He was supposed to administer random blood and urine tests to PBF and SSM. He stopped the blood testing 18 days before the fight. He didn't test each fighter the same number of times or on the same days. His explanation was the following.
"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or suspicion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it," said Tygart.
http://www.boxingscene.com/doctors-back-pacquiaos-case-against-usada-protocol--28442
This would be the same as your son's principal saying that they are going to have random drug testing at the school and then it turns out the principal might do extra tests if they have a "suspicion" of your son. That's not random, that's up to the principal's own subjective opinion. It wouldn't be random and it wouldn't be legal.
That's exactly the same thing Tygart said he did. He would have conducted another test closer to the fight if he had a "suspicion" about one of the fighters. It shouldn't be up to his subjective opinion. Random should mean random, not left to the discretion of Tygart or anyone else that would conduct the tests.
As a Mayweather fan, I do agree that they dropped the ball big time on this. I mean 18 days out? Atleast go to 10 to say you went under the 14 that Pac wanted or go to single digits. I know its not under Mayweather's or GBP's control but Tygart & USADA are idiots for that. To me it caused them to look slick & they lost some credibility.
If you say that saw no reason to test further then what will you say about the Pac fight? If he passes all his test 18 days out then how can you go further? The critics will ask what did you see to make you want to test Pac further?
Luckily for Floyd they have the Ortiz fight 1st and they should go down further but then it will still look pretty shady like Floyd, GBP, & Tygart are in it together and they wanted to inch it closer in each fight.
Like Floyd was worried about the testing effecting him in the ring also so they stopped the Mosley testing at 18 days, then they will stop the Ortiz testing at 7, and then the Pac fight will go all the way until a day before or so. It just doesnt look right.
With that being said, none of that still really matters in the end. Either you pass the test or you dont and everything they do has to be on record so they cant test Pac an abnormal amount of times compared to Floyd or everyone will rip them. They will be fair to Pac because they know "everyone" is watching this and it will be a stain on them forever if they screw it up
there you go. real talk right here from an unbiased poster.
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They still urine tested after the 18 days and it was a deterrent. The fighters didn't know they weren't going to get tested. Why take steroids when you have that program in place
Almost as the same as what Pac's camp wanted in the first negotations, 21 days cut off urine test afterwards, and another blood test after the fight
true or if Manny had acted like 99.9% of athletes and just took the damn test instead of going from "Manny has needlephobia" to "Manny is superstitious" to "Manny gets weak for like 5 day after a blood test" then we would have been talking about Mayweather vs Pacquiao II right now
Just like how Hopkins took the damn test
They still urine tested after the 18 days and it was a deterrent. The fighters didn't know they weren't going to get tested. Why take steroids when you have that program in place
wHO IS TO SAY FLOYD DID NOT KNOW THEY WOULD STOP TESTING @ 18 DAYS? FLOYD DOES PAY THEM RIGHT? FLOYD COULD HAVE BEEN DOING PEDS.... THEY ONLY TESTED MOSELY AFTER AND NOT FLOYD. IT IS POSSIBLE. IF YOU GUYS BELIEVE IN A-SIDE METH AND A BUNCH OF PARANOID CRACKHEADS.........????? IS THIS ANY LESS OF A SUSPICION? DOES ONLY FLOYD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE PARANOID?
They still urine tested after the 18 days and it was a deterrent. The fighters didn't know they weren't going to get tested. Why take steroids when you have that program in place
Back to reality :
IF Floyd did not asked for additional bvl**** testing. then we might be talking about a rematch with FLoyd getting 60-40 and up 1-0 over Pac :(
true or if Manny had acted like 99.9% of athletes and just took the damn test instead of going from "Manny has needlephobia" to "Manny is superstitious" to "Manny gets weak for like 5 day after a blood test" then we would have been talking about Mayweather vs Pacquiao II right now
Back to reality :
IF Floyd did not asked for additional bvl**** testing. then we might be talking about a rematch with FLoyd getting 60-40 and up 1-0 over Pac :(
This is why I have always said though that Pac should be testing now if he wants to fight Floyd. I dont mean like right now but I mean in his fights. There was no way that guys like Margarito, Clottey, & Mosley were going to beat him.
If he was worried about it affecting him in the ring then try it out against them. He shouldve done like 21 days against Clottey, 14 days against Margarito, and 7 days against Mosley. He wouldve been use to it by now and Floyd would have no excuse not to fight him
What Tygart is saying is that if the blood or urine came back and they thought they needed to do some more testing depending on what they found in the test results then he would have ordered more testing...it is random...meaning that even though they stoped testing 18 days before the fight both fighters could have been tested...the fighters didnt no they werent going to be tested agian...come on man!
If that's what he was saying, then why didn't he say it?
The testing should be done at random throughout the fighters training camps. Otherwise, by your own admission, so long as they didn't come up dirty prior to two weeks before the fight, could literally inject themselves with Superman's sperm and they wouldn't have reason to test. Right? Because, they'd have no reason to test the athlete if he didn't have a dirty or potentially dirty test result.
Or... maybe, they should keep it random and have no imposed cut off date and test them throughout the training camp. This way, there's NO wiggle room.
Come on man!
As a Mayweather fan, I do agree that they dropped the ball big time on this. I mean 18 days out? Atleast go to 10 to say you went under the 14 that Pac wanted or go to single digits. I know its not under Mayweather's or GBP's control but Tygart & USADA are idiots for that. To me it caused them to look slick & they lost some credibility.
If you say that saw no reason to test further then what will you say about the Pac fight? If he passes all his test 18 days out then how can you go further? The critics will ask what did you see to make you want to test Pac further?
Luckily for Floyd they have the Ortiz fight 1st and they should go down further but then it will still look pretty shady like Floyd, GBP, & Tygart are in it together and they wanted to inch it closer in each fight.
Like Floyd was worried about the testing effecting him in the ring also so they stopped the Mosley testing at 18 days, then they will stop the Ortiz testing at 7, and then the Pac fight will go all the way until a day before or so. It just doesnt look right.
With that being said, none of that still really matters in the end. Either you pass the test or you dont and everything they do has to be on record so they cant test Pac an abnormal amount of times compared to Floyd or everyone will rip them. They will be fair to Pac because they know "everyone" is watching this and it will be a stain on them forever if they screw it up
Thats the suspicious thing, Manny ask for 21 days cut off of blood testing but urine all the way and blood testing on the day of the fight, but they did not agree because the window to cheat is very high and PEDS could magically do wonder on so short of time and it could be cycled in less than 24 hours. But on the May-Mosley Fight it was 18 days blood cut off and urine all the ways unless there are suspicions on the urine??????? USADA screwed this one big time
Jesus Christ you dudes are straight up stupid.
I got hand it to bob. He find A creative way to find a reason not to make the fight.
The excuses are a mile long now.
I'm not sure you guys understand what random means. How was it determined that the last test would be 18 days out? Was it determined by chance or by Tygart?
Tygart decided they had enough blood samples 18 days out so they didn't need any more. If he decides that same thing ten times in a row aren't the fighters going to figure out he doesn't feel the need to test closer to the fight? Isn't that going to lessen the deterrent and the whole point of random testing?
Why not just make it that there is an equal chance that there could be a test every day regardless of how many samples have already been collected? That would be random testing and would not leave it to the discretion of Tygart or anyone else as to when testing should stop.
Team Pacquiao are not happy they can't get a guarantee on a cut-off date.
Typical shyster move. Bob is making Manny look more suspicious by the day.
LOL but Team floyd now thats a an upstanding team full of angels! Pot calls kettle black!
As a Mayweather fan, I do agree that they dropped the ball big time on this. I mean 18 days out? Atleast go to 10 to say you went under the 14 that Pac wanted or go to single digits. I know its not under Mayweather's or GBP's control but Tygart & USADA are idiots for that. To me it caused them to look slick & they lost some credibility.
If you say that saw no reason to test further then what will you say about the Pac fight? If he passes all his test 18 days out then how can you go further? The critics will ask what did you see to make you want to test Pac further?
Luckily for Floyd they have the Ortiz fight 1st and they should go down further but then it will still look pretty shady like Floyd, GBP, & Tygart are in it together and they wanted to inch it closer in each fight.
Like Floyd was worried about the testing effecting him in the ring also so they stopped the Mosley testing at 18 days, then they will stop the Ortiz testing at 7, and then the Pac fight will go all the way until a day before or so. It just doesnt look right.
With that being said, none of that still really matters in the end. Either you pass the test or you dont and everything they do has to be on record so they cant test Pac an abnormal amount of times compared to Floyd or everyone will rip them. They will be fair to Pac because they know "everyone" is watching this and it will be a stain on them forever if they screw it up
very valid observation..............
i am inclined to think bob only did his usada stunt not really to question usada capabilities and name but just to direct the wada and public's attention to the testing itself....
for me, usada or any other agency doing the testing is of secondary concern.......
the testing procedure itself will be closely watched/monitored
As a Mayweather fan, I do agree that they dropped the ball big time on this. I mean 18 days out? Atleast go to 10 to say you went under the 14 that Pac wanted or go to single digits. I know its not under Mayweather's or GBP's control but Tygart & USADA are idiots for that. To me it caused them to look slick & they lost some credibility.
If you say that saw no reason to test further then what will you say about the Pac fight? If he passes all his test 18 days out then how can you go further? The critics will ask what did you see to make you want to test Pac further?
Luckily for Floyd they have the Ortiz fight 1st and they should go down further but then it will still look pretty shady like Floyd, GBP, & Tygart are in it together and they wanted to inch it closer in each fight.
Like Floyd was worried about the testing effecting him in the ring also so they stopped the Mosley testing at 18 days, then they will stop the Ortiz testing at 7, and then the Pac fight will go all the way until a day before or so. It just doesnt look right.
With that being said, none of that still really matters in the end. Either you pass the test or you dont and everything they do has to be on record so they cant test Pac an abnormal amount of times compared to Floyd or everyone will rip them. They will be fair to Pac because they know "everyone" is watching this and it will be a stain on them forever if they screw it up