the reason i made this thread is cause some one posted about cotto destorying a prime zab. but i have news for the guys that think prime judah was when mayweather,cotto,clotty fought him.
judah had a early prime. when he was focused and never hand stamina problems who could throw 900 punches in a round and put better combinations together. the micky ward the fought judah back then would have stopped the judah of today.
heres a highlight of the ward vs judah fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuyTNF5RKJw&feature=related
who wins
Holy **** now now fight results can change in Fantasy rematches? WTF? Cotto beat the dog **** outta Judah. That was a prime Judah. Judah is and will always be overrated because of his flashiness. Oh well some fanboys just really know only one style.
As much as I would like to agree with you, it just wasn't. He had not won a fight in over two years going into the Cotto fight. It wasn't a prime Judah.
It's hard to say though. The best version of Judah I think would have beaten Cotto but 6 or 7 times out of 10 Judah would have lost. The Judah that beat Spinks would have beaten Cotto as would the guy who fought at 140.
I have to Disagree with PMP, judah never reached his true potential and by that I mean being strong of mind and body, to say he could have never been better is hate, a/d to say he was overrated, sure , but simply due to the fact he never took full advantage of his gifts and lacked discipline. Those two points can't be denied. It's simply can't. Now on top of the fact that he never reached his true potential, his father's coaching definitely limited Judah. he should have had a better coach from waaaay early on, that's a given.
^^^ yep.. i've always said his dad should've handed him over to a real boxing coach. A lot of people have some sort of animosity towards judah for some reason. They always make corny jokes about the tszyu kd. to discredit him. But he's probably one of the most talented fighters of this era... and some of these homo posters can't handle that because of the way he acts out of the ring.
Holy **** now now fight results can change in Fantasy rematches? WTF? Cotto beat the dog **** outta Judah. That was a prime Judah. Judah is and will always be overrated because of his flashiness. Oh well some fanboys just really know only one style.
You can say that about any fighter with a certain amount of athleticism and speed.There's more to boxing than just possessing a few physical gifts.And being mentally strong is not something that can be taught in a gym - you either have it or you don't.
I have to Disagree with PMP, judah never reached his true potential and by that I mean being strong of mind and body, to say he could have never been better is hate, a/d to say he was overrated, sure , but simply due to the fact he never took full advantage of his gifts and lacked discipline. Those two points can't be denied. It's simply can't. Now on top of the fact that he never reached his true potential, his father's coaching definitely limited Judah. he should have had a better coach from waaaay early on, that's a given.
Considering Cotto gave him a violent pasting in a thoroughly one-sided fight,why are we to believe that Judah would stand even a remote chance against Cotto at any point in his career? Unless you're truly deluded enough to believe that Judah was somehow shot and a mere shadow of what he had been in the past.
Truth is,Judah was always an overrated fighter.A good fighter,but never destined to be an exceptional one.Very good hand speed,good power,and decent timing with his uppercut,but he never demonstrated that he was capable of being an elite fighter.He was always a front runner with a crap chin and no fighting spirit or determination.
What happened to Judah in 2007 is what would have happened to Judah at any point in his career against a prime Miguel Cotto.It wasn't a case of him not being able to sustain his work or simply not being in good enough condition;it was a matter of him being broken down and picked apart by a superior fighter.
Judah is/was always more talented then Cotto I always thought a confident Zab who had the swagger could get a decision. then against Cotto always had that ring intelligent and was the better conditioned so he could have made adjustments in mid/late round and got a close decision.
close fight that I see going either way that I would slightly favor Cotto to win
no i am not saying that. judah would have been able to keep the pace up. and would have stopped cotto. look at zab today any one who pressures him after 4rds he has nothing left.
judah would have got cotto out of there 7rds
Cotto would always beat Judah.
Look at what you're saying, he wouldn't beat Judah who beat Mickey Ward? What, is Ward better than Cotto now all of a sudden? Only good fighter he fought around that time was Tszyu