It's one rule for US fighters, another for everybody else...

First off hopkins has to be rated higher then calzaghe because joe did not fight the best guys. Yes he was a win over hopkins, and yes he was a great talent. But do you mean to tell me that since joe has a win over him that automaticly makes him better? Who's better, ricardo mayorga or vernon forrest? Buster douglas or mike tyson Jermain taylor or hopkins The list could go on and on. And the states have a much deeper talent pool. For example, who did ricky hatton beat on his way up the rankings(fights in uk) only names I recall are tyzu. Now who did mayweather fight? The opponents on floyds list spanks hattons list (except for tyzu). I am not saying hatton was not good. Just that the States have a deeper talent pool which makes them the number 1 boxing country. I am not from the states, I'm just keeping it real Point well made. To answer 1.Yes Calzaghe is better than Hopkins as he beat him. And beat at a time when as I said before experience was as equal as possible for both. 2. Any list is subjective, even ones that goes on and on. Actual fight result are the best way to judge which fighter is better than another. But offcourse there are exceptions like the ones you pointed out, Joe and Bernard are not one of them. 3.What deeper talent pool? America is well represented at the moment in pro boxing but no.1? On what grounds can you make that statement? Number of world champions, NO. Olympic Medals, NO. Highest purses, highest promotional expenditure most arrogant fans, YES.

I really believe it's a promotional issue, and the people currently handling Bradley, He's not comfortable with the deal, fine, I bet he won't settle for a weak opponent in his next fight even if it isn't Khan.

Ok so with your logic then you have to admit that Amir Khan isn't better then Breidis Prescott because he lost to him. C'mon man, get your head out of your behind.[/QUOT I was commenting on the thread title. Do I think Hopkins first pro opponent is better because he beat him, no I don't but its the same logic. That isn't contradictory because the parity in experience between Hopkins and Calzaghe left no excuses but dumb and arrogant americans on this site still think Hopkins is better.Prescott beat Khan fair and square when neither were champions let alone veterans, if they fought again I would give Prescott every chance of doing it again. Some fighters just have another ones number,does that make them better yes it does. Oh and as far as your throw away comment on taking my head out my ass, well thats just another perfect example of ignorant dismissive arrogance from american's on this site. What is sad about that is you are to dumb to realize thats what you were doing. So thanks for endorsing my point and go **** yourself.

Hardly a massive difference.. Alexander was/is green/overhyped after knocking out Urango.. Peterson is really that good? Nate Campbell was a win to Bradley?? wasn't it stopped after 4 cause of a headbutt (i can't remeber exactly). Kendall Holt was probably the best win out of that list So your saying Maidana, Paulie, Kotelnik, McCloskey beat alexander, petersen, holt, abregu?

It is also telling that no one is offering any responses to your well made and accurate point. American fans on this site twist reality all the time to suit their beliefs, like Hopkins is better than Calzaghe somehow even though He lost to him. Or anyone with a good record from outside of the USA is hiding and or fighting bums apparently because they believe America is the only nation that matters in boxing. First off hopkins has to be rated higher then calzaghe because joe did not fight the best guys. Yes he was a win over hopkins, and yes he was a great talent. But do you mean to tell me that since joe has a win over him that automaticly makes him better? Who's better, ricardo mayorga or vernon forrest? Buster douglas or mike tyson Jermain taylor or hopkins The list could go on and on. And the states have a much deeper talent pool. For example, who did ricky hatton beat on his way up the rankings(fights in uk) only names I recall are tyzu. Now who did mayweather fight? The opponents on floyds list spanks hattons list (except for tyzu). I am not saying hatton was not good. Just that the States have a deeper talent pool which makes them the number 1 boxing country. I am not from the states, I'm just keeping it real

Bradley is not ducking Khan, he just wants to fight for TOP RANK.

Yep, pretty biased on NSB regarding Americans. Floyd demands Manny drug tests - most Yanks agree and scream for it Pascal demands it of Hopkins - a lot of wriggling and left to rest by most people Joe Calzaghe or any Euro fighter who doesnt want to travel to the declining American boxing market gets slaughtered, yet undefeated chumps like Floyd and Ward enjoy home cooking and dont knowhow to leave their neighbourhood but get limited flack and dont take the risks of going abroad to garner new fans and revenue. The list could go on......if they are Euro or Mexican they are bums without skills; face first fighters, if they are black and american then are the best thing since sliced bread until they get waxed by a Euro or Mexian bum and shown to have a glass heart or glass jaw.

bradley is just a massive tease and a moron,why call out khan so much to then change your mind with your promoter and sit out fighting him on july all of a sudden to just get out of your promoter contract early. Well,i guess we can wait till after july when bradley has a new contract and might fight then. I dont think he should get pac fight,i hope pac slays marquez and floyd gets brave or poor enough to take the fight finally. Bradley should have to beat khan and be 140 best before even being considered for a shot vs pacman.

Khan wanted the Maidana fight, but he wanted for the US to know who he was before fighting him. Maidana already had some level of notoriety because of the Ortiz fight, Khan needed the same thing. One fight in the US, then onto Maidana. Which he did.....and won, now wants to fight Bradley, Bradley p*ssies out Come on man that's bull. Everyone was calling for the fight. About as many people that know Khan in the US now is about the same amount that knew him before the Malignaggi fight. The Malignaggi fight was packed with Khan fans, not Malignaggi fans dude. Truth is they didn't want Khan to fight Maidana cause they thought he would get knocked out. They only took the fight when the WBA was going to step in to avoid a purse bid and losing out on what Khan is gauranteed per fight with Goldenboy.

Ok, so what were your feelings when Khan skipped over fighting Maidana when every fan was calling for that fight, only to go and fight Paulie? Then after that fight he was looking to fight someone else until Maidana wrote a letter to the WBA stating that Khan wouldn't fight him, thus making the WBA step in and say if the fight wasn't made then they would go to a purse bid? Khan wanted the Maidana fight, but he wanted for the US to know who he was before fighting him. Maidana already had some level of notoriety because of the Ortiz fight, Khan needed the same thing. One fight in the US, then onto Maidana. Which he did.....and won, now wants to fight Bradley, Bradley p*ssies out

Ok, so what were your feelings when Khan skipped over fighting Maidana when every fan was calling for that fight, only to go and fight Paulie? Then after that fight he was looking to fight someone else until Maidana wrote a letter to the WBA stating that Khan wouldn't fight him, thus making the WBA step in and say if the fight wasn't made then they would go to a purse bid?

It is also telling that no one is offering any responses to your well made and accurate point. American fans on this site twist reality all the time to suit their beliefs, like Hopkins is better than Calzaghe somehow even though He lost to him. Or anyone with a good record from outside of the USA is hiding and or fighting bums apparently because they believe America is the only nation that matters in boxing. Ok so with your logic then you have to admit that Amir Khan isn't better then Breidis Prescott because he lost to him. C'mon man, get your head out of your behind.

How many threads are you going to make on the same damn thing?

It is also telling that no one is offering any responses to your well made and accurate point. American fans on this site twist reality all the time to suit their beliefs, like Hopkins is better than Calzaghe somehow even though He lost to him. Or anyone with a good record from outside of the USA is hiding and or fighting bums apparently because they believe America is the only nation that matters in boxing. I agree It would absolutely ridiculous for me to say that the US, Las Vegas in particular, isnt the centre of where to see the best fights, with the most exposure and sales income. The US is where the money and potential notoriety/fame is at, no question. But its not asthough US fighters are all warriors and are a cut above everybody else from other nations like most Americans would have you believe The sad thing is is I find myself subconciously hating on young US fighters purely because theyre always hyped as the next great thing, almost invincible at times. But if its a Russian or British or Irish fighter, then obviously they lack skills or heart or have fought bums. Most of my favourite fighters are American, I'd imagine no one has a top 10 list of favourite fighters that doesnt have at least one American in, but that doesnt make the fans more knowledgable, intelligent or correct. Seems to make (some, not all) them arrogant, dismissive and stubborn. I'd just like to say this doesnt apply to all US fans, just the idiots

If the situation between Khan and Bradley was reversed, in that Khan was the one doing the ducking, everyone would be on him like a ton of bricks questioning his heart and balls. Bradley has fought the same level of opposition and its only because he nicked the belt from Alexander in a bore-fest thast he thinks hes the divisions no. 1. The fact that Khan WANTED the fight and was prepared the give up some of the UK PPV money (getting the Khans to hand out money is like getting blood from a stone) tells you how much he wanted it Bradley has offered nothing but poor reasons for not taking the fight, and what very very few fans he already had, he's lost even more after this debacle. If it was Khan doing the ducking, he'd get sh*t on by everybody, because its Bradley its somehow justifiable :bsflag: It is also telling that no one is offering any responses to your well made and accurate point. American fans on this site twist reality all the time to suit their beliefs, like Hopkins is better than Calzaghe somehow even though He lost to him. Or anyone with a good record from outside of the USA is hiding and or fighting bums apparently because they believe America is the only nation that matters in boxing.

If the situation between Khan and Bradley was reversed, in that Khan was the one doing the ducking, everyone would be on him like a ton of bricks questioning his heart and balls. Bradley has fought the same level of opposition and its only because he nicked the belt from Alexander in a bore-fest thast he thinks hes the divisions no. 1. The fact that Khan WANTED the fight and was prepared the give up some of the UK PPV money (getting the Khans to hand out money is like getting blood from a stone) tells you how much he wanted it Bradley has offered nothing but poor reasons for not taking the fight, and what very very few fans he already had, he's lost even more after this debacle. If it was Khan doing the ducking, he'd get sh*t on by everybody, because its Bradley its somehow justifiable :bsflag: Not in my eyes, Im an American through and through and currently in the US Army so my patriotism should not be questioned, but it is definately Timothy Bradley who is the bit*h on this one. After turning down 1.4 million plus 50/50 of british pay per view there is no doubt he wants nothing to do with Khan. Khan has some if not the quickest hands in boxing regardless of what haters think about his chin, which should be a no issue know after no going down one single time against maidania's crazy ass.