighting bums and no-hopers. Cotto is a better fighter than both of them. its usually the stupid ass threads like these that get people going though. that's all op is trying to do. the guy has fought twice at 154 but he's ducking everybody. :lol1: somebody's bad at math.

he took a page outta manny's book in not facing any legit Fighter since the KO

Whats the problem he took one tuneup in Mayorga after a very solid win in Foreman an unbeaten bigger world champion and is now trying to avenge a loss. What the **** do you think a tuneup is? The best fighting the best? Floyd Mayweather fought Zab Judah as his second fight at welterweight, and Pac fought Cotto (albeit catchweight) as his first and Clottey second. Doesn't this sound better than what Cotto has done at 154? In fact, here is an interesting stat: Baldomir was May's third fight at welterweight, and you say May should have fought Marg or Cotto. Is Margarito the top ranked 154 pounder in the world, coming off of excellent fights? I don't think so. Just because you want to see the fight doesn't mean he gets props for fighting the best.

? Ban yourself... He JUST got to 154lbs ! Until Floyd goes back in time somehow and faces the 3 fighters the world wanted to see him face, this argument is OVER. Cotto makes Floyd look like sh it in terms of his desire to fight the best. How can any real boxing fan applaud a fighter who denied the public the fights they wanted to see?? You can make excuses all you want but the bottom line is Floyd DUCKED the very best. Do you think Floyd fighting Marquez at 147lbs was legit? Was that Floyd "fighting the best?" Add to that the fact that he came in over the limit against a 135lb fighter. SAD. Fck outta here with your dumb ass interpretation of Cotto at 54. ESPN did not go hard at Cotto for being a btch... they went at Floyd... You had radio host calling him a btch and making him look like a fool in debates about his ducking. Just... cut it out. You suck at thinking. You're the idiot jackass. Learn to be civil and stop getting butt hurt about stupid ****. I never said Floyd didn't duck. All I've said is that Cotto isn't exactly fighting the best, and so his fans need to stop trying to act like he is. This has already been thoroughly covered. If you had bothered to read the whole thread you might not have said some of the stupid **** you have. The whole reason this thread exists is to counter the insane glory you guys are showering on Cotto. There were no less than 4 threads yesterday about how much of an insane badass Cotto was. Btw, what was Mayorga? And why are you bringing Floyd into this so much? Is that your real problem?

If Cotto fought any of the following guys: Lara, Angulo, Molina, Mike Jones, or even Saul Alvarez like what was discussed in another thread then I couldn't criticize him. But whether he fights any of these guys after the Margarito rematch remains to be seen. And like somebody else said, if he can't beat this version of Margarito then he isn't that good at this point and he should just retire

Whats the problem he took one tuneup in Mayorga after a very solid win in Foreman an unbeaten bigger world champion and is now trying to avenge a loss. Foreman sucked! I don't care if he was the undisputed champion at 154--the guy plainly sucks. Mayorga was BS and Margarito is a fight I want to see, but that doesn't mean it represents Cotto fighting the best.

Cotto needs to fight Martinez, if he fights Martinez and actually does good or win, I give him props and I would move up in the P4P rankings or division rankings.

IMHO Cotto doesn't belong at 154, and if he ever fights a true, prime 154 lbs fighter he will be stopped. Cotto just takes too much damage; he could handle the power and come back from it at 140, at 147 he started getting hit more often by stronger punchers and it showed, & at 154 he's in for some serious damage. Gotta give it up for Cotto's management, promotion, and devout fans though, almost all of his major big name/big money fights he's lost, yet he comes back against guys like Clottey, Foreman, & Mayo and people jump right back on the bandwagon. Marg is about the only fighter at 154 that he could possibly beat(although i don't see it), maybe jccjr.

So... Cotto is cherry picking by focusing on fighting Margarito? Who else in that division is truly scary besides that middleweight Martinez who is trying to fight all the 140lb killers? He was all set to beat Chavez Jr's ass last year and Chavez Jr. pulled out of the fight claiming a sore tummy. Genius, Cotto's best days are behind him at 147lbs. You want cherry pickin? Try Floyd who is at his best weight, and in his PRIME cherry picked BS fights at 147 !! The only dude who gives Cotto any real issues at 154 is that middleweight Sergio. Right now Cotto, like a REAL fighter, is focusing on avenging his 2 losses. Kill this corny ass thread... Has Floyd fought Sergio yet? Has Margarito fought Sergio at 154? Has Pac fought Sergio at 154? :gives: See, this is what I don't get. Floyd cherry picks blah blah blah, but when you go and look at history, there are numerous valid excuses as to why many of these fights didn't happen. Was it cherry picking or ducking? Maybe, maybe not, but we know Floyd wasn't fighting the best right? Okay, so the same applies to Cotto. Just because you happen to want to see Cotto fight Margarito because you think it will be exciting does not mean that he is FIGHTING THE BEST. Add in Mayorga and Foreman and there is no way you can say he has fought the best fighters at 154.