Pacquiao is one of the greatest ofall time - - Evander Holyfield

Pacquiao ATG Top 25Mayweather ATG top 40 I would say Pac is above Duran so Pac is higher up there i would say.

P4P CHAMPION FLOYD (MONEY) MAYWEATHER!!!! 1996 Nov. 30 -- Reggie Sanders, Albuquerque, New Mexico, W 4 Oct. 11 -- Roberto Apodaca, Las Vegas, KO 2 1997 Nov. 20 -- Angelo Nunez, Los Angeles, TKO 3 Oct. 14 -- Felipe Garcia, Boise, Idaho, KO 6 Sept. 6 -- Luis Leija, El Paso, Texas, KO 2 July 12 -- Jesus Chavez, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5 June 14 -- Larry O'Shields, San Antonio, Texas, W 6 May 9 -- Tony Duran, Las Vegas, TKO 1 Apr. 12 -- Robert Giepert, Las Vegas, TKO 1 Mar. 12 -- Kino Rodriguez, Grand Rapids, TKO 1 Feb. 1 -- Edgar Ayala, Chula Vista, California, KO 2 Jan. 18 -- Jerry Cooper, Las Vegas, TKO 1 1998 Dec. 19 -- Angel Manfredy, Miami, TKO 2 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) Oct. 3 -- Genaro Hernandez, Las Vegas, TKO 8 (Captured WBC super featherweight title) June 14 -- Tony Pep, Atlantic City, W 10 Apr. 18 -- Gustavo Cuello, Los Angeles, W 10 Mar. 23 -- Miguel Melo, Ledyard, Connecticut, TKO 3 Feb. 28 -- Sam Girad, Atlantic City, KO 2 Jan. 9 -- Hector Arroyo, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5 1999 Sept. 11 -- Carlos Gerena, Las Vegas, TKO 7 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) May 22 -- Justin Juuko, Las Vegas, KO 9 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) Feb. 17 -- Carlos Rios, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12 *RECAP* (Retained WBC super featherweight title) 2000 Oct. 21 -- Emanuel Burton, Detroit, Michigan, TKO 9 Mar. 18 -- Goyo Vargas, Las Vegas, W 12 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) 2001 Nov. 10 -- Jesus Chavez, San Francisco, California, TKO 10 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) May 26 -- Carlos Hernandez, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) Jan. 20 -- undefeated and ranked #2 on the P4P list on a winning streak, one of the best and most feared in the division Diego Corrales, Las Vegas, TKO 10 (Retained WBC super featherweight title) 2002 Dec. 7 -- on a winning streak, one of the best and most feared in the division Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12 (Retained WBC lightweight title) Apr. 20 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12 (Won WBC lightweight title) 2003 Nov. 1 -- Phillip N'Dou, Grand Rapids, Michigan, TKO 7 *RECAP* (Retained WBC lightweight title) Apr. 19 -- Victoriano Sosa, Fresno, CA, W 12 (Retained WBC lightweight title) 2004 May 22 -- DeMarcus Corley, Atlantic City, NJ, W 12 *RECAP* 2005 Nov. 19 -- Sharmba Mitchell, Portland, OR, TKO 6 *RECAP* June 25 -- Arturo Gatti, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO 6 *RECAP* (Won WBC Light Welterweight Title) Jan. 22 -- Henry Bruseles, Miami, FL, TKO 8 *RECAP* 2006 Nov. 4 --coming of a UD WIN by defeating a prime Zab judah, Carlos Baldomir, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP* (Won WBC Welterweight Title) Apr. 8 -- Had three straight TKO victories before losing to baldmir due to playing around. Zab Judah, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP* (Won IBF Welterweight Title) 2007 Dec. 8 -- undefeated and ranked #4 on the P4P LIST on the Ricky Hatton, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 10 *RECAP* (Retained WBC Welterweight Title) May 5 -- A strong 165 pounds on fight night, not weight drained. Oscar De La Hoya, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP* (Won WBC Jr. Middleweight Title) 2008 *INACTIVE 2009 Sept. 19 -- Winning streak and the last man to beat Pacman twice,Juan Manuel Marquez, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *ROUND-BY-ROUND RECAP* 2010 May 1 -- Coming off most impressive victory by knocking out Margarita, Shane Mosley, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0911/boxing.megafight.in.waiting.pacquiao.mayweather/images/floyd-mayweather-jose-luis.jpg http://a.espncdn.com/media/boxing/2005/1006/photo/mayweather_corrales_275.jpg http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef0133ed152335970b-320pi http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/607/607103/-cancelled--20070730092649482.jpg

pac is great man do i have to agree with everything he does to make u happy? mosley KOed marg cotto knocked down clottey marg destroyed cotto also mayweather koed hatton (which had never happend) is this what ur looking 4??? i dont get ur question look man pac is an ATG okay hes a great fighter but i feel as if hes a little overrated when u actually look at what hes been doing lately Blasphemy!!!!!!!!! A thought out opinion about Manny is not allowed!

pac is his own man, nobody beat them like he did just like he didnt beat them like others did, his style is tailor made to destroy guys like marg, hatton, cotto... good job pac!!!!!!! im not saying he didnt destroy those guys.... now do u want to go into WHEN he beat them and the circumstances? how convenient to use the 'tailor made excuse'. but hearing that just make pac even greater because it implies that in all the 30-40 fights each of cotto/hatton/hoya/clottey/marg, you're saying not one of them has faced a fighter like pac. good job :biggthump and i was already referring to WHEN HE BEAT THEM, so again, name any 135 or 140lber who beat these guys the way pac did, WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM.

this thing is subjective. but if a lot of famous boxers themselves say the same thing, then pac must be one of the greatest. i for one would rather hear people say it than me saying it. i'm just saying that pactards need to tone this down. it's so obvious already. just let others say it. :boxing:

pacs greatness is sealed, it was sealed at 135, but from there on its just a menstral show ran by bob arum. hes doing what he does tho but its played out now... name any 135 or 140lber at that time who would beat the crap out of odlh, hatton, cotto, clottey, margarito, THE WAY PAC DID. try even any 147.

in Flomos criteria Pac has to beat Ward, Hopkins , and Wlad to be at top 50 at best ATG

THE PACMANS LEGENDARY RECORD, LOL Who in the hell is 90% of these guys, two of them ko'ed THE PACMAN!His record is funny as hell. Only Marquez,Eric Marrales, and Barrera are the only ones worth mentioning on his record, every body else were coming off losses, on the down side of there career. 1995 01-22 -- Edmund Enting Ignacio, Mindoro Occidental, Philippines, W 4 03-18 -- Pinoy Montejo, Mindoro Occidental, Philippines, W 4 05-01 -- Rocky Palma, Cavite, Philippines, W 6 07-01 -- Dele Decierto, Mandaluyong, Philippines, TKO 2 08-03 -- Flash Simbajon, Mandaluyong, Philippines, W 6 09-16 -- Arman Rocil, Mandaluyong, Philippines, KO 3 10-07 -- Lolito Laroa, Makati, Philippines, W 8 10-21 -- Renato Mendones, Puerto Princesa, Philippines, TKO 2 11-11 -- Rodulfo Fernandez, Mandaluyong, Philippines, TKO 3 12-09 -- Rolando Tuyugon, Manila, Philippines, W 10 1996 01-13 -- Lito Torrejos, Paranaque City, Philippines, TKO 5 02-09 -- Rustico Torrecampo, Mandaluyong, Philippines, KO by 3 04-27 -- Marlon Carillo, Manila, Philippines, W 10 05-20 -- Jun Medina, Manila, Philippines, TKO 4 06-15 -- Bert Batiller, General Santos City, Philippines, TKO 4 07-27 -- Ippo Gala, Mandaluyong, Philippines, TKO 2 12-28 -- Sung-Yul Lee, Muntinlupa, Philippines, TKO 2 03-08 -- Michael Luna, Muntinlupa, Philippines, KO 1 04-24 -- Wook-Ki Lee, Makati, Philippines, KO 1 05-30 -- Ariel Austria, Almendras, Philippines, TKO 6 06-26 -- Chokchai Chockvivat, Mandaluyong, Philippines, KO 5 09-13 -- Melvin Magramo, Cebu, Philippines, W 10 12-06 -- Panomdej Or Yuthanakorn, South Cotabato, Philippines, KO 1 1998 05-18 -- Shin Terao, Tokyo, Japan, TKO 1 12-04 -- Chartchai Sasakul, Bangkok, Thailand, TKO 8 (Won WBC Flyweight Title) 1999 02-20 -- Todd Makelin, Kidapawan, Philippines, TKO 3 04-24 -- Gabriel Mira, Quezon City, Philippines, KO 4 (Retained WBC Flyweight Title) 09-17 -- Medgoen Singsurat, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Thailand, KO by 3 (Pacquiao failed to make weight, lost WBC Flyweight title) 12-18 -- Reynante Jamili, Manila, Philippines, TKO 2 2000 03-04 -- Arnel Barotillo, Manila, Philippines, KO 4 06-28 -- Seung-Kon Chae, Manila, Philippines, TKO 1 10-14 -- Nedal Hussein, Antipolo City, Philippines, TKO 10 2001 02-24 -- Tetsutora Senrima, Manila, Philippines, TKO 5 04-28 -- Wethya Sakmuangklang, Kidapawan City, Philippines, TKO 6 06-23 -- Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 6 (Won IBF Super Bantamweight Title) 11-10 -- Agapito Sánchez, San Francisco, CA, Tech Draw 6 (For WBO Super Bantamweight Title) (Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title) 2002 06-08 -- Jorge Eliecer Julio, Memphis, TN, TKO 2 (Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title) 10-26 -- Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym, Davao City, Philippines, KO 1 (Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title) 2003 03-15 -- Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov, Manila, Philippines, TKO 5 07-26 -- Emmanuel Lucero, Los Angeles, CA, TKO 3 (Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title) 11-15 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, San Antonio, TX, TKO 11 2004 05-08 -- Juan Manuel Marquez, Las Vegas, NV, D 12 (For WBC Featherweight Title) (For IBF Featherweight Title) 12-11 -- Fahsan (3K Battery) Por Thawatchai, Rizal, Philippines, TKO 4 2005 03-19 -- Erik Morales, Las Vegas, NV, L 12 *RECAP* 09-10 -- Hector Velazquez, Los Angeles, CA, TKO 6 2006 01-21 -- Erik Morales, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 10 *RECAP* 07-02 -- Oscar Larios, Manila, Philippines, W 12 11-18 -- Erik Morales, Las Vegas, NV, KO 3 *RECAP* 2007 04-14 -- Jorge Solis, San Antonio, TX, KO 8 *RECAP* 10-06 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP* 2008 03-15 -- Juan Manuel Marquez, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP* (Won WBC Super Featherweight Title) 06-28 -- David Diaz "WHO", Las Vegas, NV, TKO 9 *RECAP* (Won WBC Lightweight Title) 12-06 -- Recently beat up and coming off losing streak by Mayeather Oscar De La Hoya, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 8 *RECAP* 2009 05-02 -- coming off losing streak recently beat up and ko'ed by Mayweather Ricky Hatton, Las Vegas, NV, KO 2 *RECAP* 11-14 -- coming off losing streak recently beat up and ko'edby Margarita Miguel Cotto, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 12 *RECAP* (Won WBO Welterweight Title) 2010 03-13 -- flat footed, paid off and coming off losing streak by Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Arlington, TX, W 12 *RECAP* (Retained WBO Welterweight Title) 11-13 -- coming off losing streak recently beat up and ko'ed by Moesly Antonio Margarito, Arlington, TX, W 12 *RECAP* (Won Vacant WBC Light Middleweight Title) 2011 05-07 -- old coming off losing streak recently beat up and almost tko'ed by Mayweather,Shane Mosley, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP* (Retained WBO Welterweight Title)

That's the whole issue with the testing. If Pac takes the test and struggles with Floyd, let alone fails to win the fight, haters will assume he was roiding before this fight, not that Mayweather was the better boxer. The only way for Pac to truly win, is to take the tests and beat Floyd in an embarrassing fasion (which will not happen) But floyd is taking the tests too. Wont the tests have the same affect on him as they would Manny?

Isn't floyd a 1st ballot HOF too? Let me ask you this: If Manny and floyd do fight, and Manny takes random OST and loses to floyd, don't you think that changes how you evaluate him? Additionally, if he takes tests and wins, doesn't that also elevate him higher? If Manny had not used so many excuses when floyd requested testing this would be a non issue. He is a 1st ballot HOF no question. But "i'm afraid of needles" can't be accepted as a legitimate excuse, nether from his haters or his true fans. That's the whole issue with the testing. If Pac takes the test and struggles with Floyd, let alone fails to win the fight, haters will assume he was roiding before this fight, not that Mayweather was the better boxer. The only way for Pac to truly win, is to take the tests and beat Floyd in an embarrassing fasion (which will not happen)

pac never said he was afraid of needles. that was bob talking out of his ass. but whatever. Ryann that was manny. Bob never said that. No need to lie about it. pac is gonna be in the hall of fame whether or not he takes the non-sanctioned, unproven test that is being imposed by his opponent that no one else in boxing has to take. We agree but that isnt what I asked. If Manny takes test and erases all doubts and wins then he really elevates himself. Either way there is no legitimate reason for not agreeing to take the same tests as your opponent. Its equal. Its fair. And it erases any doubts.

Isn't floyd a 1st ballot HOF too? Let me ask you this: If Manny and floyd do fight, and Manny takes random OST and loses to floyd, don't you think that changes how you evaluate him? Additionally, if he takes tests and wins, doesn't that also elevate him higher? If Manny had not used so many excuses when floyd requested testing this would be a non issue. He is a 1st ballot HOF no question. But "i'm afraid of needles" can't be accepted as a legitimate excuse, nether from his haters or his true fans. lol... pac is gonna be in the hall of fame whether or not he takes the non-sanctioned, unproven test that is being imposed by his opponent that no one else in boxing has to take.

If he was AMerican, his "I'm afraid of needles" excuse for not taking tests would've ended his career. pac never said he was afraid of needles. that was bob talking out of his ass. but whatever.

So a test is preventing him from being one of the greatest of all time? Really? If Pac retires todayI would put him probaly in the top 25 fighters of all time. He doesn't really need Floyd. His resume and accomplishments put him as a first ballot hall of fame. Its Floyd that needs Manny. Think about it. I know that he's undeafeated but right now Manny has surpassed him. I give Floyd credit hes not dumb. I don't agree with his choice of his next opponent but it makes sense. He's going to beat Ortiz for the welterweight title in stunning fashion and then you will have two champions fighting to unify the welterweight title just like back in the 80's with Leonard and Hearns. This fight will be a big event. They will come to an agreement this time and its going to be 50-50 split. The fight will probaly go down in March or May 2012. Floyd can not wait any longer he is getting older and if or when both Manny and Floyd win there fight the buzz will be back for this fight and the world will want to see it. There is so much money to be made in this fight I'm pretty sure they will fight at least twice. I'm pretty sure that this fight can almost fill the Cowboys Stadium. Isn't floyd a 1st ballot HOF too? Let me ask you this: If Manny and floyd do fight, and Manny takes random OST and loses to floyd, don't you think that changes how you evaluate him? Additionally, if he takes tests and wins, doesn't that also elevate him higher? If Manny had not used so many excuses when floyd requested testing this would be a non issue. He is a 1st ballot HOF no question. But "i'm afraid of needles" can't be accepted as a legitimate excuse, nether from his haters or his true fans.

manny could be 1 of the goat if he takes the test to show that his clean. So a test is preventing him from being one of the greatest of all time? Really? If Pac retires todayI would put him probaly in the top 25 fighters of all time. He doesn't really need Floyd. His resume and accomplishments put him as a first ballot hall of fame. Its Floyd that needs Manny. Think about it. I know that he's undeafeated but right now Manny has surpassed him. I give Floyd credit hes not dumb. I don't agree with his choice of his next opponent but it makes sense. He's going to beat Ortiz for the welterweight title in stunning fashion and then you will have two champions fighting to unify the welterweight title just like back in the 80's with Leonard and Hearns. This fight will be a big event. They will come to an agreement this time and its going to be 50-50 split. The fight will probaly go down in March or May 2012. Floyd can not wait any longer he is getting older and if or when both Manny and Floyd win there fight the buzz will be back for this fight and the world will want to see it. There is so much money to be made in this fight I'm pretty sure they will fight at least twice. I'm pretty sure that this fight can almost fill the Cowboys Stadium.

If pac is an american he's already the GOAT of the GOAT. If he was AMerican, his "I'm afraid of needles" excuse for not taking tests would've ended his career.

dude top 5 period. If he was american yall would have him at #1. If pac is an american he's already the GOAT of the GOAT.

dude top 5 period. If he was american yall would have him at #1.

manny could be 1 of the goat if he takes the test to show that his clean. unfortunatelly, OBAMA and the NIKE BIG Boss does not think so... you? hmppp.. :spank:

There are 3 ATG that are fighting currently. Manny Pacquiao Bernard Hopkins Carl Froch Pac and BHop will be in the top 25 when its all said and done and Froch will be in the top 100 and possibly the greatest super middle of all time. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Those 3 are the only ATG's atill active are they? :lol1: