Why is Ward so overrated?

Entertainment has ZERO to do with determining who is a good fighter and who isn't. That's what is being discussed. Anyone who determines who is a good fighter and who is better between two fighters with entertainment being a factor at all is a moron. I'm sorry. I didn't realise we are living in some kind of deterministic boxing universe where subjectivity and personal taste have no place. I'll just sit here with my "moron" hat on and allow you to be the dictatorial arbiter of greatness. Have fun.

I like Ward. I think he's an excellent technical fighter with a wide array of skills. He has won decisively and deserves his spot in the Super Six final. But ... we cannot discount entertainment as an important factor. Absolutely, the sport is about hitting and not being hit. Ward embraces this maxim fully and we should commend his success. But does this alone constitute entertainment? I'm of two minds on this issue. Whilst I love to watch someone like Floyd Mayweather execute a boxing masterclass - there's another part of me that just wants to see him get involved in a tear up. This is why I appreciate Froch. He lacks Ward's natural talent (whilst being no one's mug) but he more than makes up for it with guts, bravado and balls-to-the-wall entertainment. I think it's great that these two are in the final. Ward will start as the clear favourite. But Froch will do everything in his power to try and carve out some kind of angle. And Ward will need to be at the top of his game for the full twelve rounds because his opponent will not hesitate to take an opportunity right up to the final bell. Entertainment has ZERO to do with determining who is a good fighter and who isn't. That's what is being discussed. Anyone who determines who is a good fighter and who is better between two fighters with entertainment being a factor at all is a moron.

Hes very defensive ..but he didnt buy his wins. Cant say he's overrated without discrediting his opponents.

I like Ward. I think he's an excellent technical fighter with a wide array of skills. He has won decisively and deserves his spot in the Super Six final. But ... we cannot discount entertainment as an important factor. Absolutely, the sport is about hitting and not being hit. Ward embraces this maxim fully and we should commend his success. But does this alone constitute entertainment? I'm of two minds on this issue. Whilst I love to watch someone like Floyd Mayweather execute a boxing masterclass - there's another part of me that just wants to see him get involved in a tear up. This is why I appreciate Froch. He lacks Ward's natural talent (whilst being no one's mug) but he more than makes up for it with guts, bravado and balls-to-the-wall entertainment. I think it's great that these two are in the final. Ward will start as the clear favourite. But Froch will do everything in his power to try and carve out some kind of angle. And Ward will need to be at the top of his game for the full twelve rounds because his opponent will not hesitate to take an opportunity right up to the final bell.

Ward is overrated because he doesn't get Knock Outs? This Thread really make no sense and I think it is strange and funny that you have to mention OVER AND OVER that your "AMERICAN" and "He Is Overrated Because He Is American" "I Don't Care That He Is American" if it doesn't matter then why did you mention it so many times...hmmm :no: So we should over look the fact that he has pretty much dominated every fight he has been in for that Super 6 and just focus on the fact that he choose to be a SMART FIGHTER and not just depend on his POWER...Froch is a guy known for his Power and he hasn't KO'd anybody so far in this Tournament, how far did Abraham get with "POWER" other then Knocking Jermaine Taylor out, ever since then he has been OUTCLASSED in every fight he was in during this Tournament It is more to boxing then just POWER, a lot of you clearly don't understand that, you think boxing is just two guys standing and throwing wild punches until someone go down (GO WATCH THE UFC THEN IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT!)...some people have NO APPRECIATION or UNDERSTAND of the other ASPECTS of BOXING that is why so many of them B!TCH AND COMPLAIN about certain Boxing Styles it also takes two people to put on a good fight by the way, it is not Ward's fault that his opponents SKILLS are not up to par, so when he fights it is basically just him SCHOOLING HIS OPPONENT IN A ONE SIDED MATCH...OF COURSE THAT IS GOING TO BORING!!! But it is not Ward job to LET ABRAHAM HIT HIM So fans can be ENTERTAINED, if Abraham is too slow to Land Clean on Ward then that is HIS FAULT...NOT WARD! Bottom Line Ward is a TECHNICALLY SOUND YOUNG FIGHTER and is probably already one of the most complete fighters in Boxing Today...he don't need to change NOTHING he is doing...JUST KEEP WINNING! He is already one of the best P4P, already at the top of his division and he is just getting started!

ward is all about skills and be smart in the ring, after floyd to me ward is the best technical boxer right now then JMM if you love KO's so much MMA is for you...

I don't think he's overrated at all. i think people talk **** on him cuz most of his fights don't have kos but he puts a clinic on everyone he faces. he has boxing smarts and see him boxing till hes 40. he really is class above most. Andre Ward has fundamentals and can adapt his fighting style very well. we saw that not only can he box but he can brawl and fight dirty as seen from his fight with bika

he's not overrated at all, the dude has some great skills. he may not be a KO Artist but he knows what he's doing in the ring , he's been super impressive in the super 6 .

Ward hasn't lost since 1998, as an amateur or a pro. That's 13 years Regardless of whether one likes his style or not (or his skin color or his nationality) the man deserves his respect.

I rate Ward, and think he's gonna beat Froch when they meet, but as yet I don't think he has done enough to warrant being included in pound 4 pound top 10 lists. It's got nothing to do with the "boring" nature of his fights, he just hasn't done enough yet. His win over Kessler for the title was a great scalp, but it wasn't enough to get him p-4-p props. Since then he's defended the belt 3 times against Allan Green (massively overrated), Sakio Bika (solid but not amongst the boxing elite) and Arthur Abraham (out of his depth in the Super 6.) While this is a very good resume for a Super-Middleweight champ, it's is not a stand-out pound-for-pound top 10 resume. If he beats Froch he'll have won a strong Super 6 tourney, will have added another title belt and be able to confidently claim he's the best in his division (he's still neck and neck with Froch at the mo for me) and so then, but only then, could he claim to be a ligit top p-4-p boxer.

There are good reasons Ward doesn't have a lot of KOs. First, he doesn't fight bums, he fights the best. Second, he doesn't take big risks, he fights to win.

His fights are boring as hell This is an opinion that not everyone shares. For example, I think that his fights are fun to watch. They aren't Manny Pacquiao affairs, but he's well-trained and uses his strengths to his advantage. Nothing wrong with that. He Leaps when he punches and barley ever gets KOs ( Unlike Froch or Bute ) 1 KO in his last 7 fights and 1 stoppage. And? Willie Pepp had a 26% KO ratio. What does that prove? This is boxing, not knockouts. While it's exciting, it's not needed. He still thoroughly beats his opponents and in truth, I'd rather it be that way if I had to choose. If I'm ranking fighters, I rank the guy higher who dominates a fight and wins on points than a guy who wins by more knockouts but has closer fights because of it. He never fought Froch or Bute but Ward is automatic top 10 P4p! And Froch has never faced Bute or Ward and Bute has never faced Ward or Froch. Once again, what does that prove? I don't care what fashion it took place in or if you liked the performance, but Ward beat Kessler, and Froch didn't. Kessler might be fighting Bute. AFTER Ward beat him. Ward has a quality resume. I don't care if he is American, British, Canadian, German, Brazilian, Spanish, Italian, French..... well you get the point but I think he is overrated because he is American. I am American. But I wont overrate an American fighter. I hate Super middleweight P4P lists. Until Froch vs Ward. Don't rate either one. Then this is a pointless thread. If you're saying we shouldn't rate them, then why are you complaining about the rating? Obviously, you haven't made your mind up then. So what's the difference? He's not overrated because he's American. You can check the p4p list, there are only 3 Americans. None in the top 5. When it comes to Super Middleweight rankings, Andre Ward is the only American in the rankings. And he's beaten 3 of the other 9 guys in the division. More than Froch or Bute. As many as both of them, combined. Ward has Bika, Abraham and Kessler. Froch has Abraham and Johnson. Bute has Bika. That's not including currently unranked fighters that any of these three have faced. By the way, here's a trivia question: How many of those wins that Froch and Bute have in those three fights were stoppage victories? ANSWER: 0

His fights are boring as hell He Leaps when he punches and barley ever gets KOs ( Unlike Froch or Bute ) 1 KO in his last 7 fights and 1 stoppage. He never fought Froch or Bute but Ward is automatic top 10 P4p! I don't care if he is American, British, Canadian, German, Brazilian, Spanish, Italian, French..... well you get the point but I think he is overrated because he is American. I am American. But I wont overrate an American fighter. I hate Super middleweight P4P lists. Until Froch vs Ward. Don't rate either one. Just because a few of the hard core boxing fans know him and speak highly of him, doesn't mean he's overrated. Outside of us, who the fukk even knows who Andrea Ward is? No one. He's a nobody. He's not overrated at all. Just like kirkland was not overrated. no hype on either of these fighters. Call Mayweather or Pac overrated because that is more likely the case.

We will see how overrated he is when he beats the breaks off Froch!!!! :boxing:

Its funny, in earlier times in the sport, fans had an appreciation for guys who didint knock everyone out all the time. I know since dec 2008, a fighters achievements are basically what round you knocked out a said fighter for some fans, but for people who actually watch the sport, going through the super 6 tourney which has featured nothing but solid fighters would say otherwise. Seeing the TS avatar you can pretty much guess where his feelings are when it comes to the sport, id pay him no mind.

How is Ward overrated he has won fights where people thought he would lose and has never really looked like losing any of his fights in one of the toughest divisions in boxing. Guess if you don't KO everybody you don't deserve to be on the P2P according to whoever started this thread.

He's not overrated, He has beaten the tornument favourite, getting into the final being a huge underdog before hand. Beating Arthur Abraham on the way which is a solid win.

I don't think he is,I believe he is rated were he should be until/if Froch beats him..

so the criteria to be Pound 4 Pound is that you must be exciting and score lots of KO's?? I love boxingscene science I hear that alot on here. Seems to only come from proven retards, though.

Ward is not overrated, he gets a lot of **** on these forums. Before the Super 6 i watched all 6 fighters last few fights, i took one look at Ward and knew he would beat Kessler and go on to win the tournament and i still stand by that. It was clear as day to me that he had all the tools to do it. He is a class above most in the division and just because he doesn't get KO's doesn't mean he's boring. Loads of people on here were stupid and picked Kessler to beat him when they hadn't done their research, they were just going off their current reputation.