Karl Dargan: "Just got a call from Victor, his fighting Floyd next"

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you can easily discredit Ortiz in similiar fashion. and while the weight thing does take away from the Cotto win a bit, Cotto is still a damn good win. fact of the matter is both Hatton and Cotto are better wins than current day Ortiz, whos only good win is over Berto who arguably lost against Collazo anyway. If Ortiz goes on to do well, then maybe we can talk again. but as of yet hes basically just a guy that got KOed by Maidana and then beat Berto while getting almost knocked out. still a good fighter, and a very welcome challenge to Pacquiao or Mayweather. but saying he is already a better win than Cotto or Hatton is a huge stretch. I'd love to give credit to Pacman for the Hatton fight but after Mayweather ko'd him, he fought in his home country vs. Juan Lazcano and looked awful and benefited from some ref riggage to not be ko'd again. Hatton clearly done. Ortiz, on the other hand, while suffering a humiliating defeat vs Maidana came back and looked fantastic vs Berto. I know Berto isnt exactly a world beater but Ortiz looked great especially at 147. He is also young, very strong, has good power with both hands and is hungry. He also doesnt have anywhere near the wear and tear that guys like Cotto and Hatton had. So maybe straight quitting vs Maidana turned out to be a good decision after all. The point is that if this fight materializes it will be the first time in quite a while Mayweather or Pacquiao have fought a young, hungry, in their prime world class fighter. Debating Ortiz vs Cotto, or Hatton's credentials is meaningless since that isnt the issue. If Pacquiao fought Ortiz and it was announced Mayweather would be fighting Humberto Soto at 144 catchweight I'd be saying the exact same thing, except Pac would get praise and Mayweather would be the one getting ***tted on.

I definitely remember Roach saying that, which if it's true would be completely baffling because to my knowledge you begin to re-feed and rehydrate after the initial weigh in the day before. We could argue about this all day, imho that fight was one of the biggest scams in boxing history. You feel differently, and that's cool. Personally I don't think it takes a genius to see that the Pac camp knew Oscar wouldn't be able to fight at 147 ESPECIALLY since Roach trained Oscar. If you disagree with me then fair enough. The only problem with your logic is you seem to think that Pacquiao was the one dictating the terms in that fight. Oscar wanted the fight at 147, not Pacquiao. DLH made 150 in his prior fight so there was no indication he couldn't make 147 in his next fight. Case in point; he came in at 145. If you were struggling to make 147 would it make any sense to come in 2 pounds below possibly killing yourself? Him coming in at 145 meant it was no problem. People are just quick with the "dead man walking" hindsight cop out because they can't come to terms at how good Pacquiao was that night. He boxed, used angles, speed, and power to dominate the guy who was supposedly fighting a mismatch against a blown up lightweight.

you can easily discredit Ortiz in similiar fashion. and while the weight thing does take away from the Cotto win a bit, Cotto is still a damn good win. fact of the matter is both Hatton and Cotto are better wins than current day Ortiz, whos only good win is over Berto who arguably lost against Collazo anyway. If Ortiz goes on to do well, then maybe we can talk again. but as of yet hes basically just a guy that got KOed by Maidana and then beat Berto while getting almost knocked out. still a good fighter, and a very welcome challenge to Pacquiao or Mayweather. but saying he is already a better win than Cotto or Hatton is a huge stretch. Fair enough. I'll compromise and agree with Cotto, can't agree with Hatton, IMHO he was done after Mayweather.

Cotto at 145??? after getting destroyed by Margo and barely getting by Clottey?? and Hatton was out on his feet vs the Hispanic Causing Panic for ***** sakes! Pac hasn't fought a real fight since JMM 2. you can easily discredit Ortiz in similiar fashion. and while the weight thing does take away from the Cotto win a bit, Cotto is still a damn good win. fact of the matter is both Hatton and Cotto are better wins than current day Ortiz, whos only good win is over Berto who arguably lost against Collazo anyway. If Ortiz goes on to do well, then maybe we can talk again. but as of yet hes basically just a guy that got KOed by Maidana and then beat Berto while getting almost knocked out. still a good fighter, and a very welcome challenge to Pacquiao or Mayweather. but saying he is already a better win than Cotto or Hatton is a huge stretch.

Go find the video of Roach. I believe it was on the 24/7 for hatton where he said he saw the IV marks on DLH's arm and told Manny to jump on him because they re-hydrated him way too late. I definitely remember Roach saying that, which if it's true would be completely baffling because to my knowledge you begin to re-feed and rehydrate after the initial weigh in the day before. We could argue about this all day, imho that fight was one of the biggest scams in boxing history. You feel differently, and that's cool. Personally I don't think it takes a genius to see that the Pac camp knew Oscar wouldn't be able to fight at 147 ESPECIALLY since Roach trained Oscar. If you disagree with me then fair enough.

Yes because the size discrepancy from 154 to 147 is the same as 147 to 122 :dunce: haha thanks for the math lesson mad I hadn't even noticed that:)

Post the link for this when you're ready, thanks. Go find the video of Roach. I believe it was on the 24/7 for hatton where he said he saw the IV marks on DLH's arm and told Manny to jump on him because they re-hydrated him way too late.

So I was wrong, the last time Oscar had made the WW limit for a fight before Manny was against Gatti in 2001. So a 7 year difference. Are you guys good with Manny Making the 122 for his next fight which is what he fought at 7 years ago? Yes because the size discrepancy from 154 to 147 is the same as 147 to 122 :dunce:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVuMSrMtF0 1:14 of this video. Oscar hadn't made 147 in 10 f***ing years bro. Oscar was under 148 on fight night and Manny actually weighed more than him haha. I mean are u serious right now? The dude was a corpse and Roach knew he would be at 147, he says it in the damn video. Take the blinders of bro, Arum/Roach fooled a lot of people with that fight and clearly u were one of them. I was because Pacquiao was a lightweight at the least. De La Hoya made 150 for Forbes, and he beat Forbes. Show me the thread you picked Pacquiao to win.

So why was he a 3-1 favorite in the books? Everyone aside from Roach predicted Pacquiao's head to roll come fight night. Oscar wanted the fight at 147. He made Pacquiao come up 2 weight divisions, 12 pounds. He was coming down from 154 and fought Steve Forbes at 150 prior to this fight. Apparently though the Floyd fans here "knew" that Oscar was getting his ass handed to him when the Vegas bookies and every other expert didn't. Amazing. Save the BS hindsight logic. Pacquiao wasn't supposed to win that fight and he did, and impressively to boot. Oh and another thing, Oscar weighed in before re-hydrating on fight night hence the IV marks. He didn't go into that ring at 147, a simple eyeball test would have told you that. He was still the physically larger man in there. Post the link for this when you're ready, thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVuMSrMtF0 1:14 of this video. Oscar hadn't made 147 in 10 f***ing years bro. Oscar was under 148 on fight night and Manny actually weighed more than him haha. I mean are u serious right now? The dude was a corpse and Roach knew he would be at 147, he says it in the damn video. Take the blinders of bro, Arum/Roach fooled a lot of people with that fight and clearly u were one of them. So why was he a 3-1 favorite in the books? Everyone aside from Roach predicted Pacquiao's head to roll come fight night. Oscar wanted the fight at 147. He made Pacquiao come up 2 weight divisions, 12 pounds. He was coming down from 154 and fought Steve Forbes at 150 prior to this fight. Apparently though the Floyd fans here "knew" that Oscar was getting his ass handed to him when the Vegas bookies and every other expert didn't. Amazing. Save the BS hindsight logic. Pacquiao wasn't supposed to win that fight and he did, and impressively to boot. Oh and another thing, Oscar weighed in before re-hydrating on fight night hence the IV marks. He didn't go into that ring at 147, a simple eyeball test would have told you that. He was still the physically larger man in there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVuMSrMtF0 1:14 of this video. Oscar hadn't made 147 in 10 f***ing years bro. Oscar was under 148 on fight night and Manny actually weighed more than him haha. I mean are u serious right now? The dude was a corpse and Roach knew he would be at 147, he says it in the damn video. Take the blinders of bro, Arum/Roach fooled a lot of people with that fight and clearly u were one of them. So I was wrong, the last time Oscar had made the WW limit for a fight before Manny was against Gatti in 2001. So a 7 year difference. Are you guys good with Manny Making the 122 for his next fight which is what he fought at 7 years ago?

You do know that DLH was almost a 3-1 favorite going into that fight right? Hindsight is an easy cop out to those feeling the effects of amnesia prior to Pacquiao/DLH. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVuMSrMtF0 1:14 of this video. Oscar hadn't made 147 in 10 f***ing years bro. Oscar was under 148 on fight night and Manny actually weighed more than him haha. I mean are u serious right now? The dude was a corpse and Roach knew he would be at 147, he says it in the damn video. Take the blinders of bro, Arum/Roach fooled a lot of people with that fight and clearly u were one of them.

Look man we can argue a lot of things, but if you are going to sit here and tell me u think that the DE LA HOYA win was legit, then I'm sorry homie you just don't know boxing...I simply can't have a logical debate with you if that's part of your perspective/feeling. You do know that DLH was almost a 3-1 favorite going into that fight right? Hindsight is an easy cop out to those feeling the effects of amnesia prior to Pacquiao/DLH.

Look man we can argue a lot of things, but if you are going to sit here and tell me u think that the DE LA HOYA win was legit, then I'm sorry homie you just don't know boxing...I simply can't have a logical debate with you if that's part of your perspective/feeling. :lol1: How is that win not legit, he took THE RISK. 19 out of 20 so called expert writers pick De La Hoya to win. Dude came up from superfeatherweight/lightweight/welterweight in a year. REVISIONIST HISTORY.

I completely disagree. Winning at welterweight made Pacquiao who he is now. Beating De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley the way he did, makes him who he is now. No one, was saying Pacquiao was on 'roids when he beat the "Three Amigos", they're saying he's on 'roids because of what he's doing now. Ask any flyweight how easy it is to come up and win a welterweight title. Tell me how many former flyweights out there are beating legit former welterweight champions. Just listen to Floyd Snr. @ 12:40 Look man we can argue a lot of things, but if you are going to sit here and tell me u think that the DE LA HOYA win was legit, then I'm sorry homie you just don't know boxing...I simply can't have a logical debate with you if that's part of your perspective/feeling.

Cotto at 145??? after getting destroyed by Margo and barely getting by Clottey?? and Hatton was out on his feet vs the Hispanic Causing Panic for ***** sakes! Pac hasn't fought a real fight since JMM 2. Thanks God someone else can see that.

thats a bit silly, Pacquiao has fought Hatton and Cotto in his last 7 fights. Cotto at 145??? after getting destroyed by Margo and barely getting by Clottey?? and Hatton was out on his feet vs the Hispanic Causing Panic for ***** sakes! Pac hasn't fought a real fight since JMM 2.

Easy man, like I said I have the utmost respect for Manny and I have him ranked significantly higher all time than Floyd. His resume at this point is absolutely better than Floyd's. I like Manny as a person and as a fighter, but I do think that his team are absolute pieces of s**t and that Bob Arum is arguably the biggest scum bag in boxing history. If you disagree with any of that then we just have a difference in opinions. IMHO Manny's career was made under 140lbs, and his wins over Barrera, Morales, and Marquez were career defining victories that could certainly be considered better than anything on Floyd's resume. But if you want to sit here and tell me that his last 7 fights are legit then I'm sorry homie, Bob Arum has pulled the wool over your eyes. I completely disagree. Winning at welterweight made Pacquiao who he is now. Beating De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley the way he did, makes him who he is now. No one, was saying Pacquiao was on 'roids when he beat the "Three Amigos", they're saying he's on 'roids because of what he's doing now. Ask any flyweight how easy it is to come up and win a welterweight title. Tell me how many former flyweights out there are beating legit former welterweight champions. Just listen to Floyd Snr. @ 12:40 "It ain't never happen in history of boxing...when something never happens...if sumthin...if sumthin...somebody need to get in to put a check on it."