Max Kellermen's presence fueled Ortiz

I noticed something: "Real" Mexicans? Straight G's. Men. With Balls. Hardcore: Chavez, Marquez, Castillo, etc. "Americanized" Mexicans? Whiny, hyper-emotional babies: Arreola, Ortiz, Delahoya. lol the 'real' difference is in bold and it applies to all their country's fighters. In the 'West' we're spoiled to a certain degree, in Eastern Europe and Latin America they have to tough it out.

I thought Victor was trying too hard to seem pissed off with Max, and as a result ended up looking like a bit of a tit

Interesting stuff. Mayweather said he was born to do this and Ortiz said he was born to do it as well, but I think Mayweather's point is a little off. Mayweather LIVES to do this. This is what makes Mayweather one of the greatest of all time. Ortiz doesn't even have a plan yet/ hasn't started training. He's too concerned about what people think about him/ looking like a "badass." I think Ortiz wants to appear like he doesn't care. Even if he does he needs to fight like he doesn't and go all out.

Interesting stuff. Mayweather said he was born to do this and Ortiz said he was born to do it as well, but I think Mayweather's point is a little off. Mayweather LIVES to do this. This is what makes Mayweather one of the greatest of all time. Ortiz doesn't even have a plan yet/ hasn't started training. He's too concerned about what people think about him/ looking like a "badass."

I thought I was the only one. Some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is just http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/2/2/22a84-DoubleFacePalm.jpg I thought the line about recreating Chavez vs Roger was clever but he delivered it better at the NY presser

i cringe every time Victor Ortiz talks...its like a facepalm waiting to happen I thought I was the only one. Some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is just http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/2/2/22a84-DoubleFacePalm.jpg

I liked at the end of the Face off when Ortiz asks Floyd if he wants to hit Max first or should Vic do it jajaja

i cringe every time Victor Ortiz talks...its like a facepalm waiting to happen I like that he is a bit strange and hard to read. its different. He talked reckless to Berto and he showed up. I wanna see what he does in this fight.

That's harsh and not true... Juan Diaz, Orlando Canizales, Michael Carbajal,Danny Red Lopez, Gabby Canizales, Bobby Chacon, David Diaz, Robert Garcia, Brandon Rios, Genero Hernandez, Jesse Leija, Fernando Vargas.... I could go on and on, your way off and don't know what your talking about. There's been many Mexican/American warriors in the history of boxing. I was thinking Juan Diaz as well, he's a Mexican-American and I've heard him referred to as a G

I remember Kellerman in the Maidana fight sticking up for Ortiz and talking about his heart positively until he quit. Deep down Kellerman is a real Ortiz fan. I'm delighted that Victor has redeemed himself and is a champion now. A guy like Tim Bradley should follow his lead...it doesn't matter if Bradley loses to Khan, if he comes back and wins big against another contender he will get his shot at the Pac/May sweepstakes.

He should thank Max cause that's what gave him that relentlessness style

I thought for a sec Victor Ortiz was going to cry while talking to Max about what he did. LOL. He was passionate. How he uses that passion now is the key thing. People say he is strange but maybe he needs to be. Whatever bring the best out of him. If Max calls the fight fight that might serve as fuel for him to go extra hard.

"there has been whispers in some boxing circles about ortiz's chin but, you can't question this guy's heart. CLEARLY ortiz has a lot of heart." - max kellerman (ortiz-maidana round 5) http://www.gifbin.com/bin/012010/1264091579_kirk_rofl.gif

I thought for a sec Victor Ortiz was going to cry while talking to Max about what he did.

Gino ros failed lol Yea I mean come on, there have been some fukin warriors that were/are Mexican Americans. Genero Hernandez was one of my favorites and so was Bobby Chacon, dude was a monster.

Ortiz quit against Maidana, he has a hard time accepting that. Yeah it's probably hard to admit, but that's exactly what happened. Max wasn't the only one who got at him for it, many did. It's Victor who has a hard time moving on and he has the nerve to say "That's in the past". I don't disagree. But I think the same stuff that made some people think Victor would be a force early on is still present after the Maidana fight. I also think he learned from the Peterson fight. A fight he won but because he wasn't willing to take it to the next level he ended up getting a draw. He also was too complacent against Nate Campbell. He showed some of his potential against Berto but he is not ready for what Floyd will give him. He might be able to make it interesting though. I just hope he uses the stuff the media said about him to fuel his career instead of having it make him doubt himself all the time. We will learn a lot after this fight because I think he will have to deal with another setback .

That's harsh and not true... Juan Diaz, Orlando Canizales, Michael Carbajal,Danny Red Lopez, Gabby Canizales, Bobby Chacon, David Diaz, Robert Garcia, Brandon Rios, Genero Hernandez, Jesse Leija, Fernando Vargas.... I could go on and on, your way off and don't know what your talking about. There's been many Mexican/American warriors in the history of boxing. Gino ros failed lol

Victor sounded like he was about to cry, he's not even sure of himself. Mayweather might have already mentally destroyed him........... i think ortiz was like this way before mayweather even came into the picture. now, he's not use to all the attention, so when he's put on the spot like a face/off shoot, he doesn't act normal, he seemed a bit tense or anxious, like he didn't want to be there (or wasn't ready to be there i guess) Kellerman is to Ortiz as Merchant is to Mayweather. Welcome to the group. yeah, you can actually say that. but i think ortiz just has a hard time being praised by people he knows bashed him when he was at his lowest (maidana loss) I dont think he is mentally destroyed. I do think Floyd will school him but I have a feeling Vic will go balls to the wall and not care. He definitely wanted Max to know that he heard everything he said though. i think so too, and i hope he does. he can't try and pick his shots with floyd, he'll fail. he just needs to fight him like he did berto, and not give up. i hope he comes with that mentality and is able to take all of floyd's shots. floyd himself said he'll stand in front of him and fight, not run away. so if ortiz has that mentality, i can see him winning most of those exchanges. who knows though, floyd is on another level and i'm not sure ortiz is ready, we'll see what happens.

Ortiz quit against Maidana, he has a hard time accepting that. Yeah it's probably hard to admit, but that's exactly what happened. Max wasn't the only one who got at him for it, many did. It's Victor who has a hard time moving on and he has the nerve to say "That's in the past".