Pac's upper weight success = wing chun???

I want to see traditional martial artists to compete in boxing...

yeah, i wasnt sure how spell it. i usually take a class once a week. its traditional wing chun. my main style is choy li fut.:boxing: No worries. Choy Lif Fut is a great art! One of the art that Bruce Lee tried to learn a bit, it is fast like Wing Chun and great in short range! :) I am now doing tai chi for the last 15 years, no more JKD, and more peaceful :)

You are a practitioner and can't even spell the art right or just plain typo? I do a bit of the art through Jeet Kune Do and Kali/Arnis/Escrima and WING CHUN/VING TSUN is an inside/close-quarter-arms length hand trapping range. Not the "outside of the arm" as in a TAN SAU...but the inside, direct hitting/trapping range. yeah, i wasnt sure how spell it. i usually take a class once a week. its traditional wing chun. my main style is choy li fut.:boxing:

This is Master Wong, a Wing Chun proponent from UK for those people who aren't too familiar with this effective close-quarters fighting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3JG-yg35w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zki15AHThik&feature=relmfu http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x408tw_wing-chun_sport

nope, i do a little of wing chung and the goal is to get to the outside of your opponent, because you wont have to deal with his arms. you dont have to, you can fight on the inside all you want, but its about fighting on the outside. just wanted to comment on that=] You are a practitioner and can't even spell the art right or just plain typo? I do a bit of the art through Jeet Kune Do and Kali/Arnis/Escrima and WING CHUN/VING TSUN is an inside/close-quarter-arms length hand trapping range. Not the "outside of the arm" as in a TAN SAU...but the inside, direct hitting/trapping range.

nope, i do a little of wing chung and the goal is to get to the outside of your opponent, because you wont have to deal with his arms. you dont have to, you can fight on the inside all you want, but its about fighting on the outside. just wanted to comment on that=] In boxing terms inside means in close quarters. not inside or outside thr opponents center line.

Yeah wing chun punches dont carry alot of power but they keep you off balance and unable to mount an offensive. And the accumulation of punches eventually takes its toll. Jst like pacquiao went from having monster power to getting stoppages from accumulation. But as far as your sparring problems I may be able to help. Wing chun is generally most effective on the inside and they can only move in straight lines. So instead of trying to get inside ur buddy's kicks, stay on the outside. Use feints to draw the kick. When he does punch his leg. Rinse n repeat until he gets tired of kicking. Then u can jab n move as much as u want before he gets inside. nope, i do a little of wing chung and the goal is to get to the outside of your opponent, because you wont have to deal with his arms. you dont have to, you can fight on the inside all you want, but its about fighting on the outside. just wanted to comment on that=]

hahahaha..... that was hilarious..

you know what? i practice choy li fut and i have noticed how the hand fighting is similar to both jmm's and pac's fighting style. we do weaving and threading and throw many conbinations like jmmarquez and we throw many strikes in many wierd angles like pacquiao. this stuff is very interesting.:boxing:

Wing Chun is much more effective if you have these: http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00TBLtorOEOvzM/High-Grade-Butterfly-Sword-Wing-Chun-Sword.jpg

I do boxing, and having sparred with a friend who has done Wing Chun, Praying Mantis, boxing and Kung Fu, he kicked my ass in a MMA sparring contest. Now, my friend used his legs, which I don't, and I could not get in range because a leg is long. Secondly, he timed me with his feet, when I got close it would kick and push me back, and when off balance, he would throw about 20 punches Wing Chun style. It was very hard to defend against. The speed is very good, but it does lack power, although accurate because he used his body and arms as a centre line. What I will say is, when I attacked first, he would get a 1 and 2 often, but also he would counter me a lot. He tried teaching me how to block and punch thing, it was very hard to do, so they do have timing in their way with their stance. Yeah wing chun punches dont carry alot of power but they keep you off balance and unable to mount an offensive. And the accumulation of punches eventually takes its toll. Jst like pacquiao went from having monster power to getting stoppages from accumulation. But as far as your sparring problems I may be able to help. Wing chun is generally most effective on the inside and they can only move in straight lines. So instead of trying to get inside ur buddy's kicks, stay on the outside. Use feints to draw the kick. When he does punch his leg. Rinse n repeat until he gets tired of kicking. Then u can jab n move as much as u want before he gets inside.

You're right about a few things. He does have martial arts connections. Bruce Lee's last private student was Ted Wong - who was the instructor of Teri Tom - who is the dietician for Manny and works alongside Alex Ariza. This is her measuring his abs: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6623/sup4k.jpg There was a quote from MPBoxing that said they were working with the Bruce Lee site and Shannon Lee (his daughter) does mention Manny quite a few times on her blog. But in all honesty, the only martial arts he's probably learned is while filming Wapakman and all those corny Filipino action flicks. :lol1: What an odd coincidence that Teri Tom compared Manny to Bruce Lee in this new article: http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/315964/manny-pacquiaos-fighting-style-compared-bruce-lees MANILA, Philippines – Pound for pound champ Manny Pacquiao watched a lot of Bruce Lee movies growing up, which probably explains why their fighting style is quite similar. Teri Tom, a female martial arts instructor and member of Bruce Lee Foundation, noticed Pacquiao’s fighting skills to be akin to Bruce Lee when she watched him during his training in the US. She shared her observation about the champion fighter. “The way you throw your jabs and punches, sometimes it looks very much like Bruce Lee. Is that conscious? Very few people throw jab that way. When you’re a kid did you watch him?” Tom asked Pacquiao, as featured on “24 Oras,” April 27. Pacquiao immediately admitted, “Bruce Lee is my idol. All Bruce Lee’s movies I watched it. You know, the quickness, hands speed, foot work. That’s speed,” said the boxer, who is set to fight with Sugar Shane Mosley next month. A first generation student of Ted Wong, who studied martial arts under Bruce Lee, Tom shared her insights about Pacquiao’s fighting skills and a little about Bruce Lee. She noted Pacquiao’s fast jabs, which is called ‘snap.' “If you have a jab like that, obviously they’re gonna respect you. But if you don’t have much power behind that jab it’s gonna be a long day.” She’s glad to see Pacquiao unwittingly imbibing Jeet Kune Do’s right lead discipline. Jeet Kune Do is a martial arts system and life philosophy founded by world renowned martial artist Bruce Lee. “There’s a lot going on, it appears. There are people who studied Bruce Lee many, many decades and they can’t break it down, figure it out and Manny, he’s done it... I would assume without an instructor. Seems like he’s absorbed a lot of what he saw Bruce Lee doing. He put the strong, side and front,” Tom shared.

in all honesty, i box, have for years, and just recently took a couple of private wing chun lessons. the instructor was explaining the parallels between boxing and wing chun and now that you mention it i will be looking, trying to find them myself. Thanks! Take the short cut like Manny did just weight drain your opponents , forget all the chop suey bullsh!t just handicap your foe works every time .

my boy has been practicing wing tsun for years...he told me that if you were goingt o be fighting in a small area(bedroom, elevator, ring etc) that this would be the best martial art to have in your background

WAs this you and your friend? hehehhe (kidding) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyaYn7V8grE That's Emin Boztepe, a Turkish Wing Chun proponent....he is paired with Tacosa of Kali/Escrima (Filipino) yep that was they key to his sucess Pretty much...watch this clip!

Also Wing Chun is very square on, which allows either hand to start. I can see the straight right and Manny being square at times. However he is comfortable in bocing now, and probably has learnt it. Much of what is being taught of what is "traditional" WC is that way but really fighting has no form and so the masters don't really fight like that, it is just that it is taken too literally. Thus Bruce Lee's liberation from Wing Chun despite having Wing Chun as his base is priceless.

I do boxing, and having sparred with a friend who has done Wing Chun, Praying Mantis, boxing and Kung Fu, he kicked my ass in a MMA sparring contest. Now, my friend used his legs, which I don't, and I could not get in range because a leg is long. Secondly, he timed me with his feet, when I got close it would kick and push me back, and when off balance, he would throw about 20 punches Wing Chun style. It was very hard to defend against. The speed is very good, but it does lack power, although accurate because he used his body and arms as a centre line. What I will say is, when I attacked first, he would get a 1 and 2 often, but also he would counter me a lot. He tried teaching me how to block and punch thing, it was very hard to do, so they do have timing in their way with their stance. WAs this you and your friend? hehehhe (kidding) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyaYn7V8grE That's Emin Boztepe, a Turkish Wing Chun proponent....he is paired with Tacosa of Kali/Escrima (Filipino)

wing chun is the foundation of bruce lee's style, the "intercepting fist" it actally makes up the majority of the style Yes, his early "style" was that strictly of Yip Man Wing Chun...but his art of intercepting the fist (which he detested that label) Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is HIS amalgamation of his studies that fit him (only)...he has taken the best of these arts to what fits him: • Fencing • Western Boxing (he loves Muhammad Ali) • Choy Li Fut • Jujitsu, Karate, Aikido and the current Jeet Kune Do now has liberated martial arts because of Guro Dan Inosanto with: • Filipino Martial Arts of (Kali-Arnis-Escrima) • Penjak Silat - (Filipino - Malaysian - Indonesian) and instituted his own MaPhilIndo • Muay Thai - Krabi Krabong • Brazilian Jujitsu • Savate - French So yes, Wing Chun WAS his art but later shed that to learn from others also....

Wing Chun has been riding on the balls of Bruce Lee for so long now. Bruce moved on from Wing Chun because it was so limited and yet Wing Chun practitioners have been using his popularity and living off his success ever since he died. Please don't do the same with Manny Pacquiao. wing chun is the foundation of bruce lee's style, the "intercepting fist" it actally makes up the majority of the style

Wing Chun has been riding on the balls of Bruce Lee for so long now. Bruce moved on from Wing Chun because it was so limited and yet Wing Chun practitioners have been using his popularity and living off his success ever since he died. Please don't do the same with Manny Pacquiao. You MAY have the wrong choice of words....WING CHUN has been there for a long time from Princess Wing Chun who took it from the Shaolin. And so Bruce Lee's fame is what you probably meant in using Bruce Lee? Wing Chun can stand alone without Bruce Lee though you're right that it was too limiting for Bruce Lee and thus he went further to research many arts from fencing, to jujitsu, to modern boxing...and etc.