Am I an idiot for thinking Ortiz can win?

No disrespect, but based on? In the Peterson fight, Victor slowed down a lot as the fight went on mentally and physically. To me he fights tense and wound up.

I think Ortiz can get Floyd on the ropes and score points with many, grazing shots. He doesn't need to hit Floyd cleanly here, just do something similar to what Oscar did against Floyd but a little better and hope the judges reward the more aggressive fighter. Why can't this happen? Mayweather isn't very active, will not go for the KO even if he hurts Ortiz (see the JMM fight) and might even be smaller than Ortiz with an a slightly shorter reach. yea u prolly smoked or drink a lil and check yo facts may will have a 2 inch reach advantage victor better watch out for dat money may patent(in roy jones voice) straight right hand

No, not an idiot at all, there is always that slim chance, but it is slim. If Floyd wants this to be a real fight this will be a real fight, Floyd surely can bang with Ortiz for a couple rounds and still look good, but if he wants he can totally outbox him like he did against Mosley and others in the past. Ortiz will get really frustrated because Floyd is just too fast and slick and Ortiz will just hit Floyds shoulders or totally miss with his punches while getting countered all night long.

no, it's your opinion. in any fight, anything can happen. ortiz has a bit of a chance, especially in the beginning rounds, he will need to use those to his advantage. i think he can win if he seriously puts all he could ever give into this performance. it's going to be real exciting the first couple rounds, that's all i know man.

I think he has a chance, but the odds are stacked against him. It should be an entertaining fight whatever happens.

I just do not see any advantages that Victor will have. One thing I do know, Victor will not bully Floyd to a victory. Floyd is the better inside fighter. Why stay in there all night? Victor needs to be prepared to counter Floyd. His opportunity is there. To use his speed and power on the counter. Work on his jab. Try to set Floyd up. Coming straight at him will not work. And get in the best shape of his life. I believe Victor has stamina issues. No disrespect, but based on?

Ortiz is a tougher opponent for Floyd than Pacquaio.

Giving Ortiz a little too much props, Ortiz beat Berto not Pacquiao. Most felt Berto was a bit overrated as it is. And Berto became a brat after Ortiz beat him claiming Ortiz must have been on roids. I don't think I'm overrating Ortiz at all. I think he possesses many qualities that will turn out to be hell for Mayweather. Victor Ortiz is a f*cking brick wall at 147. He has youth on his side, he's a southpaw, a versatile puncher and overall fighter, raw power for days, madly determined (after the Maidana fight, he'll die before quitting again). His speed of both feet and hands is above average. But mainly, you can look into his eyes and tell he thinks he can win. That already puts him above many of Floyd's foes. I don't know if he wins, but I reckon his streak of knocking down each of his opponents is still likely to be intact September 18th.

Floyd is going to have to fight a long physical fight for the first time since the Hatton fight. If Ortiz can take Floyd's punches like he took some of Berto's he's got a chance to make it interesting. The southpaw stance has a lot to to do with it. Floyd's gotta fight them differently. Really whens the last time Floyd had a hard ass fight? He controlled Hatton for the most part. You have to go back to 140 and 135.

I think Ortiz can get Floyd on the ropes and score points with many, grazing shots. He doesn't need to hit Floyd cleanly here, just do something similar to what Oscar did against Floyd but a little better and hope the judges reward the more aggressive fighter. Why can't this happen? Mayweather isn't very active, will not go for the KO even if he hurts Ortiz (see the JMM fight) and might even be smaller than Ortiz with an a slightly shorter reach. I just do not see any advantages that Victor will have. One thing I do know, Victor will not bully Floyd to a victory. Floyd is the better inside fighter. Why stay in there all night? Victor needs to be prepared to counter Floyd. His opportunity is there. To use his speed and power on the counter. Work on his jab. Try to set Floyd up. Coming straight at him will not work. And get in the best shape of his life. I believe Victor has stamina issues.

I think Ortiz can get Floyd on the ropes and score points with many, grazing shots. He doesn't need to hit Floyd cleanly here, just do something similar to what Oscar did against Floyd but a little better and hope the judges reward the more aggressive fighter. Why can't this happen? Mayweather isn't very active, will not go for the KO even if he hurts Ortiz (see the JMM fight) and might even be smaller than Ortiz with an a slightly shorter reach. this has seem to be the only strategy that some what works against floyd but by this time in his career everyone knows how great a defender floyd is and i don't think ortiz would get as much credit as some gave oscar and castillo for landing punches on floyds arms.this has seem to be the only some what succesful style against floyd thats why i don't know why so many people think manny can beat floyd when his closest fights are when his opponents have him on the rope and try to bully him and that is something pacquiao does not do annd can not do

The people that think Ortiz can win are the only ones with any sense from my viewpoint. This has to be one of the toughest fights out there for Floyd. The only tougher one I can think of for sure is Sergio Martinez.

@DLT - you really think Floyd was affected by the media hype and his dad so much regarding the Oscar fight? I think a rematch would have been roughly the same fight, maybe floyd winning slightly easier. Oscar was fading at this point for sure. What do you see Floyd doing to control and win these rounds? Slow Ortiz activity level by stiff counters? Lead punching the whole fight and backing Victor up? I didnt say media. I said I think he was worried about the size and wether or not he could truly handle a jr MW at that point. His dad added to it. I think Floyd has always been more aggressive against Southpaws and I think he's just going to be a more aggressive fighter period, for the rest of his career for the most part and you saw that in the Mosley fight. Floyd wont be this super defensive, low activity guy in this fight. He's mad confident now, he loved how it felt to be aggressive against Mosley, and he wants to stay like that if you ask me

@DLT - you really think Floyd was affected by the media hype and his dad so much regarding the Oscar fight? I think a rematch would have been roughly the same fight, maybe floyd winning slightly easier. Oscar was fading at this point for sure. What do you see Floyd doing to control and win these rounds? Slow Ortiz activity level by stiff counters? Lead punching the whole fight and backing Victor up?

It's your opinion so I would never call anyone an idiot for having an opinion on a fight. But realistically you should be favoring Floyd. Floyd's defensive skills are some of the best in the sport, while he doesn't fight as often as other fighters because he is always on vacation. I do not think he ever stops training. He is always in training even when he isn't fighting. He is shape year round, I don't remember every seeing Floyd fat. Floyd's defensive skills are very clearly THE BEST in the sport. But I was just thinking about activity levels and judges scoring. I stand by that the Oscar fight is a good blueprint. Floyd much more talented and landing cleaner punches but Oscar almost stole the fight (I had it 8rds to 4rds for floyd) b/c the judges usually so much prefer ACTIVE fighters. Oscar was already a bit older and slower, though. Ortiz is big and imposing like Oscar, but prime with better stamina. I think he could certainly do better than Oscar did. His chin is more susceptible than Oscar's, but as I said, Floyd will not go for the KO unless he sees Ortiz stumbling around on his feet about to fall over anyway. Floyd's just too "safety first" minded. I see Ortiz throwing a couple punches from the outside, then trying to "charge" through Floyd's counters, tying him up often. Of course Floyd will land some of those counters flush, but will not follow them up as he never has in his last several fights.

after watching how he looked in the peterson fight i beleive he has no chance.

bet your heart out bro. it's a clear win for ortiz My heart's not in it, I don't care who wins the fight - at all.

No, you aren't. Anything can happen, and no one is unbeatable. Just don't be crazy enough to make expensive bets on Ortiz to win even though he most definitely can.

I think Ortiz can get Floyd on the ropes and score points with many, grazing shots. He doesn't need to hit Floyd cleanly here, just do something similar to what Oscar did against Floyd but a little better and hope the judges reward the more aggressive fighter. Why can't this happen? Mayweather isn't very active, will not go for the KO even if he hurts Ortiz (see the JMM fight) and might even be smaller than Ortiz with an a slightly shorter reach. well I think the Oscar fight was much more about Floyd than Oscar. Floyd at that time shouldnt even had been at WW, let alone fighting at 154. I also think he was tenative and thought maybe Oscar might be too big for him or the guys at that weight may be too much. Couple that with his dad talking non stop about not letting Oscar catch you with that hook, I think it made Floyd play it safe. I always said that if the rematch had went through then Floyd wouldve killed him the next time and wouldnt have held back at all. I disagree about Ortiz. He could definitely win but he wont win a long drawn out decision, beating Floyd consistently over rounds. If he wins, it will be by an early KO or he hurts Floyd so bad early that it carries over for the rest of the fight like Forrest did Mosley. The only way he wins like you say is if Floyd turns old which could happen

I sold my house and all my possessions and have withdrew my bank account and bet $203.95 on Ortiz by KO.