David Haye vs Muhammad Ali vs Wladimir Klitschko

Your crazy bro, Ali whooped Foreman who is far more of a puncher than both Klits and Haye combined, he took shots from him no problem out smarted him and still continued fighting with excellence. Ali had enough mental toughness than all 3 combined as well as he was one of the fastest heavies of all time so come on red k to you for being retarded Ali took virtually no clean shots from Foreman. Henry Cooper floored Ali with a single left hook because it was flush and Cooper isn't regarded as a heavy hitter. If Foreman landed his hardest punch on Ali cleanly Ali would have been asleep. 99% of his shots in that fight were arm punches which wouldn't have swatted a fly.

Ali would beat the breaks off both of these bums!!!

oh my god, this thread is pure retard. No, it isn't. It shows me EXACTLY what I suspected to be true: Of 20 people (so far) who think that Wlad will lose against Haye, 19 think that he would lose against Clay/Ali, too.

oh my god, this thread is pure retard.

"Ali, come take a look at this poll." Especially AFTER Klitschko beats Haye.

rofl, what kind of a question is this. Ali will probably win against Wlad (very likely) tho i could see the size difference being a small problem. Ali rapes Haye Wlad will easily KO haye in a few days. Ali is top3 hw of all time. Wlad is top15 hw of all time. Haye is top500 (at best) hw of all time.

he had some of the fastest hands with alot of pop look up the flash knockdowns of Liston if that wasnt pop I dont know what is. Spare us lies to hide the abysmal KOperformance of Clay. There were no flash knockdowns of Liston. if that wasnt pop I dont know what is. And most of fans didn't know, too. Even Ali didn't. It's the most contested KO in the history of boxing. The referee didn't even start to count and Clay (as the disgusting person he is) refused to go to his corner. Never ever mention Clay-Liston as a proof of Ali's pop again. Ali had stamina, but no pop. He is most probably the most featherfisted heavyweight champ ("like a butterfly") in history (only bottomed by Tony LaRosa!!!) and was only champ because the division in the 1970s was such a p*ss (that's why it's still called "golden age" to this very day).

Your crazy bro, Ali whooped Foreman who is far more of a puncher than both Klits and Haye combined Wladimir Klitschko is SEVERAL punch classes above Foreman. And Ali won mainly because the ropes were manipulated by his trainer (as Dundee himself admitted) AND because Foreman was probably poisoned (as Ali's co-trainer Brown claimed). The whole fight is a HUGE question mark. Ali had enough mental toughness than all 3 combined as well as he was one of the fastest heavies of all time so come on red k to you for being retarded Don't invent nonsense. Clay was a fast cruiser. Ali was a slow heavyweight. And one of the most featherfisted of all time. Nearly all of Ali's heavyweight KOs are in round 13+ or contested. People should stop being such AliFants (Ali fantasizers). Such a featherfist like Ali would lose against half of Klitschko's opponents, let alone the Klitschko's themselves.

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/U1554765.jpg?size=67&uid=3474a168-d3eb-4151-9cc2-5d8d51a1e217&uniqID=6dcd8569-8b83-4d0a-b3bb-c12fc10c2359 "Ali, come take a look at this poll."

Ali would thump either of these guys. Neither has shown the type of heart courage and skills to beat beat him. And make no mistake, you need all three of those attributes to beat him.

Ali had no pop. Stamina definitely. Pop? No way. He is one of the weakest (if not the weakest) heavyweight world champ of all time ("like a butterfly"). http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10180673#post10180673 he had some of the fastest hands with alot of pop look up the flash knockdowns of Liston if that wasnt pop I dont know what is.

I think Haye and Klitschko would beat Ali easily. Of course most people who talk boxing think Ali is immortal so I wouldnt expect anyone to agree with me. Ali is way too small to beat Klitschko and lacks the power needed to keep him at bay. There wasnt really anyone around at the time of Ali who was as big and athletic as Klitschko. Ali would have a better chance against Haye, but again lacks the power to put him away. Haye has a massive power advantage and a speed one. Yes a speed one. Ali could make fast combinations but Haye would beat him. Your crazy bro, Ali whooped Foreman who is far more of a puncher than both Klits and Haye combined, he took shots from him no problem out smarted him and still continued fighting with excellence. Ali had enough mental toughness than all 3 combined as well as he was one of the fastest heavies of all time so come on red k to you for being retarded

the rope a dope he formulated vs george is a classic strategy... And only worked against George Foreman because Ali's trainer manipulated the ropes before the fight, as he himself admitted.

the rope a dope he formulated vs george is a classic strategy... And only worked against George Foreman because Ali's trainer manipulated the ropes before the fight.

Haye only recently got his belt from Valuev, who ruled far longer than Haye and was far less athletic. You have no proof that chubby heavyweights are easier to beat than athletic heavyweights. Just look how easily Castillo, Herbie Hide and Sosnowski got controlled and beaten. And look what a good record fatty MuHAMmad has compiled. Or fat Larry Holmes. You got it the other way around: Nowadays those heavyweights (e.g. Patterson) wouldn't be allowed. Back then the heavyweight division consisted of cruisers and light heavyweights, no wonder they looked more athletic. Such a division still exists: It's called cruiserweight and light heavyweight. Compare cruiserweights to Ali. Just take a look at this pic and you'll know that former so called heavyweights would have no chance against even B-level modern heavyweights: http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6359/joelouisphoto01.th.jpg The only reason why people even dare to compare Louis to Klitschko or Clay/Ali to Klitschko is the misnomer "heavyweight". Additionally you miss an important point: SOVIET BLOC'ERS weren't allowed. Thus it's not only ridiculous to compare Ali to Klitschko but Ali's WORLD titles to Klitschko's world titles. Nowadays the world is twice as big and the boxing world is also twice as big thus a belt is worth at least 4x more than in Ali's times. Compare Ali's belts to something like the European title nowadays. That's sig worthy. :rofl:

ali is not small he 6-2 same height as haye ali had class great skills and stamania and a solid chin and had decent pop ali beats haye and klit easily agreed............... ali the goat posses not only great boxing skills but also very strong character and fighting spirit; in addition to his high intelligence and acumen for the sports.. the rope a dope he formulated vs george is a classic strategy...

Yes. The heavyweight division has become a refuge for those who are more physically suited for sumo wrestling than boxing. Funny how the only guys that are in shape in the division, are the only guys that hold titles. Haye only recently got his belt from Valuev, who ruled far longer than Haye and was far less athletic. You have no proof that chubby heavyweights are easier to beat than athletic heavyweights. Just look how easily Castillo, Herbie Hide and Sosnowski got controlled and beaten. And look what a good record fatty MuHAMmad has compiled. Or fat Larry Holmes. You do realize that guys the size of the Klit's weren't excluded from competing in the heavyweight division back in those days? You got it the other way around: Nowadays those heavyweights (e.g. Patterson) wouldn't be allowed. Back then the heavyweight division consisted of cruisers and light heavyweights, no wonder they looked more athletic. Such a division still exists: It's called cruiserweight and light heavyweight. Compare cruiserweights to Ali. There were big guys around, but rarely did they dominate compared to smaller light-heavy/cruiserweight sized guys like Ali, Joe Louis etc. Just take a look at this pic and you'll know that former so called heavyweights would have no chance against even B-level modern heavyweights: http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6359/joelouisphoto01.th.jpg The only reason why people even dare to compare Louis to Klitschko or Clay/Ali to Klitschko is the misnomer "heavyweight". Additionally you miss an important point: SOVIET BLOC'ERS weren't allowed. Thus it's not only ridiculous to compare Ali to Klitschko but Ali's WORLD titles to Klitschko's world titles. Nowadays the world is twice as big and the boxing world is also twice as big thus a belt is worth at least 4x more than in Ali's times. Compare Ali's belts to something like the European title nowadays.

Wladimir may beat Haye, but wont beat Ali, Ali out points Wladimir easy; too much speed + great foot speed+ reflexes= Wladimir's nightmare.

This is the reason i'm glad i'm not a boxer. Comparing Ali to Haye or Klitschko is just plain stupid.They fought in two different eras. The funny part is, not even close in eras. I'd rather you say Mike Tyson or a 90's Lewis, Holyfield. The list goes on and on. How can we as a human race not evolve? Of course, we are going to get better with natural talents. Thats just like that Kobe, Lebron is better than Jordan crap. Ali fought on black and white stations, while Wlad and Haye are fighting on Hdtv. Times change man!!!

Ali is way too small to beat Klitschko and lacks the power needed to keep him at bay. There wasnt really anyone around at the time of Ali who was as big and athletic as Klitschko. Prime George Foreman (whom they called Big George Foreman) would be the bottom #3 lightest opponent of Vitali Klitschko. The division changed massively. Nowadays Light Heavyweights are what has been called "heavyweight" back then.