The Klitschkos Belong in a Super Heavyweight division!!

Or just maybe most of these smaller heavyweights should train harder, stop eating so much sh1t and go down to cruiserweight. I'm sure if they did and there was a few tournaments in say Germany that would generate big interest/money.

They DO fight in the super heavyweight division If you want to see pre-90s sized heavyweights then just watch light heavyweight even cruiserweights are on average, quite a bit bigger than old school heavyweights no matter how many times this is repeated people still wonder in amazement at how heavyweights "back in the day" were so fast - weighing 190 lbs on the night of the fight probably had something to do with it And in truth, the 180-190 lb heavyweights were really NOT fast. The term "lumbering Heavyweights didn't come from nowhere, and it's been around since before I was born. It was a matter of STYLE, also mind set, and athleticism. If you go back to look at the very early boxing matches, many of which are on Youtube, you'll see many with what we call "modern" techniques. They may have been an exception, but there were more than a few of them. If you look at some of jack Johnson's fights (I think the top heavyweight lies between Johnson and Tyson) you'll see that everything that Ali could do that people made so much about, Johnson could do as well, maybe better. He used to toy with his opposition, often accidentally KDing, but then holding the guy up in a clinch until he'd recovered. The thing then was NO SHORT FIGHTS. The fans DEMANDED VALUE FOR MONEY. So the top fighters, blacks particularly, made the fights last much longer than they could have, so that the fans went home satisfied and would come again. Black fighters could only make a living that way. I've heard Sugar Ray Robinson, Rocky Graziano, Gene Fullmer, Jake Lamotta etc. who iused to be on a boxing show, sitting around talking boxing and old fights, I heard Robinson say.... "I often used to have to fight 20 rounds, 10 for him, and 10 for me...." And the other guys ALL heartily agreed and quoted instances of their own. This was perobably sometime in the early 70's. It was a COMMON practice.

There has never been big guys with the athleticism of Lewis and the Klitschko's before. The only person you can truely say was only effective because of their size is Valuev. Primo Carnera was about 6'6" and pretty nimble of his feet as well as his films show. He actually had a reasonably successful career, as far as fighting goes, but was swindled of every penny by his managers and "pals". He made a good living for a while after the war as a wrestler. he also appeared in a few movies, often in a leopardskin rigout. I have pre-War "Mighty Joe Young" movie, where he is a "strongman". I seem to recall that he fought a guy called Luigi Musina after the war. I saw Musina fight somewhere, but just can't remember where or against whom. I may have been on a trip to the same city.

It was only a matter of time. Lennox had to hear the same **** all through his time on top.

The TS might have a point, if you look at the last 3 men to dominate the HW have been huge guys with similar style of fighting Lennox, Vitali and Wlad men under 6,4 simply can only win by a flukey punch, on points they will always lose....i think something has to be done, the height advantage is a big factor, especially if these guys are using the jab to keep the small guy at a distance... I dont unerstand the height argument for being the reason they are champions. First of all neither Klitschko is undefeated so they can both obviously be beat, Wlad has even been knocked out in the past so they are not indestructible just good at what they do, its going to take a good fighter with a great game plan to knock them off. You can take a look at any division and find guys that tower over the competition but they are not always at the top of their division. If the height and even weight advantage was the deciding factor in the Klitschko fight how did Haye manage to beat Valuev who is taller and outweighed him even more than Klitschko. Valuev is much bigger but doesnt come close to having the skills of a klitschko. Whether you find it exciting or boring to watch Wlad fight, his skill won that fight not just his size.

Huge fighters have existed in the HW division for a century, they just usually aren't very good. There is a point where size becomes a hindrance when fighting a smaller, faster, more agile and talented fighter. And we have too many divisions and far too many belts as it is.

Please go away. Joe Louis Ko'd bigger stronger guys then either Klit. Joe Louis would KO Klitschko.

Yep another weight division is exactly what boxing needs. Also we need more titles. One day I hope all fights will be a title fight.

There has never been big guys with the athleticism of Lewis and the Klitschko's before. The only person you can truely say was only effective because of their size is Valuev. but times are changing the big guys are upping there game and the little guys are finding it hard to deal with it if another tall guys comes along and dominates, then i think they need to just do the super heavyweight thing because watching a tall guy dominate with a jab for another 10 years will be boring as hell

The TS might have a point, if you look at the last 3 men to dominate the HW have been huge guys with similar style of fighting Lennox, Vitali and Wlad men under 6,4 simply can only win by a flukey punch, on points they will always lose....i think something has to be done, the height advantage is a big factor, especially if these guys are using the jab to keep the small guy at a distance... There has never been big guys with the athleticism of Lewis and the Klitschko's before. The only person you can truely say was only effective because of their size is Valuev.

Valuev would never get a fight if they added another division

Yeah he was normal sized wasn't he? Idiot! I really hate when people say the Klits only dominate because of their size. There has always been giant heavyweights, difference is the Klitschko's actually have balance, speed and mobility. The TS might have a point, if you look at the last 3 men to dominate the HW have been huge guys with similar style of fighting Lennox, Vitali and Wlad men under 6,4 simply can only win by a flukey punch, on points they will always lose....i think something has to be done, the height advantage is a big factor, especially if these guys are using the jab to keep the small guy at a distance...

I like to watch Klitschko fights. But I think there aren't many heavyweights to beat them. To be honest if Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko and Nicolai Valuev all belong in a bigger division. Chris Arreola would likely be on top. He has a good chin, packs a punch and is now very dedicated to boxing. I think he has a chance at beating Haye. I miss when normal sized, beatable heavyweights dominated like Evander Holyfield, George Foreman or Lennox Lewis dominated. I think Chris Arreola and David Haye would have left things "Normal". Remember, The Klitschkos' didn't ruin the heavyweight divison. They changed it.:boxing: Yeah he was normal sized wasn't he? Idiot! I really hate when people say the Klits only dominate because of their size. There has always been giant heavyweights, difference is the Klitschko's actually have balance, speed and mobility.