Signs that a boxer is using P.E.D.S!

dude, the only fighters that floyd had faced that undergone the additonal tests are marquez and mosley... easy with the "brawlers/punchers" will ya... i got a question for you though: why does floyd required these tests after 40 fights and 15 years of being a professional boxer?... why just now?... Marquez didn't undergo additional tests. Which in itself is strange when you hear Flomos say he beat Pac twice, Marquez is better than Pac, etc. There's nothing consistent about Floyd fanatics. Someone says you have to act stupid when arguing with them. ;-|

History tells us that MAYWEATHER WILL WIN BY T.K.O.! Mayweather has faced drug free brawlers / punchers that game plan was to apply pressure, cut off the ring and hurt him. He BEAT THEM INTO A STOPPAGE. Hatton Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION, power hitter, constant attack, relentless body attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Deiago carrles , Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION , power hitter, constant attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Pacquiao has no chance at beating Mayweather if he is clean!B] Just wait until the fight and then you will see more clearly! dude, the only fighters that floyd had faced that undergone the additonal tests are marquez and mosley... easy with the "brawlers/punchers" will ya... i got a question for you though: why does floyd required these tests after 40 fights and 15 years of being a professional boxer?... why just now?... He did it to prove a point. Everyone knows he beats Manny test or no test. Manny's (make that Arum) merely proving he is afraid of losing to Floyd with all the excuses his team has put out.

If you think Mayweather wins, then how? Will he stick and move, fight toe-to-toe, back-up and counter-punch, pot-shot? Floyd could win in a lot of ways. Pacquiao could also win as well. And that win, we know, would be by knockout. History tells us that MAYWEATHER WILL WIN BY T.K.O.! Mayweather has faced drug free brawlers / punchers that game plan was to apply pressure, cut off the ring and hurt him. He BEAT THEM INTO A STOPPAGE. Hatton Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION, power hitter, constant attack, relentless body attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Deiago carrles , Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION , power hitter, constant attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Pacquiao has no chance at beating Mayweather if he is clean!B] Just wait until the fight and then you will see more clearly! dude, the only fighters that floyd had faced that undergone the additonal tests are marquez and mosley... easy with the "brawlers/punchers" will ya... i got a question for you though: why does floyd required these tests after 40 fights and 15 years of being a professional boxer?... why just now?...

Wonder what this guy thinks of Roy Jones, Mosley, Toney..all tested positive or admitted to taking PEDs. WHat about Hopkins, guy looked done against Calzaghe, has looked spectacular since, much improved stamina, he must be on PEDs too

:lol1: Your long thought out response may as well have been piss in the wind. You'll eventually learn that long thought out responses are equivalent to playing Mozart's symphony to a 10 year old deaf kid with these people. Most of them are devoid of comprehension and at times the ability to even read. Which is sad really considering the country we live in offers free public education. Case in point, his response. It doesn't even address any of the points you tried to make. It was basically an automatic troll response. You'll eventually get the point that it's really a waste of time trying to debate with people like him. sad, but all too true.

To respond to the co-called "red flags". First, in regard to a listing titled "my" red flags, it must be mentioed that in medicine, there is no such thing as "my" list of anything. There are both consistent and variable symptoms of certain conditions. There is no room for subjectivism, only fact. We don't say "my", we say "the". Now to the list; 1. "Sudden" increase in performance--- Even a cursory examination of Pacquiao's early Asian fights show a dynamic and heavy handed fighter. It is reasonable to believe that a fighter gets better with improved dedication, coaching, training, nutrition, and in-ring experience. Why is it so hard to believe that Pacquiao has improved over time, like Sergio Martinez for example? (Aside- Keep in mind that many who point at "increased performance" also state that Pacquiao is fighting old, washed-up, no-hopers who have already been softened up by Floyd. Which one is it?) 2. "The ability to take a punch"--- Pacquiao has always had the ability to take a punch. When have you seen him dazed, holding on, or running to get to the end of the round? Go to Pacquiao-Morales I in 2005 where Morales stated that Pacquiao had a heck of a chin and was hit with everything Morales threw. If you point to the two knockout losses, then it is important to keep in mind that those happened when he was 17 and 19. In one he was arrogant and in the other he struggled horribly with weight. He didn't eat for days actually. (Corales had to go without food to make the 135 for Mayweather I might add) 3. "Rapid weight gain"--- Pacquiao hasn't had a rapid weight gain at all. In fact, his weight has been quite consistent. He's been weighing in the low 140s since De La Hoya in Dec. 2008. Against Mosley in May 2011, he only weighed in three pounds heavier. (142 vs 145) Going back to at least 2005, Pacquiao was struggling to make weight. Given that he had such an explosive punch and had such quick feet, Roach thought of moving Pacquiao up with the idea that he would never have to cut weight, but rather eat lots (7000 cal. a day in training), do more intensive muscle training (Ariza), and match him carefully as he grows into the division. If you go in the ring during Morales II in early 2006, Pacquiao weighed in the mid to upper 140s on fight night. We weighed virtually the same vs Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc. The whole rapid weight gain claim is simply inconsistent with the facts on the ground. We all know Floyd was 106 at 16, just like Manny, and is a bigger welterweight now than Manny. What's that all about? The idea of an increase in speed and power is also misleading. Speed can be trained for and Manny has always been very fast. Power comes from speed and also from muscle build up. Muscle build up does not equal steroids. Examine Pacquiao's fights and you'll find that people often get most hurt by the shots they didn't see (Cotto, Mosley). All boxers agree that the shots you don't see hurt the most. I hope you can look at these rebuts with an open mind and hopefully alter your conclusions. very well said..... clear, objective and direct to the points......

:lol1: Your long thought out response may as well have been piss in the wind. You'll eventually learn that long thought out responses are equivalent to playing Mozart's symphony to a 10 year old deaf kid with these people. Most of them are devoid of comprehension and at times the ability to even read. Which is sad really considering the country we live in offers free public education. Case in point, his response. It doesn't even address any of the points you tried to make. It was basically an automatic troll response. You'll eventually get the point that it's really a waste of time trying to debate with people like him. Thanks for the response. I'll be a little choosier in the thread I respond to in future. Sometimes I just can't let the ignorance stand. Peace

:lol1: Your long thought out response may as well have been piss in the wind. You'll eventually learn that long thought out responses are equivalent to playing Mozart's symphony to a 10 year old deaf kid with these people. Most of them are devoid of comprehension and at times the ability to even read. Which is sad really considering the country we live in offers free public education. Case in point, his response. It doesn't even address any of the points you tried to make. It was basically an automatic troll response. You'll eventually get the point that it's really a waste of time trying to debate with people like him. What you said is true. The only appropriate reply to flomos is, just say floyd is gay and a fraud. People need to understand how a flomo's brain works, it's just like studying a chicken.

To respond to the co-called "red flags". First, in regard to a listing titled "my" red flags, it must be mentioed that in medicine, there is no such thing as "my" list of anything. There are both consistent and variable symptoms of certain conditions. There is no room for subjectivism, only fact. We don't say "my", we say "the". Now to the list; 1. "Sudden" increase in performance--- Even a cursory examination of Pacquiao's early Asian fights show a dynamic and heavy handed fighter. It is reasonable to believe that a fighter gets better with improved dedication, coaching, training, nutrition, and in-ring experience. Why is it so hard to believe that Pacquiao has improved over time, like Sergio Martinez for example? (Aside- Keep in mind that many who point at "increased performance" also state that Pacquiao is fighting old, washed-up, no-hopers who have already been softened up by Floyd. Which one is it?) 2. "The ability to take a punch"--- Pacquiao has always had the ability to take a punch. When have you seen him dazed, holding on, or running to get to the end of the round? Go to Pacquiao-Morales I in 2005 where Morales stated that Pacquiao had a heck of a chin and was hit with everything Morales threw. If you point to the two knockout losses, then it is important to keep in mind that those happened when he was 17 and 19. In one he was arrogant and in the other he struggled horribly with weight. He didn't eat for days actually. (Corales had to go without food to make the 135 for Mayweather I might add) 3. "Rapid weight gain"--- Pacquiao hasn't had a rapid weight gain at all. In fact, his weight has been quite consistent. He's been weighing in the low 140s since De La Hoya in Dec. 2008. Against Mosley in May 2011, he only weighed in three pounds heavier. (142 vs 145) Going back to at least 2005, Pacquiao was struggling to make weight. Given that he had such an explosive punch and had such quick feet, Roach thought of moving Pacquiao up with the idea that he would never have to cut weight, but rather eat lots (7000 cal. a day in training), do more intensive muscle training (Ariza), and match him carefully as he grows into the division. If you go in the ring during Morales II in early 2006, Pacquiao weighed in the mid to upper 140s on fight night. We weighed virtually the same vs Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc. The whole rapid weight gain claim is simply inconsistent with the facts on the ground. We all know Floyd was 106 at 16, just like Manny, and is a bigger welterweight now than Manny. What's that all about? The idea of an increase in speed and power is also misleading. Speed can be trained for and Manny has always been very fast. Power comes from speed and also from muscle build up. Muscle build up does not equal steroids. Examine Pacquiao's fights and you'll find that people often get most hurt by the shots they didn't see (Cotto, Mosley). All boxers agree that the shots you don't see hurt the most. I hope you can look at these rebuts with an open mind and hopefully alter your conclusions. :lol1: Your long thought out response may as well have been piss in the wind. You'll eventually learn that long thought out responses are equivalent to playing Mozart's symphony to a 10 year old deaf kid with these people. Most of them are devoid of comprehension and at times the ability to even read. Which is sad really considering the country we live in offers free public education. Case in point, his response. It doesn't even address any of the points you tried to make. It was basically an automatic troll response. You'll eventually get the point that it's really a waste of time trying to debate with people like him.

THESE ARE SIDE EFFECTS YOU IDIOT! AND PEDS CAN MAKE YOU TAKE A BETTER PUNCH YOU IDIOT, i HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES. A former team mate of mine was juiced up when he got into a fight with the police. They mased him, tazed him, and then shot him 4 times. Once in the arm two in the chest and he was still whipping there ass.Throwing them alll over the car. Finally they shot him in the knee and he went down allowing them to gang up on top of him long enough to cuff his hands and ankles. He was super strong, 4 shots from a 38 could not stop this man. All because of P.E.D.S! and that proves Manny Pacquiao's on PEDS? Great now everybody can sleep soundly at night.

It is a joke! This entire testing fiasco is a joke. Not being willing to submit to the standards of testing they have is also a joke. If you watch Pac getting rocked in the 120s and watch him dominate in the 140s without getting visions of Barry Bonds, you're either blind, a Filipino, or both. Pac is juiced to the gills, Floyd probably is too! Boxing is the most corrupt sport on the planet hands down...Any boxing fan should without bias be able to see that Pacquiao is juiced to the gills. humbly suggest you bring all of those info to floyd's camp.... might enable them to come up with a deposition to the courts....

Corrales was weight drained and Hatton said Floyd doesn't actually hit that hard. THATs FUNNY COMING FROM A MAN that was TKO'ed!

If Pacquiao comes to box, he will get a slow beating LEADING INTO A TKO. If he comes to fight he will be KNOCK OUT!

If you think Mayweather wins, then how? Will he stick and move, fight toe-to-toe, back-up and counter-punch, pot-shot? Floyd could win in a lot of ways. Pacquiao could also win as well. And that win, we know, would be by knockout. History tells us that MAYWEATHER WILL WIN BY T.K.O.! Mayweather has faced drug free brawlers / punchers that game plan was to apply pressure, cut off the ring and hurt him. He BEAT THEM INTO A STOPPAGE. Hatton Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION, power hitter, constant attack, relentless body attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Deiago carrles , Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION , power hitter, constant attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Pacquiao has no chance at beating Mayweather if he is clean!B] Just wait until the fight and then you will see more clearly! Sorry, but you suck. All this weakling speculation. You sound just like a David Haye fanboy. You dodge all of the real issues I brought up. Ducking and dodging. Even your argument is weak with only two examples to back you up. By the way, Corrales was weight drained and Hatton said Floyd doesn't actually hit that hard.

Signs that a poster is S.H.I.T.! - Made this thread - Rambles about theory boxing

If you think Mayweather wins, then how? Will he stick and move, fight toe-to-toe, back-up and counter-punch, pot-shot? Floyd could win in a lot of ways. Pacquiao could also win as well. And that win, we know, would be by knockout. History tells us that MAYWEATHER WILL WIN BY T.K.O.! Mayweather has faced drug free brawlers / punchers that game plan was to apply pressure, cut off the ring and hurt him. He BEAT THEM INTO A STOPPAGE. Hatton Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION, power hitter, constant attack, relentless body attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Deiago carrles , Undefeated WORLD CHAMPION , power hitter, constant attack. Mayweather T.K.O'ED EM. Pacquiao has no chance at beating Mayweather if he is clean!B] Just wait until the fight and then you will see more clearly!

What will you say when Mayweather Tko's Pacquiao. What will you say when Pacquiao looks slow and weaken. What will you say when Pacquiao runs out of gas in the middle rounds leading into a stoppage by Mayweather. WHAT WILL YOU SAY!! careful dude. a little more and you might pop a vessel. they're still gonna have to fight their respective opponents. your getting waaaay ahead of yourself.

to respond to the co-called "red flags". First, in regard to a listing titled "my" red flags, it must be mentioed that in medicine, there is no such thing as "my" list of anything. There are both consistent and variable symptoms of certain conditions. There is no room for subjectivism, only fact. We don't say "my", we say "the". Now to the list; 1. "sudden" increase in performance--- even a cursory examination of pacquiao's early asian fights show a dynamic and heavy handed fighter. It is reasonable to believe that a fighter gets better with improved dedication, coaching, training, nutrition, and in-ring experience. Why is it so hard to believe that pacquiao has improved over time, like sergio martinez for example? (aside- keep in mind that many who point at "increased performance" also state that pacquiao is fighting old, washed-up, no-hopers who have already been softened up by floyd. Which one is it?) 2. "the ability to take a punch"--- pacquiao has always had the ability to take a punch. When have you seen him dazed, holding on, or running to get to the end of the round? Go to pacquiao-morales i in 2005 where morales stated that pacquiao had a heck of a chin and was hit with everything morales threw. If you point to the two knockout losses, then it is important to keep in mind that those happened when he was 17 and 19. In one he was arrogant and in the other he struggled horribly with weight. He didn't eat for days actually. (corales had to go without food to make the 135 for mayweather i might add) 3. "rapid weight gain"--- pacquiao hasn't had a rapid weight gain at all. In fact, his weight has been quite consistent. He's been weighing in the low 140s since de la hoya in dec. 2008. Against mosley in may 2011, he only weighed in three pounds heavier. (142 vs 145) going back to at least 2005, pacquiao was struggling to make weight. Given that he had such an explosive punch and had such quick feet, roach thought of moving pacquiao up with the idea that he would never have to cut weight, but rather eat lots (7000 cal. A day in training), do more intensive muscle training (ariza), and match him carefully as he grows into the division. If you go in the ring during morales ii in early 2006, pacquiao weighed in the mid to upper 140s on fight night. We weighed virtually the same vs cotto, margarito, mosley, etc. The whole rapid weight gain claim is simply inconsistent with the facts on the ground. We all know floyd was 106 at 16, just like manny, and is a bigger welterweight now than manny. What's that all about? The idea of an increase in speed and power is also misleading. Speed can be trained for and manny has always been very fast. Power comes from speed and also from muscle build up. Muscle build up does not equal steroids. Examine pacquiao's fights and you'll find that people often get most hurt by the shots they didn't see (cotto, mosley). All boxers agree that the shots you don't see hurt the most. I hope you can look at these rebuts with an open mind and hopefully alter your conclusions. i will say that you are about one long outburst away from pooping yourself at your computer desk. exactly, there is nothing you can say! Pacquiao will be expose and all his bull**** accomplishments will be questioned in the history books!

What will you say when Mayweather Tko's Pacquiao. What will you say when Pacquiao looks slow and weaken. What will you say when Pacquiao runs out of gas in the middle rounds leading into a stoppage by Mayweather. WHAT WILL YOU SAY!! Is that your response? If so, I'm kind of disappointed. You didn't address a single idea that was put forward. All these questions, essentially the same question in different forms, regarding future speculation is just a waste of time. If a fighter wins honorably, we call them an honorable fighter. If a fighter cheats, fights dirty, or is in with the judges, we would call them the opposite. If you think Mayweather wins, then how? Will he stick and move, fight toe-to-toe, back-up and counter-punch, pot-shot? Floyd could win in a lot of ways. Pacquiao could also win as well. And that win, we know, would be by knockout.

To respond to the co-called "red flags". First, in regard to a listing titled "my" red flags, it must be mentioed that in medicine, there is no such thing as "my" list of anything. There are both consistent and variable symptoms of certain conditions. There is no room for subjectivism, only fact. We don't say "my", we say "the". Now to the list; 1. "Sudden" increase in performance--- Even a cursory examination of Pacquiao's early Asian fights show a dynamic and heavy handed fighter. It is reasonable to believe that a fighter gets better with improved dedication, coaching, training, nutrition, and in-ring experience. Why is it so hard to believe that Pacquiao has improved over time, like Sergio Martinez for example? (Aside- Keep in mind that many who point at "increased performance" also state that Pacquiao is fighting old, washed-up, no-hopers who have already been softened up by Floyd. Which one is it?) 2. "The ability to take a punch"--- Pacquiao has always had the ability to take a punch. When have you seen him dazed, holding on, or running to get to the end of the round? Go to Pacquiao-Morales I in 2005 where Morales stated that Pacquiao had a heck of a chin and was hit with everything Morales threw. If you point to the two knockout losses, then it is important to keep in mind that those happened when he was 17 and 19. In one he was arrogant and in the other he struggled horribly with weight. He didn't eat for days actually. (Corales had to go without food to make the 135 for Mayweather I might add) 3. "Rapid weight gain"--- Pacquiao hasn't had a rapid weight gain at all. In fact, his weight has been quite consistent. He's been weighing in the low 140s since De La Hoya in Dec. 2008. Against Mosley in May 2011, he only weighed in three pounds heavier. (142 vs 145) Going back to at least 2005, Pacquiao was struggling to make weight. Given that he had such an explosive punch and had such quick feet, Roach thought of moving Pacquiao up with the idea that he would never have to cut weight, but rather eat lots (7000 cal. a day in training), do more intensive muscle training (Ariza), and match him carefully as he grows into the division. If you go in the ring during Morales II in early 2006, Pacquiao weighed in the mid to upper 140s on fight night. We weighed virtually the same vs Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc. The whole rapid weight gain claim is simply inconsistent with the facts on the ground. We all know Floyd was 106 at 16, just like Manny, and is a bigger welterweight now than Manny. What's that all about? The idea of an increase in speed and power is also misleading. Speed can be trained for and Manny has always been very fast. Power comes from speed and also from muscle build up. Muscle build up does not equal steroids. Examine Pacquiao's fights and you'll find that people often get most hurt by the shots they didn't see (Cotto, Mosley). All boxers agree that the shots you don't see hurt the most. I hope you can look at these rebuts with an open mind and hopefully alter your conclusions. What will you say when Mayweather Tko's Pacquiao. What will you say when Pacquiao looks slow and weaken. What will you say when Pacquiao runs out of gas in the middle rounds leading into a stoppage by Mayweather. WHAT WILL YOU SAY!!