I'm going to play devil's advocate and suggest that there is a way that Haye can still rise to the top of the world.
Vitali is getting old and is probably soon ripe for the pickens, so to speak. Vitali is now showing interest in a Haye bout and says that he's interested in "knocking Haye out".
There's talk of making this fight for early 2012. Vitali turns 40 years old in 3 weeks. He will be going on 41 next year. He will have slowed down enough where the prime Haye can perhaps take him out.
And when he does you know full well Wladimir will jump to his brother's aid like his brother did to him so many moons ago and this will setup the ultimate showdown rematch, the new and improved David Haye versus Wladimir Klitschko, the Avenging match of 2012.
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well get his ass to the US of A.
fight arreola/chambers/povetkin.
win big,get the US back to excitment,regardless of his loss to wlad.
Take any contact for vitali,the mans rich now,you can do that surely!.
vitali is tough still,but that is also his downfall,wlad was safe and cautious,haye had little to counter,vitali will open up more,and get countered more,also vitali is slower,moves slower,defends less well apart from leaning,haye showed he can lunge and land on valuev,he can land on vitali.
haye just needs to deal with injuries and pull through,its a habbit now,hes injury prone.
haye needs to jab,throw combinations,straight sharp ones like solis did,body work vitali and move around him to tire him out.
haye needs to risk a bit,vitali is less powerful than wlad and haye took wlads punches ok didnt he? !
haye does need the fight not in germany,have it in the US or elsewhere in europe.
Haye tried to counter all night but Wlad fought cagey and didn't give him much to counter as he only threw a quick jab most of the time. Vitali will be coming onto Haye strongly and if Vitali has lost a lot of speed this should give Haye the perfect/ample opportunity to counter and KTFO him.
Forget that 'chin' b.s. about the brothers, truth is old Vitali is tailor made for Haye!
Vitali has no defense, he relied on his inhuman reflexes but as he gets old he will be similar to guys like Roy Jones and not guys like Hopkins who has solid fundamentals. I feel like if Vitali is slow (we'll find out soon during the Adamek fight) he will be a bullseye for Haye's counters and will get KTFO!
Chin b.s? You've gotta be kidding, it's impossible not to take his freakin chin into consideration, the guy has an incredible chin and has taken some of the hardest shots I've ever seen. Yeah, he has no defence because he doesn't need it, he can walk through his opponent punches!
This fight will be extra important for Vitali because there are vestiges of the Lewis fight for him. It's another top Brit legend retiring or trying to sneak away into retirement and Vitali has flashbacks of how he never got to avenge their family for the Lewis fiasco. So now Vitali will want to finally set it right and not let Haye sneak away into retirement without one final very declarative statement, a brutal KTFO of Haye. I think Vitali wants it very badly and that's what will make it exciting because an old Vitali will risk everything to get it and it will result in either a comical swarming Kayo like the one against Williams or a brutal counter-KO by Haye of old Vitali.
Even more the reason why Haye will accept the challenge, he can either fight Vitali or be a laughing stock for the rest of his life
However he will need a great tune up fight before he steps in the ring against someone good
Haye has a chance against a old Vitali, i agree, but at the same time he will need to go in with a better gameplan than he did with Wlad
Haye tried to counter all night but Wlad fought cagey and didn't give him much to counter as he only threw a quick jab most of the time. Vitali will be coming onto Haye strongly and if Vitali has lost a lot of speed this should give Haye the perfect/ample opportunity to counter and KTFO him.
Forget that 'chin' b.s. about the brothers, truth is old Vitali is tailor made for Haye!
Vitali has no defense, he relied on his inhuman reflexes but as he gets old he will be similar to guys like Roy Jones and not guys like Hopkins who has solid fundamentals. I feel like if Vitali is slow (we'll find out soon during the Adamek fight) he will be a bullseye for Haye's counters and will get KTFO!
If the money is good Haye will fight. If its shiz, he wont.
The money will not be as good, also he will not get 50/50
however the thought of a possible Wlad rematch and to restore his reputation will be enough of a initiative
this guy wants to make a career outside of boxing, which is all in jeopardy now, the british media/world media will not want to deal with him until he restores some of his pride, even if it means losing against Vitali, as long as he is humble this time around
Not ready to give up on Haye. In boxing maybe more than any other sport, people love a comeback story. He will have to get in there with another contender who's name boxing fans know, can't be a no-namer. this year or the beginning of next and then work on the Vitali fight.
or Vitali will rip his shoulder again swinging for the fences against a cagey coward. Either way though prime Vitali would annihilate Haye faster and easier than he did Danny Williams, but we're talking a 41 year old Vitali here. Have you seen his recent fights? He hasn't been looking that great and got taken the distance by both Kevin Johnson and the laughable Shannon Briggs in his last few fights (albeit that "distance" consisted of 120-108 scores type utter dominations)
Even more the reason why Haye will accept the challenge, he can either fight Vitali or be a laughing stock for the rest of his life
However he will need a great tune up fight before he steps in the ring against someone good
Haye has a chance against a old Vitali, i agree, but at the same time he will need to go in with a better gameplan than he did with Wlad
This fight against Haye would be Vitalis last fight and it'd be personal, so he wouldnt need much motivation
I agree Vitali would really want to knock him out badly and if he did so, it would be the perfect cap to his career, once again cleaning up Wlad's dirty dishes so to speak. If Vitali can KTFO Haye he should retire and call it a good career.
Haye will only fight Vitali if there is a promise of a rematch with Wlad, which there will be
The fight will happen Klits manager made it clear last night that Vitali is interested and wants to fight Haye
If Haye had got knocked out last night there would be no fight, the mere fact no big punches landed on him has pissed Vitali off, he was not statisfied with the outcome, he wanted to see Wlad make Hay pay for all the **** talking.
Vitali took all that talk personally and still wants to punish Haye,s o the fight will happen
Haye has more chance of landing punches on Vitali, but at the same time there is also more chance of him gettin knocked out.
Either way it will be a 100 times better fight than Wlad vs Haye
or Vitali will rip his shoulder again swinging for the fences against a cagey coward. Either way though prime Vitali would annihilate Haye faster and easier than he did Danny Williams, but we're talking a 41 year old Vitali here. Have you seen his recent fights? He hasn't been looking that great and got taken the distance by both Kevin Johnson and the laughable Shannon Briggs in his last few fights (albeit that "distance" consisted of 120-108 scores type utter dominations)
There's no way Haye could KO Vitali, he has an iron chin... He could be 50 years old with no mobility at all and still Haye wouldn't take him out.
Valuev had an iron chin too and Haye shook him up pretty bad on way to a draw, I mean majority decision :lol1:
I think Haye has a chance to KO 41 year old Vitali. Don't get me wrong, Vitali probably still has a far higher chance to KTFO Haye but I think it's possible. Vit hasn't been lookin that great in recent outings.
And plus who says Haye has to KO him. If he decisions him it still sets up an Avenge match in 2012 with Wladimir and if Haye manages to win that spectacticaliously (as Roy Jone's would say) then he's back on top of the world and on ATG lists of Brit nuthuggers.
Haye will only fight Vitali if there is a promise of a rematch with Wlad, which there will be
The fight will happen Klits manager made it clear last night that Vitali is interested and wants to fight Haye
If Haye had got knocked out last night there would be no fight, the mere fact no big punches landed on him has pissed Vitali off, he was not statisfied with the outcome, he wanted to see Wlad make Hay pay for all the **** talking.
Vitali took all that talk personally and still wants to punish Haye,s o the fight will happen
Haye has more chance of landing punches on Vitali, but at the same time there is also more chance of him gettin knocked out.
Either way it will be a 100 times better fight than Wlad vs Haye